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ME CO
Penny Pincher Member
USA
199 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2007 : 18:07:40
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| Herbonzig, I wish my boxes from US Bank were that good- been getting just over 500 in a box. My hand sorting method is one roll at a time dumped into ME gold pan then I grab about 1/3 in my right hand and flip and look with my left. 82's get stacked by my digital scale and wheaties go in their own pile. Not the fastest but I have to ration since I really upset me to the point of seeing yellowed off my closest branch- no reason for me to need pennies with a drywall company so they cut me off- I did hit them up 4 boxes in a week and called a few days later wanting 2 more. Can't say I blame them since I didn't go to the trouble of talking with them and ordering any. Mark |
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TenBears
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1021 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2007 : 19:58:35
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Hirbonzig:
I open five rolls at a time. I pick up about 15 pennies in my right hand, and with my left thumb start sliding them off the hand held stack while checking dates. The zincs stay in the left hand and the coppers go into a pile. Then when that short stack is done, the left hand dumps the zincs in a penny box and the right picks up another short stack. Wheat gets a separate stack, and all the 82s are kept. I don't have a scale to weigh them, and someone told me the zinc small dates might be worth some numismatic value. So, I keep them all. My way is not efficient, however, as it takes me a good 2 to 2 1/2 hours to get through a box. Dirty pennies where I can't make out the date (and on which I can't fingernail scratch to the date), and that don't have wheat on the back, go in with the zincs. I probably miss the odd copper doing that, but it is not worth the time to clean them.
Afternoon box:
6 wheat
1 copper canuck
68 82s
462 coppers (18.48%)
Add in the wheat, the canuck and 75% of the 82s yields 20.8%. |
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MormonMetal
Penny Pincher Member
USA
150 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2007 : 20:56:56
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7-14-07
$10.00
159 copper
1 canadian
840 zinc
15.9 % - not too bad
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Hirbonzig
Penny Collector Member
USA
451 Posts |
 Posted - 07/14/2007 : 22:18:25
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| ME CO, I can't complain about US Bank. So far I have been getting the upper 20's mostly to a nice mid 30's percentage once. It is the same bank that when I was sorting nickels I would get a silver nickel about every 50 rolls. It might be that there are no ryedales in town that I know of. But I will mine this vein untill it runs out. |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
Administrator
USA
6807 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2007 : 02:34:51
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Originally posted by Hirbonzig
To all the hand sorters, what is your method of sorting? I have tried a few different ways and found that holding a stacked opened roll in my left hand and picking them off one by one with my right hand works best for me. I used to sort by opening all the rolls at once into a pile and sort by flicking the zincs off a table and into a bucket. If anyone has a different method I'd like to try it out.
Former hand sorter here. I used to be a fairly serious hand sorter until I realized that I could never keep up with my 40 box a week habit that way. The way that worked best for me was using a digital scale. I have a higher end scale with a fast settlement rate. I pour a roll of pennies in one hand and then drop 1, 2, 3 or 4 pennies at a time onto the scale. Since most rolls have about 80% zinc you know right away if you dropped a copper in the stack if it is not a multiple of 2.5 grams. A lot of times you can pretty much guess before the weight comes up just by looking at the color of the pennies. With my other hand I kick them to the left or right depending on if they are zinc or copper. When the piles get big I slide them off the table into their bins. I was able to do a box in about an hour with this method, a little longer if I was doing it at a more leisurely pace.
"Preserving coinage.. 2 tons at a time"
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Hirbonzig
Penny Collector Member
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2007 : 10:31:49
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Texcattlerancher and I have similar methods of hand sorting and I agree with him that it dose take a long time to sort by hand. I take anywhere from 2 to 4 hours a box, partly due to a 3 year old that wants to help(mix up the piles), and watching sportscenter at the same time.
I did try an odd way of sorting last night.
I had an old vibrating football game where the players would be lined-up and the metal field would vibrate the players for yardage.
I dumped a mix of copper and zincs on the field and turned on the game. My thinking was that the lighter zincs would vibrate off the field quicker than the heavier coppers.
It did'nt work plus it was alot louder than I expected.
I'll stick to hand sorting untill I can get a ryedale. Any used ryedales out there? |
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Cerulean
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
993 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2007 : 12:26:23
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Four rolls from various banks:
142 zincs (1982-2007)
55 coppers (1959-1982)
2 wheats (1953-1957)
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199 pennies
55 / 199 = 27.6%
RUNNING TOTAL
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3075 zincs (1982-2007) 75.7%
957 coppers (1959-1982) 24.0%
23 wheats (1920-1958)
6 Canadian (1968-1995)
1 dime (2004)
Wanna take money away from the Fed? Spend dollar coins! |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
Administrator
USA
6807 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2007 : 12:50:57
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Originally posted by Hirbonzig
Texcattlerancher and I have similar methods of hand sorting and I agree with him that it dose take a long time to sort by hand. I take anywhere from 2 to 4 hours a box, partly due to a 3 year old that wants to help(mix up the piles), and watching sportscenter at the same time.
I did try an odd way of sorting last night.
I had an old vibrating football game where the players would be lined-up and the metal field would vibrate the players for yardage.
I dumped a mix of copper and zincs on the field and turned on the game. My thinking was that the lighter zincs would vibrate off the field quicker than the heavier coppers.
It did'nt work plus it was alot louder than I expected.
I'll stick to hand sorting untill I can get a ryedale. Any used ryedales out there?
I have a kitten that wants to help. She reaches her paw into the bin and drags the pennies out. Then she grabs them in her mouth and runs and drops them all over the house. And of course I get in trouble for it. She is just trying to help.
Good that you try experimenting. You may discover some method nobody has thought of yet. I still maintain it is faster to do it with the digital scale than by eyeballing each cent. You don't have to orient the coin or read the date and you can do more than one at a time.
I don't think you are ever going to find any used Ryedales out there. Every one of us that has one Loves the machine and would never give it up! He has just recently come out with a budget version of the machine though. It has pretty much everything except the pretty red sheet metal and the counters. The other thing it doesn't have is variable speed on the hopper or the nickel chute, but these are offered at an additional price if you think you need them. To do just pennies you really don't need them. Andy has really made an effort to bring the machine in at a very reasonable price so more guys can get one and sort at a high level. I think he even offers an upgrade option if you decide later you want to have the Cadillac machine. Price on the new unit is only $299. The machine should pay for itself in about a day. You rarely get a payback on capital equipment that fast, it usually takes years.
"Preserving coinage.. 2 tons at a time"
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ME CO
Penny Pincher Member
USA
199 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2007 : 21:37:24
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Well I rationed the 2nd box as much as I could- easy really as it wasn't spectacular at first. No wheaties showed till after the 25th roll when I got 1 and a Bahamas cent. Then about roll 30 I got 4 rolls in a row with a wheatie then a bad one then another wheatie. Overall count was 505 coppers including 8 wheaties for a 20.2%.
Now I'm out again but tomarrow I pick up my first box of halves to search and see ifn there is any silver runnin in my area. Better pick up another box of pennies while I'm at it. Mark |
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Hirbonzig
Penny Collector Member
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 21:22:37
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1 box--US BANK
708 copper 28.32%
47 '82's 1.88%
9 wheats |
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centsless
Penny Pincher Member
119 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 17:56:18
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20 rolls bankwrapped
281 copper for 28.1%
10 82s
6 canadian
7 wheat including a 1956 in au |
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TenBears
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1021 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2007 : 19:11:39
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Nearly got skunked today. Bought a box from Bank of America, and it had $20.50 in nice new shiny 2007s. Luckily the box had 9 rolls with some tarnish and got 79 coppers out of that for a little better than 17% of the rolls I sorted. Total percentage for the box, however, was an abysmal 3%.
Because most of the box was "spoiled", I cashed it in and got a new box from Wells Fargo. 64 82s, 1 copper Canadian, 5 wheat, and 472 coppers (18.8%). Total copper yield was a little more than 20% if counting half of the 82s. |
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ME CO
Penny Pincher Member
USA
199 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 07:33:20
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| I guess I'm on a sabatical from pennies. Went through a box of halves Tuesday- got (2)64's,69,68,(2)65's and a silver bicentenial. Ordered another box yesterday and have no $$$ left for pennies- time to work in some returnin. Mark |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
Administrator
USA
6807 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 11:48:15
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Sorting report for yesterday:
2 Bank wrapped boxes of pennies
1135 Copper
22.7%
I gotta get me some halves so I can maybe hit a silver vein.
"Preserving coinage.. 2 tons at a time"
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ME CO
Penny Pincher Member
USA
199 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 13:43:54
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| Its still fun and I find the dates on the halves much easier on the eyes haha. The investment is huge for me though (no more than 40 boxes of pennies a week though LOL) and I just got hit with a dilema- since the second box is about to break me toilet paper wise I hit the CU to turn in $60 in dimes and topped off the jar with halfs. Their coin counter doesn't do halves- the teller took the $16 worth that I had but I doubt they would be so nice when looking at $500-1000. Now I got to figure out another dump bank for halfs. Mark |
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c140cessna
Penny Collector Member
USA
419 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2007 : 01:22:28
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Weekly Report: S.E. Michigan
$510 FV ($160 Customer Rolls, $350 Bank Boxes).
Of the $350 (12 boxes) in Bank Boxes, 3 were Mint 2007D.
Sorting Percentages:
31.0% Excluding the 3 Mint 2007D Boxes.
26.5% Including the 3 Mint 2007D Boxes.
Added 90 more pounds to the copper hoard.
2,055,000 coins processed through my Ryedale sorting machine.
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HoardCopperByTheTon
Administrator
USA
6807 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2007 : 03:39:17
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Kind of a slow penny day for me today. Sometimes I actually have to work at the real job and don't have much time to play with my pennies. Only managed to get 12 bags of zinc bagged up and 20 rolls of pennies sorted tonight.
Sorting Report for today:
20 Rolls customer wrapped pennies
273 Copper
27.3%
"Preserving coinage.. 2 tons at a time"
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Hirbonzig
Penny Collector Member
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2007 : 07:32:03
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4 Boxes:
3126 copper 31.26%
373 1982's 3.73%
39 wheats oldest was 1920
17 canadian, 6 were copper
Some very nice rolls in these boxes |
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centsless
Penny Pincher Member
119 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2007 : 17:40:47
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got 20 bank-wrapped rolls today with a great return:
410 copper, with 4 wheats including a 1938 for 41.0%
12 1982's
7 canadian
this is way above my average and is another confirmation that people are "cashing in the hoard". to find them in bank-wrapped rolls was truely amazing
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centsless
Penny Pincher Member
119 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2007 : 18:51:46
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hold the phone.. i just found 3 rolls that i had absent mindedly put aside. the above numbers were for only 17 rolls. i got 99 more coppers so the incredible totals are as follows
509 coppers for 50.9%
14 1982's
7 canadian.
i am a novice at this and need a tutorial. could somebody explain to me how such a high number of coppers were in bank wrapped rolls? where would these rolls have been wrapped? i know they are called bank-wrapped rolls but does the bank itself wrap them or does brinks? |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
Administrator
USA
6807 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2007 : 22:21:26
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Originally posted by centsless
hold the phone.. i just found 3 rolls that i had absent mindedly put aside. the above numbers were for only 17 rolls. i got 99 more coppers so the incredible totals are as follows
509 coppers for 50.9%
14 1982's
7 canadian.
i am a novice at this and need a tutorial. could somebody explain to me how such a high number of coppers were in bank wrapped rolls? where would these rolls have been wrapped? i know they are called bank-wrapped rolls but does the bank itself wrap them or does brinks?
That is a great percentage! I think the way you got such a great percentage is that somebody turned in some older rolls at their branch. They were then shipped from the branch to a central coin processing facility where they were cracked out of the customer rolls and then thrown in a bin and rerolled nice and fresh to ship out to your branch where you picked them up. On the rolls it could be either the armored car company or the bank's central vault that rolls them. It depends on if they use a coin service or ship coin back and forth between their central coin vault and their branches. You could probably ask your friendly bank teller where they get their wrapped coin from and tell. I think Brinks generally wraps their coin in the clear plastic wraps we call coin condoms. Other rolling services might use similar machines. I think Dunbar uses paper rolls with their name on them. Some banks will use paper with their name on it, but most banks and coin services wrap in generic plain brown or white paper. How were your rolls wrapped?
"Preserving coinage.. 2 tons at a time"
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HoardCopperByTheTon
Administrator
USA
6807 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2007 : 23:47:41
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I have to admit to a little bit of envy when I see all these 30 and 50% numbers being posted but I get a vicarious thrill out of seeing my fellow hoarders having such great runs. I am lucky if I ever break 25%. Now I kind of know how those guys in Georgia feel. Tonight's sort was pretty typical for my area of Northern CA.
Started off kind of bad today when my bank didn't get my penny order for 24 boxes in. They missed the coin ordering window from the main branch so I won't get them until Tuesday's delivery. Fortunately I have a few boxes squirreled away so I won't be completely dry and go through withdrawals. They are completely out of pennies because they missed the order time so I am going to be a nice guy and bring them 4 or 5 boxes of rolled zinc tomorrow to tide them over. They have treated me pretty well at this bank so I don't mind helping them out. Never hurts to have some goodwill socked away.
Sorting Report for today:
130 Rolls of pennies
1501 Copper
7 US dimes
23.09%
"Preserving coinage.. 2 tons at a time"
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centsless
Penny Pincher Member
119 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2007 : 05:09:27
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| well dont feel too envious because 50% is an anomoly for me. i am definately going back to that branch today and getting 20 more rolls to see if the trend continues. Although there were no pennies that were magnificently uncirculated, quite a few fom the 60's and 70's had some mint luster on them. looks like somebody died and the children said "Lets cash in that huge water jug full of pennies upstairs that dad had started in 1960."the paper rolls are white with red trim and red writing: 50 pennies NF String and Sons, Harrisburg PA. i dont know if i have enough guts to ask them where the pennies come from. As it is, i visits various branches of the same bank to get my pennies, not going into any one particular branch too many times in a row. i just dont want too many questions. and unfortunatly, it is the bank i have accounts with. every other bank co i try always asks me if i have an account there. wouldnt you know, MY bank never asks me that. |
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Hirbonzig
Penny Collector Member
USA
451 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2007 : 05:57:02
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| All of the pennies I have sorted thru have been wrapped in paper by NF String and son also. So far I can't complain, they have some nice 25-30 per-cent coppers in them. Just like centsless I havent asked too many questions at my banks- I am still getting a feel for the bank branch that is going to be the most friendly. But so far in SE Wisconsin NF String and sons keeps rolling copper to be had. |
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c140cessna
Penny Collector Member
USA
419 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2007 : 07:38:25
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Originally posted by Hirbonzig
All of the pennies I have sorted thru have been wrapped in paper by NF String and son also. So far I can't complain, they have some nice 25-30 per-cent coppers in them. Just like centsless I havent asked too many questions at my banks- I am still getting a feel for the bank branch that is going to be the most friendly. But so far in SE Wisconsin NF String and sons keeps rolling copper to be had.
NF String & Son is just a paper product supplier.....not a processing company. NFS is pretty much all I ever see as well in terms of "Bank Boxes". I do not know who does the processing....but the FED only sells loose to the big banks...in about a 1 ton bag. As I understand it, these is one major bank in the Detroit area that processes every coin in S.E. Michigan - all other banks send loose coin (and it must be loose) to this major bank....they then interact with the FED in Detroit and some Armored Car companies to re-circulate the coin in wrapped and boxed form. I've confirmed this via several banks. |
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