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oly1oly1
Penny Sorter Member
USA
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 Posted - 07/04/2009 : 09:14:36
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Why do the best copper pennies, such as Indians and early Lincolns, get by the ryedale with a zinc penny for a comparitor. I've read and witnessed it happen, but why do they give off a zinc signature?
I caught an indian (1902) trying to hide in my zinc yesterday in a $25.00 penny brick box that came with the used ryedale I purchased. I thouht about it and decided to use a box top off a case of paper with the corner cut out instead to be able to see my zinc accepts better and hopefully catch more indians and early lincolns. I'm really not into some sort of double sort.
Any ideas or suggestions of what the pro's out their are doing to catch them elusive indians without spending additionals hours to get them.
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TXTim
Penny Hoarding Member
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 10:10:49
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| The way I understand it, your machine is rejecting anything that doesn't have the same electromagnetic signature as the penny in the comparator slot. Earlier wheats, IH's and some 70's pennies have a slightly different alloy makeup and get rejected with the zinc. |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 10:18:45
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There are still those on this board that don't believe Indians exist in the wild. Congratulation on finding your first Indian. Amazing that you got it in the first box. Most members have to sort a few hundred thousand to find one.
Whether you do a zinc accept or a copper accept, there is a good chance that Indians or older wheats will try to escape capture by hiding in the zinc side. The main purpose of the sorting is to seperate the zincs from the good stuff so you can turn it in and quickly cycle your capital. I do a copper sort myself. Then when the zinc box is full, I put a fresh empty box under the zinc side to keep the Ryedale running while I pour the zincs about 500-700 at a time into a large plastic tray I got at the dollar store. I quickly sift through them by hand and pluck out the Indians and wheats before dumping them in one of the automatic rolling machines or high speed counters to prep for returning to one of my dump banks. I don't want to work too hard at this.. so I am usually only running 3 machines at a time. I can sift through the zinc rejects quickly, capture all the Indians and older wheats, all without letting the hopper of the Ryedale go empty. Even if you don't have counting or rolling machines, the process would be the same.. a quick hand sift of the zincs before processing them for disposal will get you the good stuff without going through any additional machine sorts. By swapping boxes under the Ryedale you will have all the pennies properly sorted with no additional processing time.  |
If your percentages are low.. just sort more. If your percentages are high.. just sort more.
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PreservingThePast
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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 Posted - 07/04/2009 : 11:59:59
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I caught an indian (1902) trying to hide in my zinc yesterday in a $25.00 penny brick box that came with the used ryedale I purchased.
Congratulations!!!
I still don't believe they exist in the wild. Never was a good dancer so I guess I don't have the proper moves to produce an IH from the wild. 
Continued success. |
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dakota1955
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 13:17:14
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| You got what we all hope for as we are looking over the cents in our lives great find |
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highroller4321
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 16:39:45
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Originally posted by TXTim
The way I understand it, your machine is rejecting anything that doesn't have the same electromagnetic signature as the penny in the comparator slot. Earlier wheats, IH's and some 70's pennies have a slightly different alloy makeup and get rejected with the zinc.
Yup what Tim said. Older wheats have a little tin in them so that tends to throw the sort off. |
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daviscfad
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 00:52:04
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| i run a zinc accept now and sometimes i get earlier wheats in the reject pile and sometimes i get them in the accept pile |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 01:02:00
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| Yep.. those Indians are unpredictable. I used to run them through multiple machines alternating zinc accept and copper accept, but found it was much faster and more likely to avoid missing one by just doing a copper accept and then grabbing the old wheats and Indians out of the zinc pile before dumping. |
If your percentages are low.. just sort more. If your percentages are high.. just sort more.
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daviscfad
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1664 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2009 : 01:05:53
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| to be honest i might as well not even have a ryedale. I still sort my zincs for varietys! I feel like the ryedale helps me though and i have loved every penny of it |
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slickeast
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 01:17:21
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Originally posted by daviscfad
to be honest i might as well not even have a ryedale. I still sort my zincs for varietys! I feel like the ryedale helps me though and i have loved every penny of it
Can I save my zincs for you to pick up when you go to K-Town? Bring a truck and lots of fiat.
If the IH does not get rejected first from the zinc accept then he was lucky and still gets to roam free.
I run a zinc accept first then a copper accept. I must have it dialed in just right cause I got 2 IH in about a weeks time.
The IH's were rejected from both the zinc and copper accept runs. |
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oly1oly1
Penny Sorter Member
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 10:13:11
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Just a little clarification
The $25.00 box was not my first batch, it was what I was using to catch my zinc accepts. I now use a box from a case of paper (bigger and flatter to catch my zinc accepts. Much better for visual of IH or early wheats making it in with zincs.
However, on my very first $50.00 bag I did nab a 1909 VDB (Nice shape) handsorting about a year ago. I sure love the ryedale after handsorting for a month.
I do believe handsorting for a bit at the beginning is beneficial because you have a better eye for wheats (Lincoln Up) and copper vs zinc (depth of images and dates).
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