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c140cessna
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Posted - 05/08/2009 : 12:12:08
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The very first time I had to go into the special - get out of your car, leave us the keys, go into that room and wait inspection.....
This complete ass of a pig woman said she wanted to count the $ I had in the car based off the notes on the little orange form the booth officer filled out......when I pulled into the inspection area - they looked at the form and said they were going to count.....I said good luck, and saked if they would set aside the pre-2000 coins....trying to be funny.....when they opened the back of my minivan they about crapped....I then gave them a hint that it is about $1.70 per pound and each bucket was about 60 pounds .....or $100/bucket....and boxes of nickels had the $100 FV printed on them....
They started to take my word on it......
They were very interested in all my bank cards...they said "you must belong to every bank in Ontario"....I said no, only the 8 largest banks.....
I have a lot of experience with these folks and i know the laws/rules on both sides....so there I have zero fear of confrontation with them and they have no power of intimidation over me....I just stay cool and play their game....no problems...I've got nothing but time.... |
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jadedragon
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Posted - 05/08/2009 : 12:27:26
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cessna - I get a lot of US coin mixed into any Canadian coin I handle.
Do you pull out the zinc US pennies from the mix before returning the unwanted back to Canada?
Do you pull the US nickels out - and if so how? My ryedale can't tell a US CuNi from a Canadian CuNi so I have to pull the US out by hand. |
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c140cessna
Penny Collector Member
USA
419 Posts |
 Posted - 05/08/2009 : 12:51:10
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Originally posted by jadedragon
cessna - I get a lot of US coin mixed into any Canadian coin I handle.
Do you pull out the zinc US pennies from the mix before returning the unwanted back to Canada?
Do you pull the US nickels out - and if so how? My ryedale can't tell a US CuNi from a Canadian CuNi so I have to pull the US out by hand.
Nope.....just send them back....so, whatever the us concentration is....I up it by 50% to 100% depending on how many coppers I pull.
I've experimented ....you can pull quite a few us out by using a canadian standard and super high sensitivity and a lot of re-running....not worth the time of effort....I was doing this to pull the us nickels out for a while....when the exchange rate was 25% advantage it added up a little....might make $10 an hour .... |
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Robarons
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2009 : 13:01:30
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I assume that all the problems stated above came from US Customs. Been there before, I went to the Casino over there in Windsor and had to play 20 questions with the guy. Have you ever had any problems with Canadian Customs? It is there currency after all.
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c140cessna
Penny Collector Member
USA
419 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2009 : 13:50:12
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Originally posted by Robarons
I assume that all the problems stated above came from US Customs. Been there before, I went to the Casino over there in Windsor and had to play 20 questions with the guy. Have you ever had any problems with Canadian Customs? It is there currency after all.
Canadian customs is a breeze.....they ask very few questions....only require simple answers...most of the time do not even want to see my passport.
As a BONUS - they hire these super cute college gals on an intern basis in the summers....very fun to talk to...wish they would ask more questions....
US Customs - this is the problem side....trying to return to the US. They are most interested in how much money you have....yesterday for example it was $7500 in coin...and $2,000 paper....I went to a coin shop over there - so I took a little extra...so i was near the $10,000 limit that would force paperwork to be filed...
They act like $5k to $10k is some crazy amount of money....a good new car costs $30k...and some SUV/Trucks can be in the $40k - $50k....it is not really that much money...a freaking ounce of gold is nearly 1000 bucks....a box of quarters is $500....
They must have a massive file on me by now....they know everything about me....it has been pretty easy the past 5 trips. |
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 05/08/2009 : 16:45:53
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Originally posted by c140cessna
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Originally posted by Robarons
I assume that all the problems stated above came from US Customs. Been there before, I went to the Casino over there in Windsor and had to play 20 questions with the guy. Have you ever had any problems with Canadian Customs? It is there currency after all.
Canadian customs is a breeze.....they ask very few questions....only require simple answers...most of the time do not even want to see my passport.
As a BONUS - they hire these super cute college gals on an intern basis in the summers....very fun to talk to...wish they would ask more questions....
US Customs - this is the problem side....trying to return to the US. They are most interested in how much money you have....yesterday for example it was $7500 in coin...and $2,000 paper....I went to a coin shop over there - so I took a little extra...so i was near the $10,000 limit that would force paperwork to be filed...
They act like $5k to $10k is some crazy amount of money....a good new car costs $30k...and some SUV/Trucks can be in the $40k - $50k....it is not really that much money...a freaking ounce of gold is nearly 1000 bucks....a box of quarters is $500....
They must have a massive file on me by now....they know everything about me....it has been pretty easy the past 5 trips.
I have had to deal with some real pigs (and I mean Oink, Oink) in U.S. customs coming back from the Falls. A few decent guys too, but some real pigs. No problems with Canadian customs at all. |
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gatzdon
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Posted - 05/08/2009 : 17:01:42
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I have a lot of experience with these folks and i know the laws/rules on both sides....so there I have zero fear of confrontation with them and they have no power of intimidation over me....I just stay cool and play their game....no problems...I've got nothing but time....
You may be 100% in the right legally, but they can still sieze/confiscate anything they want by simply stating that you were "suspicious". That said, standing your ground is one thing, but I wouldn't try to push them or rub their noses in their ignorance.
Now for the real question.
Are you simply hoarding these, or have you actually found a scrap dealer that actually buys these based on their copper weight? |
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Posted - 05/08/2009 : 18:11:17
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| I'm wondering what your US cent percentages are from Canada?? I get lots of Copper Canadian cents here. My lowest was around 60 and my highest was around 110 Canadian copper when sorting a $25.00 box. I live minutes from a major border crossing. Every time I go to Canada, I almost NEVER get copper pennies in change. The last U.S.A. box I sorted had close to 100 Canadian coppers in it and less than a dozen junk Canadian cents. |
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c140cessna
Penny Collector Member
USA
419 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2009 : 20:46:31
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Originally posted by gatzdon
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You may be 100% in the right legally, but they can still sieze/confiscate anything they want by simply stating that you were "suspicious". That said, standing your ground is one thing, but I wouldn't try to push them or rub their noses in their ignorance.
Now for the real question.
Are you simply hoarding these, or have you actually found a scrap dealer that actually buys these based on their copper weight?
I just hoard....my selling price is when spot is 5X or 10X what it is now....since there are no restrictions on Canadian coin here in the USA...the future will have many more options....I'll likely try to find an industrial user as my final exit strategy.
Back to Customs: I do not push these guys - I'm very respectful and expect to be treated professionally. You have to know your rights to defend them. Let them every try confiscation....I will raise a holy stink...and take it right to the top of their organization right there on the spot. These people are employed via our taxes to protect us. I do not give them any crap....but I will also not accept any.
Bottom line is that I am doing nothing wrong and thus have no fear...any cash I take over there has bank records to support where it came from and I have them with me....I have complete lists of contacts on both side at all my banks i deal with.....it would be impossible for them to give me too much trouble...and any supervisor would quickly put an end to any monkey business. I think most of these Customs officers are pretty good guys just trying to do their jobs....but some have an attitude - this is where being accurate, in the right and having enough confidence to not take too much crap pays off. |
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Silver Surfer
Penny Pincher Member
USA
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Posted - 05/11/2009 : 01:31:03
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| c140cessna. It is truly amazing what you've been able to accomplish. I bet you have all kinds of great stories from your interesting experiences. Hope you are keeping a journal. Maybe you should consider writing a book or at least an e-book, someday. |
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highroller4321
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 05/11/2009 : 20:06:34
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| Wow this is quite a thread c140cessna! Keep up the valuable information! When I come up and visit you and Andy, we are all taking a trip to Canada! I want to see this in action, and start doing this myself...of course in a differnt area than yours! |
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Posted - 05/11/2009 : 22:08:08
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WOW!
now that's Impressive!! |
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c140cessna
Penny Collector Member
USA
419 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 00:49:16
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Finished sorting $4100 FV......looks so nice and neat....Why can't you just get them this way from the bank?!?!?
1,140 Lbs Canadian 98% Copper added to the hoard this past weekend. 5 Ryedales processed in about 4 - 5 hours. Overall score was 45% Cu !!!! These babies came from deep piggy banks for a charity drive. Typical Canadian Cu has been about 35%.....so 45% was a nice score.
$2,240 Canadian Zinc/Steel to be returned to The Great White North....only 1,300 lbs.....pretty reasonable load for the Pontiac Montana.....looking forward to using the "Hi-Jacker" Air Shocks. |
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Nickelmeister
Penny Hoarding Member
Canada
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 01:07:29
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Originally posted by c140cessna
Finished sorting $4100 FV......looks so nice and neat....Why can't you just get them this way from the bank?!?!?
1,140 Lbs Canadian 98% Copper added to the hoard this past weekend. 5 Ryedales processed in about 4 - 5 hours. Overall score was 45% Cu !!!! These babies came from deep piggy banks for a charity drive. Typical Canadian Cu has been about 35%.....so 45% was a nice score.
$2,240 Canadian Zinc/Steel to be returned to The Great White North....only 1,300 lbs.....pretty reasonable load for the Pontiac Montana.....looking forward to using the "Hi-Jacker" Air Shocks.
Where do you return all that loose Canadian zinc/steel? I can't find a local bank or CU that will take unwrapped pennies... |
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c140cessna
Penny Collector Member
USA
419 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 01:18:32
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Where do you return all that loose Canadian zinc/steel? I can't find a local bank or CU that will take unwrapped pennies...
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I know a coin processing company in S.W. Ontario that will take them loose. They are like a Coin Star but a little less fee....but they also sort, wrap, package, interact with bank coin services, etc.
Where are you located? I assume in Canada?
Here in the US, I use 3 banks that have free coin counting services....never drop more than $200 zinc at a single branch.....at the self serve machine i have no shame...show up with my mp3 player and listen to my investment program and make a massive dump in the machine....they have to come out and change the box 2 or 3 times...I've dumbed $1000 in pennies at one time in the past. |
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NotABigDeal
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USA
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 06:09:48
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c140cessna, I'm so glad you are back in force. Thank you for all the pictures. Keep it up!
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Pennyworth
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USA
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 18:36:12
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| Wow, what a process! :) Do we need a passport to enter Canada? I remember going to Canada in the early 1980's but I don't remember showing a passport. |
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NotABigDeal
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USA
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 19:50:08
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Originally posted by Pennyworth
Wow, what a process! :) Do we need a passport to enter Canada? I remember going to Canada in the early 1980's but I don't remember showing a passport.
I don't know first hand, but I believe so now.
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Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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DesertTumbleweed402
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USA
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 20:00:36
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| Yes, you need a passport to enter Canada and Mexico, now. |
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Pennyworth
Penny Sorter Member
USA
83 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 20:39:09
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fasTTcar
Penny Hoarding Member
Canada
573 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 20:55:23
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I like the 2-4 of blue to the left of the coppers.
Nice touch. |
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c140cessna
Penny Collector Member
USA
419 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 22:36:16
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Originally posted by fasTTcar
I like the 2-4 of blue to the left of the coppers.
Nice touch.
Yeah, I had to move the Pabst over next to the US Coppers......I'm all about my garage motif.... |
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TXTim
Penny Hoarding Member
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 14:06:02
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Originally posted by fasTTcar
I like the 2-4 of blue to the left of the coppers.
Nice touch.
Caught my eye as well!
Blue, Utica Club and Genesee were my favorites as a lad where grew up. |
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theo
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 05/20/2009 : 15:06:55
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Like the others I'm very impressed. But I have to ask, have you ever had one those buckets tip over on you en route? I once had a jar with about $30 of zinc tip over on my back seat during a quick stop. What a terrible sound! I put the jar on the back floor now.
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moboman
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 05/20/2009 : 15:28:02
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Originally posted by TXTim
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Originally posted by fasTTcar
I like the 2-4 of blue to the left of the coppers.
Nice touch.
Caught my eye as well!
Blue, Utica Club and Genesee were my favorites as a lad where grew up.
not to talk smack, but we had blue on tap right after a half barrel of yuengling and there was no comparison. The yuengling was so much better. My dad and I both used to really like the taste of blue too. Maybe you should try some of America's oldest brewery. 
We've still got half of the half barrel of labatts if anyone wants to take the pepsi challenge.  (thanks to mistero we have yuengling, we can't get it where we live) |
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