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 Posted - 09/09/2007 : 12:24:11
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c140cessna:
Why doesn't the Ryedale machine pick up the wheats the first time through? Is it because the wheats are more worn, thereby weighing less? If that is the case, do you think you miss a lot of copper pennies? Do you always run your pennies through a second time? Do you re-calibrate the machine in order to find the wheats?
I have been hand-sorting, which is extremely time-consuming--however, I was very happy to find my two-tailed penny! Also, I just started sorting nickels and found an 1869 Liberty nickel!
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MormonMetal
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Posted - 09/09/2007 : 13:11:09
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9-8-07
$40.00
516 copper
3 wheats (41, 51-Dx2)
1 Canada (1995)
12.90% copper
A slightly lower average than normal, but I was glad I didn't get $40 in 07's. As always,
-More than I had before.
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 09/09/2007 : 23:47:17
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Originally posted by PennyLane
Why doesn't the Ryedale machine pick up the wheats the first time through? Is it because the wheats are more worn, thereby weighing less? If that is the case, do you think you miss a lot of copper pennies? Do you always run your pennies through a second time? Do you re-calibrate the machine in order to find the wheats?
The machine captures most wheat pennies on the first pass, but wheat cents 1940 and older seem to contain just enough tin in their composition to be rejected when compared to a normal copper penny. Both c140cessna and I rerun the zinc reject pile against a normal zinc penny to capture these older wheat cents and those darn dimes. The yield on the this second pass is pretty low, and you probably wouldn't do it if you were only after copper, but the machine sorts them really fast (18,000 coins per hour) and it is just so cool seeing all those wheat cents from the 20's and 30's pop out. Besides, this makes your weekly penny pile, be it 40 boxes or 100 boxes, last a little longer.
Nothing wrong with hand sorting. Most of us started out that way and either through laziness, greed, or just the desire to sort a lot more coins we decided to automate. The big advantage to hand sorting is that a few boxes of pennies last you a lot longer. You aren't faced with the problems of trying to source 100 boxes of pennies per week, and then trying to dispose of $2,000 in zinc rejects.
If your percentages are low.. just sort more.
"Preserving REAL coinage.. 2 tons at a time... and FAKE coinage.. a quarter ton at a time.. just for speculation"
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HCBTT: Thanks for the info. A Ryedale machine sounds pretty good, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to spring for one yet.
** Re: my Liberty Head nickel...it's 1896, not 1869 ! **
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 09/10/2007 : 00:35:42
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I have been very happy with my Ryedale machine.. I couldn't do the volume I do without it. He does make a budget level machine for around $300. You don't have to do much volume to justify getting one of those.
Yeah, it would have to be a Shield nickel to be an 1869. Congrats on the find. I have never found a Liberty nickel in my nickel sorts, but have found a handfull of Buffalos. I sort a lot more pennies than I do nickels. Oldest penny so far is an 1865 Indian cent.
If your percentages are low.. just sort more.
"Preserving REAL coinage.. 2 tons at a time... and FAKE coinage.. a quarter ton at a time.. just for speculation"
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 09/10/2007 : 02:12:52
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Sorting Report for today:
9 Boxes Bank wrapped pennies
4795 Copper
No Darn Dimes - What's up with that? I was getting used to all those bonus dimes.
21.31%
-A few more than I had before
If your percentages are low.. just sort more.
"Preserving REAL coinage.. 2 tons at a time... and FAKE coinage.. a quarter ton at a time.. just for speculation"
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c140cessna
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Posted - 09/10/2007 : 11:49:05
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Originally posted by PennyLane
HCBTT: Thanks for the info. A Ryedale machine sounds pretty good, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to spring for one yet.
PennyLane,
HCBTT gave a great answer regarding the Ryedale machine and Wheats. When running in the "Copper Keep" mode, it keeps all pre-82 Coppers and will catch MOST of the Wheats that were made roughly post-40's....but the machine is so sensitive, that some of the older Wheats that had a little extra Tin in the metal.....do not quite make the grade as a Copper....and end up being rejected as a "Not Copper" along with the Zincs.
The technique is to then re-run the Zincs using a "Zinc Keep" mode on high sensitivity. Only the really pure zincs will be kept (and everything else, including the old wheats) will be rejected. This creates a "concentrate" of very interesting old wheats.
This is the very exciting reward of re-sorting the zincs...you get all the old 1910's ...20's and 30's Wheats....I also got my first Indian Head and many 1943 Steels this way! It is amazing what all is still out there in circulation.
I was talking to Ryedale the other day and he said he may have a super deal on a $299 machine....by using some reconditioned parts.
Happy Hoarding!.....I should top 2 tons of Copper this week!!!
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centsless
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Posted - 09/10/2007 : 17:41:54
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had a great percentage today although i got only $5 worth of pennies, people are emptying all those old water jugs: perhaps because of this item on the news tonight- 1 in every 56 homes in Maine is in some stage of forclosure proceedings, and that is alittle better than the national average.
10 rolls all hand wrapped
175 copper for 35% ,no wheats
20 82's
4 canadian copper
not quite "vein" status but close.
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 09/10/2007 : 19:10:32
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Originally posted by Frugi
One BRINKS box of cents from USBANK
Sealed box with plastic machine wrapped rolls
2500 Lincoln Cents
2499 Zinc
0001 Copper
These were all mixed dates 1982 & later. All the 1982's were zinc. Some were brown, some red, all mixed conditions. The fed must be hoarding too.
Now I know where my dump bank is sending them.  Darn, missed one..  Gotta stop sortin' in my sleep.
If your percentages are low.. just sort more.
"Preserving REAL coinage.. 2 tons at a time... and FAKE coinage.. a quarter ton at a time.. just for speculation"
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 01:28:40
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Buying Report for today:
Wells Fargo - Pinole
1 Box nickels
1 Box pennies
Sorting Report for today:
1 Bank wrapped box pennies
552 Copper
No Darn Dimes again!
22.08%
If your percentages are low.. just sort more.
"Preserving REAL coinage.. 2 tons at a time... and FAKE coinage.. a quarter ton at a time.. just for speculation"
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c140cessna
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 17:01:02
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Originally posted by Frugi
One BRINKS box of cents from USBANK
Sealed box with plastic machine wrapped rolls
2500 Lincoln Cents
2499 Zinc
0001 Copper
These were all mixed dates 1982 & later. All the 1982's were zinc. Some were brown, some red, all mixed conditions. The fed must be hoarding too.
That has got to be a result of someone hoarding and dumping zincs. I have yet to run into anything here that is nearly 100% old mixed zincs. Where you hoarding Frugi....out in MO somewhere...know of any one on the forum near you???
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Frugi
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Posted - 09/12/2007 : 23:43:37
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Originally posted by c140cessna
quote:
Originally posted by Frugi
One BRINKS box of cents from USBANK
Sealed box with plastic machine wrapped rolls
2500 Lincoln Cents
2499 Zinc
0001 Copper
These were all mixed dates 1982 & later. All the 1982's were zinc. Some were brown, some red, all mixed conditions. The fed must be hoarding too.
That has got to be a result of someone hoarding and dumping zincs. I have yet to run into anything here that is nearly 100% old mixed zincs. Where you hoarding Frugi....out in MO somewhere...know of any one on the forum near you???
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 09/13/2007 : 06:42:26
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I'm in the K.C. area. I doubt my zincs make it that far. I'm not big time enough to effect my local banks let alone St. Louis. All though this week has been a tough buying week. I keep hearing that they have none to sell. I was told by a teller at MY bank that they couldn't get into the vault because the vault teller wasn't there. I have never been told that before. I was offered her pennies at her station. She had $4.50. Not quite enough. I guess I'm going to have to break down and have them order me some.
Deal
p.s. Any other K.C. area hoarders?
I'm so sick over pennies....I frequently trade a dime or two for the whole "take-a-penny" container if sufficient coppers exist. That will get you some odd looks. |
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horgad
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Posted - 09/13/2007 : 07:19:42
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"was told by a teller at MY bank that they couldn't get into the vault because the vault teller wasn't there."
I'd bet that somebody had the keys to the vault. It was probably just inconvenient to get them. When my vault teller is AWOL usually the manager is holding the keys. This can slow things down because the manager is alot of times in her office talking to someone or on the phone.
Once before the manager knew me by sight, I went up to a teller and asked for my pennies. The teller said the manager had the vault keys and asked if I could ask for them. So I waited outside the manager's office until she was done talking to someone and then told her "I need in the vault." or something like that. She about freaked, her eyes got really wide, she turned pale, and her mouth was hanging open. Luckily, the teller figured out what was happening and yelled to her that it was OK.
I guess they are a little sensitive about strangers asking to get in the vault But you think the teller would have figured that out before she asked me to go get the manager. |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 09/13/2007 : 12:07:32
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Great story horgad! If I told the manager I needed to get in the vault they would say.. "Nope, no room for you in the vault, you're too big and the vault is full of pennies some guy ordered."
If your percentages are low.. just sort more.
"Preserving REAL coinage.. 2 tons at a time... and FAKE coinage.. a quarter ton at a time.. just for speculation"
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snappy
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 09/13/2007 : 15:24:08
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| went to bank yesterday to get my weekly pennies they did not order me any!!! They had a bag of dimes and one of nickles and thought I would not want pennies because of the other 2 bags. I told them I would like some pennies each week. I did get 2 silver dimes 63, 63d and 15 (1940's) 25 (1950's) nickles |
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MormonMetal
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Posted - 09/13/2007 : 17:26:03
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9-10-07
$23.50
328 copper
4 wheats (41, 57-Dx2, 58-D)
1 Bermuda (2005)
1 Canada (1988)
1 England (unreadable)
13.96 percent copper
9-11-07
$86.50
1871 copper
21 wheats (17-D, 41x2, 42x2, 44x2, 46, 46-Sx2, 50-S,
51-Dx2, 55, 56-Dx2 57-D, 58-Dx4)
6 Canada (63, 77, 79, 84, 94, 99)
21.63 percent copper
The 9-11-07 batch is the best group of cents I believe I've ever gotten. I've decided that I will no longer deal with massive amounts of 07's. Now whenever I ask for cents I ask for only circulated ones. From time to time this will take some explaining to the teller what "circulated" means. Sometimes it's a hassle only getting $1.50 from a bank, but I'd much rather deal with less than have to unroll and feed $40 worth of 07's into a credit unions coin counter. I had to go to 5 banks on Tuesday just to get my $86.50, but it was worth it. As always,
-More than I had before.
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 09/13/2007 : 18:14:40
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Originally posted by MormonMetal
The 9-11-07 batch is the best group of cents I believe I've ever gotten. I've decided that I will no longer deal with massive amounts of 07's. Now whenever I ask for cents I ask for only circulated ones. From time to time this will take some explaining to the teller what "circulated" means. Sometimes it's a hassle only getting $1.50 from a bank, but I'd much rather deal with less than have to unroll and feed $40 worth of 07's into a credit unions coin counter. I had to go to 5 banks on Tuesday just to get my $86.50, but it was worth it.
Sounds like a good approach. Wish I could explain it to my banks, but when you preorder 24 boxes at a time you have to take whatever they get or they will stop ordering for you. The other day I was turning in 4 boxes of 2007's from a double shipment of 48 boxes I got at another bank that were all 2007 (my worst skunk ever).. the bank asked "What's wrong with them?" I said "They're shiny!" I thought about your problems with 2007 pennies when I first started opening that batch. Worse, I had already preordered another 24 boxes from the same bank for the following week. These were a little better.. only 15 boxes out of the 24 were 2007 by the time I got all the rolls sorted out.
That 9/11 batch looked pretty good.. especially all those wheats.
If your percentages are low.. just sort more.
"Preserving REAL coinage.. 2 tons at a time... and FAKE coinage.. a quarter ton at a time.. just for speculation"
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Posted - 09/13/2007 : 19:59:32
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60 Rolls
2158 Copper
5 Wheat
2 Canadian
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 09/13/2007 : 21:33:34
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Originally posted by pre-82
60 Rolls
2158 Copper
5 Wheat
2 Canadian
71.93% !!!!!!
You've hit a main vein! ~~~ Go back and get more of these sweet rolls.
If your percentages are low.. just sort more.
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Posted - 09/14/2007 : 07:59:30
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Yeah my first 40 rolls had a yield of 1300
The second 60 rolls 2158
I was told that someones grandfather had past away and left his granddaughter buckets and buckets of change.
As for the cents there are 800 rolls and the quarters, dimes and half dollars are just starting to come in.
Tried doing a spot check for any silver but no luck so far.
Wouldnt it be nice to get a roll of silver quarters or halves for face value !
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Frugi
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Posted - 09/14/2007 : 15:01:47
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Originally posted by NotABigDeal
I'm in the K.C. area. I doubt my zincs make it that far. I'm not big time enough to effect my local banks let alone St. Louis. All though this week has been a tough buying week. I keep hearing that they have none to sell. I was told by a teller at MY bank that they couldn't get into the vault because the vault teller wasn't there. I have never been told that before. I was offered her pennies at her station. She had $4.50. Not quite enough. I guess I'm going to have to break down and have them order me some.
Deal
p.s. Any other K.C. area hoarders?
I'm so sick over pennies....I frequently trade a dime or two for the whole "take-a-penny" container if sufficient coppers exist. That will get you some odd looks.
I asked the teller today where they get their cent boxes from.
K.C. was the reply. Then the teller asked "Why do you care?"
I gave my routine explanation in about one minute and get a response of "cool" from the two ladies, one of the guy tellers acted all educated and said "We live in a capitalist society and everybody wants to make money, just because it's easy doesn't make it right." I told him that it is hard to resist keeping 2 pennies that together are worth about a nickel. He shrugged and said, "I don't care and would never intentionally hoard pennies and it is unpatriotic to "take advantage" of our country at a time when it is caught up in a war fighting for our freedoms."
WOW!! what a loser.
I asked him if he was an Iraqi, he replied, "No! But you must be a terrorist. At this point I noticed his manager 6 inches from his back and told him to have a nice day. He said sarcastically "enjoy your pennies". I probably won't see him anymore.
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Hi folks. I've been lurking and learning for a few weeks.
I use to sort as a teenager in the seventies, looking for wheats. I have quite a few as a result, but I was to lazy to turn in what I culled out most of the time, so I have ended up with alot of copper thats been sitting around the house for a long time. I don't want to work out the return on investment as opposed to having redeposited them in the early 70's. Been doing copper sorting for few months now and I don't record my exact counts, but have been running about 21-24 percent. I hand sort a couple boxes a week and sort them out by year and mint from old habit. In doing so I have pulled out 20 1998-2000 cents where the a is seperated in america. They are trading for 2-10 bucks on e-bay. |
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centsless
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Posted - 09/14/2007 : 18:10:52
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i hit another qualified vein today, first one since april:
20 rolls all bankwrapped
735 coppers for 73.5 % including 10 wheats
50 1982's
no canadian
I knew as soon as i opened the first roll. This vein was socked away by 1991 as there were several beautiful examples of pennies up until that year and none after that. Many of the copper ones were nicely uncirculated also. the amazing thing about this stash, too, was that it was assembled out west as the vast majority of the pennies were from denver or san fran,and there were no canadian. In $10 worth of pennies from Maine one would expect to find a few from north of the border. i dont understand how pennies like these probably from phoenix or Washington state or anywhere west of the mississippi would end up in southern maine. the rolls all were crimped at the ends like a bank wrapped roll but very loosely, not done by a machine. |
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