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Nickelless
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moboman
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 00:13:44
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Computer Jones
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 03:44:47
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Gas and a nice big tank to store it in would come in very handy.
A big tank of propane or butane.
Tires would be useful, as well as a way to mount/dismount them.
A chainsaw and extra parts, as well as axes, hand saws and hatchets.
And, sorry about this one, a hand gun, a shotgun and plenty of ammo. |
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Nickelless
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fb101
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 05:55:12
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Hey Carrie Gun! What's your game now, can anybody play?
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Nickelless
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Lemon Thrower
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 Posted - 12/06/2008 : 06:49:32
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Originally posted by Computer Jones
Gas and a nice big tank to store it in would come in very handy.
A big tank of propane or butane.
Tires would be useful, as well as a way to mount/dismount them.
A chainsaw and extra parts, as well as axes, hand saws and hatchets.
And, sorry about this one, a hand gun, a shotgun and plenty of ammo.
agree with these except for the gas. gasoline does not store well for long - you have to add stabilizers etc. its also somewhat dangerous.
Now, I have 4-5 5-gallon empty gas cans. If there is a bug out scenario my first stop is the gas station to fill up - you never know when you find gas available.
Also need a siphon or 2. Northern Tool has these for a few bucks.
Walmart is a good place for the gas cans. Also WM has 5 or 7 gallon water jugs. Ten or 12 of those are a good idea. your local govt is clueless - don't depend on them for clean water in an emergency. you will also need a way to transport it - wagon and bicycle are good ideas.
lots of paper plates, plastic forks, napkins, baby wipes and trash bags. place to burn your trash when the local govt isn't paying sanitation workers - you don't want a trashpile in front of your yard so everyone knows you are still eating well.
OTC medicines and antibiotics. megadoses of vitamin D-3. |
Buying:
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copper cents at 1.3X
wheat pennies at 3X
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 09:28:28
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Clothing, sleeping bags, personal items such as toothbrushes, soap, laundry detergent,dishwashing detergents and razor blades if you don't like the survivor look. In general, think about the things you use now that are a real pain in the @$$ if you run out of.
A little side note. These items along with food can also be one of your best investments. I bought 6 ounce cans of tuna at WalMart a year ago for $.48 each. Now the same brand is 5 ounce and $.83 each. I wish my silver investments had done so well. |
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wagsthadog
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 10:08:18
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Hi there-
Assuming prices stayed the same:
12 Ga. Shotgun - $320-$400
100 shells- #4 buck- $100
Heavy winter coat- $20 (thrift store)
boots- $20 (thrift store)
good Backpack- $10 (thrift store)
as many MRE's as $150 will get me
3 rolls of 1964 kennedy halves +/-($300)
Nice mobile stash in case I needed to bug out!!
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Steiner
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 14:29:46
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I have a lot of this stuff but I think I would invest that money in First aid, vitamins, salt, antibiotics, pain killers, rubbing alcohol, etc.
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Nickelless
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 18:39:02
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Originally posted by wagsthadog
Hi there-
Assuming prices stayed the same:
12 Ga. Shotgun - $320-$400
100 shells- #4 buck- $100
Heavy winter coat- $20 (thrift store)
boots- $20 (thrift store)
good Backpack- $10 (thrift store)
as many MRE's as $150 will get me
3 rolls of 1964 kennedy halves +/-($300)
Nice mobile stash in case I needed to bug out!!
wags
You could get about three months worth of food for $150 if you buy bulk items in quantity, Wags, but MREs aren't worth the price. They're way too expensive to consider making them the staple of your food stash. I'll post more info on here hopefully later tonight about my food storage that I'm putting together really cheap and chock full of nutrition.
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Kurr
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 Posted - 12/06/2008 : 18:44:53
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Originally posted by Nickelless
Other than food, water, heat sources and personal protection, what other items would be absolutely necessary that could be bought totaling $1,000 or less? I'm thinking about people who might be light on cash but who want to get what will help them the most on a tight budget.
If a fellow is in a situation where he can only scrape together and/or store $1000 in supplies for survival, he needs to spend it on fuel, vehicle, Pack, rations, Concealable firearm (take down rifle, pistol etc, water purification, etc. Just enough so he can drive to somebody better prepared or if he HAS to grab the pack and "heel toe" it.
$1000 in supplies is not enough if you consider things like tools/spare parts needed to keep things like generators running, food preservation ongoing, etc. If that be his scenario he needs to get to someone with a farm.
I say concealable firearm because though the ones mentioned are the "best" overall for the task, in a SHTF scenario, local law will be the law, and one county/state might not allow what the other did. Have it hidden, not confiscated. Your not going to be trying for the fight/defend approach. Your tactics will be some sort of infil/exfil tactics as you move. Your one goal at that point IMHO is to get to that pre-prepared bug out location.
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pencilvanian
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 18:56:14
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With a question like this I sometimes wish there was a blooger who lived through-
Zimbabwe's crisis
The meltdown of Eastern Europe (Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, etc)
Or some other nation that went through a currency crisis and the aftermath.
Of course, we would need facts about day to day living/bartering/survival skills and not opinions of what should work or political philosiphy.
Barring that, all we can do is guess what we would need to survive and what would be needed to trade (Only if you had a couple million dollars and an island could you ever hope to be absolutely prepared and able to fend off looters.)
Breakdown of basics-
Food
Dehydrated food for space considerations, dried beans, rice, dried soupmix.
Beans & rice have been the main staple for many when nothing else was available.
Storage containers to keep dried food in, dollar stores sell cheap but good enough containers, if unavailable, look for mason jars or Rubbermaid type containers if they can be found cheap enough.
MRE(Meals Ready to Eat) if you can find them cheap enough.
Good cookpot to prepare meals. A few cans of canned heat if you can't cook outdoors and lack a stove. Use great care when using canned heat.
Medicines
Over the counter asprin or non asprin bottles, can be used for self or for trade if unopened.
Bandages, antibiotics,
if available a book on herbal healing when the medicines give out.
Cheap bike
When all else fails, pedal power will get you from point A to point B when gas or diesel is unavailable (they used bikes during WWII and the Swiss Army had troops on bikes for recon and fighting. A bike is a silent form of transport, leaves no heat signature, lightweight, etc. you get the idea.)
Shovel and pick
To bury cache of food or ammo and dig it up later.
Warm clothing
The old fashioned longjohns keep you warm when you have to work outside.
**Simple and clever way of keeping your legs warm without expensive thinsulate pants or don't like wearing longjohns-
Find a pair of sweatpants that are large enough to fit over your own pants but tight enough not to slip off when you wear them both at the same time (sweatpants over regular pants)
This does work since I have worn sweatpants over my regular pants and I have not suffered frostbite or frostnip in my legs no matter how cold the weather.
Good winter coat and a sweater or zip up sweat suit top to keep out the cold. Flannel is best but if unavailable a regular sweat suit top will work.
Good winter boots and winter socks, make sure they fit comfortably or your feet will suffer all winter long.
Candles
Can be used as a source for heat and light, just use extreme care with candles, you don't want to burn the place down with careless candle handling. I once mentioned the candle in a coffee can to keep a person warm if stuck in a car some time back. Granted, a candle won't keep you toasty warm, but it will be the difference between being chilly and freezing.
Trade goods
What would your neighbors need?
One or two extra of whatever you have on hand.
While the mentality of some is-
"I'm ready, you're not, tough luck" is the tough love ideal, being unwilling to trade with others what you have can make you the target of retaliation (this did happen after Katrina hit.)
At the same time, you DON'T want to advertise you have everything and then some and invite looters to your home.
If you have something a neighbor might need, just say "I had an extra one in my closet" or "I forgot I had this in my pantry".
Helping out neighbors makes them thankful for your help and will gladly watch your place if you have to go out, have to sleep, etc. It is best to try to stay friendly with others without giving away how much you have, since hard feelings can lead to trouble down the road.
There are probably more things that can be had to add to this $1,000 limit of survival gear but that is all I can think of right now.
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Kurr
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cwgii
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 21:55:48
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hmmmmm, my turn to weigh in.
being a hobo on wheels. i wish i had not traded the old diesel truck for the new gas. while not good for ever, diesel keeps better than gas.also i had a 100galon auxillary tank. i live in a 26' travel trailer. the wooden rack has things attached all over. solar panels on top, bike on the back, rake, shovel on the side, always carry some pvc pipe too. manyyyy uses.
i have lived off grid for 10 years. i have 1200 watts of solar panels. various battery systems.redundancy is me. several inverters of 50-1500 wattts. 6 batteries in the truck, two on the trailer tonge, two on the back bumper of the trailer. several 'tool boxes' with smaller 28-33-44 amphour batteries.
my fridge is the size of a cooler. it too runs off a single solar panel, with one 100ah battery.. ultimate problem in meltdown times.... replacement of the deepcycle batteries. but i have had some of the agms for 5 years. and they test out with higher specs than 'new'.
i also have dozens of aa , nimh batteries that get recharged by , you guessed it, solar chargers. used in led lights , radio, etc.
i have a ''global sun oven''.$$200 ish. i cook a lot of stews, rice. ie. like a crock pot, slow cooker. requires just the sun to be 300 plus degrees. also good for 'pasturizing' water of questionable quality. used in africa--no wood, india--tick in the river, then dip out the days drinking water.
solar shower bags to heat water. though a brown or green quart beer bottle a little aluminum foil and piece of cardboard makes water too hot to wash with.
hand crank washing machine , course down here, i dont wear a lot of clothes around the trailer. just shorts.
if i was not mobile i would have a , solar still, noooooooo not alcohol. you can ''distill' water to the tune of a few quarts a day. again, with the questionable water source, or muddy water. around here, lots of salts in the water. etc. costs for a commercial one are a bit high at 400. but.... without water life in the desert , ceases.
hence i have a 15 gallon tank in the truck, a 12 gallon barrel, a 30 gallon tank in the trailer. buttttt, if the city lost power. no pumps, no water. folks in this neck of the woods would dry up in a hurry.
before my shoulder injury, i would have said a bow and arrows instead of a gun. silent . not as likely to get confiscated. now i cannot pull a bow. so... a scoped .22 . due to the volume of ammo and price. when i was a competitive shooter , it was nothing to hit a tin can at 100 yards, even with a .22 . mayyybe a .223 due to 'military ammo' .
someone mentioned 'sweatpants' and flannel...... NOOOOOOOOOOO. cotton kills. wool or ick... some of the modern micacle fabrics. wool blankets, good zero degree sleeping bag. splurge on a couple air matteresses, to keep off the cold ground. tarps for shade , since the rain down here is like 6 days a year. buttttttt, they would also allow capture of rainwater. lots of rope of various sizes. lots of nails of many sizes.
again , ulitmate replacement might be hard, but, i have 8 sears 19.2 volt battery packs for my drill, saw. etc.
makes it easy to do projects away from a power source.
lots of small thing we take for granted in everyday living. any one want to vote for........... toilet paper. hard to wipe with a cactus.
enough for tonight.
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redneck
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Posted - 12/08/2008 : 05:46:10
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Just a word on MRE's. They're made to eat in an emergency only and not to try and live off them, they have a nasty way of plugging you up after only a little while.The Army only wants the troops to worry about carrying out their mission and not worrying about a good place to take a dump.After only a few days, of eating them, the toxic effects on your system will show up and will make you wonder why you ever thought that eating them was a good idea.
Having said all that,it is still a good idea to have some,they store a long time,and would be good to trade with.
I just wouldn't plan on eating them exclusively.
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Nickelless
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Posted - 12/08/2008 : 12:52:56
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Originally posted by redneck
Just a word on MRE's. They're made to eat in an emergency only and not to try and live off them, they have a nasty way of plugging you up after only a little while.The Army only wants the troops to worry about carrying out their mission and not worrying about a good place to take a dump.After only a few days, of eating them, the toxic effects on your system will show up and will make you wonder why you ever thought that eating them was a good idea.
Having said all that,it is still a good idea to have some,they store a long time,and would be good to trade with.
I just wouldn't plan on eating them exclusively.
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Not only that, but they can be prohibitively expensive. The 20-lb. bag of soup mix I have in my bug-out bag cost probably $10 and will feed me for a week. (I know I've been talking about this...give me a couple days and I'll post my recipe...gotta finish a couple jobs to earn my FRNs) |
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 12/08/2008 : 18:28:49
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Latest Harry Potter "novel", Grand Theft Auto video game, a cool pair of trendy sunglasses
Ok, candles and matches.
Board games and books, people need to be distracted, and kids need to be entertained (to a reasonable extent). You won't want to sit around and stew about the situation day and night, and neither will your woman.
A good Bible, or several, of different translations. I prefer the ones in the Olde English language, they seem to express the message better than the new dumbed-down language ones.
A roto-tiller would be handy, and you could barter tilling services.
A Camaro Z28 convertible (any year). Hey, if you can't put gas in it, you can always "play drive" it, you know, sit behind the wheel and make engine noises.
A roll each (or more) of 6mil or heavier poly sheeting, many uses.
DUCT TAPE, Ducktape, and/or ductape.
At least one copy each of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
Battery powered radios, the more bands the better.
Probably the most important asset is knowledge, and with the Internet it's available basically free. Know how to: plant a garden, raise rabbits and/or chickens, collect and purify water, etc. This winter would be a good time to gather info (and print it out) on these sort of things. That might be a good thread for this topic, links to "how to" info.
And anything that is barterable. None of us can predict what we'll need, but if you've got something that others need, you've got a better chance being able to trade for what you never thought of.
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 12/08/2008 : 18:51:58
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I seriously wonder WTSHTF if the PTB will actually abide by the Constitution, but that's a rant for a different thread.
They're not abiding it now, but yeah, another thread...... |
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redneck
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Posted - 12/09/2008 : 06:42:03
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If you had only $1,000 to prepare for TSHTF...
This is well spent money.
Dare To Prepare
You must be logged in to see this link.
The book contains a huge amount of information,624 pages.
If or when the power goes out or if the internet gets shut down,you'll still have this book as a guide.
Definitely worth the money to have this much info readily available at your finger tips.
They give discounts on orders of 3 or more so you can hand them out to family and friends.
You need to check it out.
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I got one a few years back.
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Frugi
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Posted - 12/10/2008 : 23:06:55
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Originally posted by Nickelless
Other than food, water, heat sources and personal protection
If I had all the above and $1000 to spend, I would spend all the $$ on the items I use every day to make mine and my wifes life better such as: Dr. Bronners Magic Soap (shampoo w/ 24 other uses, & all nat. organic & bio degradeable), toothpaste, toothbrushes, deodorant, floss, razors (mach 3), shaving cream, toilet paper, kleenex, aspirin, cologne, hand soap, lotion, sunscreen, feminine products for the lady, etc.
$1000 wouldn't last long. |
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redneck
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 17:08:05
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Originally posted by Nickelless
Other than food, water, heat sources and personal protection
If I had all the above and $1000 to spend, I would spend all the $$ on the items I use every day to make mine and my wifes life better such as: Dr. Bronners Magic Soap (shampoo w/ 24 other uses, & all nat. organic & bio degradeable), toothpaste, toothbrushes, deodorant, floss, razors (mach 3), shaving cream, toilet paper, kleenex, aspirin, cologne, hand soap, lotion, sunscreen, feminine products for the lady, etc.
$1000 wouldn't last long.
Unless that Dr. Bronners Magic Soap is edible,you better put some food in there or you'll blow bubbles when you have to fart, all nat. organic & bio degradeable bubble farts.
Creature comforts will take a back back back seat to food.
If you don't think food is important,try not eating for a week.
Then tell us how it was a walk in the park. Plus keep us filled in how the next several days , weeks and months with no food goes.
If memory serves me correctly, didn't you just buy a house ?
If you did, does it have a basement or extra bedroom ? I and others here would suggest you start putting a little food away every week.
Shelter ,water, food and personal protection, in that order.
Every day now you hear more and more about food shortages around the world. Sooner or later those food shortages will affect us here, either by our own shortages or by inflation.
Having stored food is like having home insurance,you hope you'll never need it,but if you do,your thankful you have it.
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Frugi
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 20:10:36
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Originally posted by redneck
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Originally posted by Frugi
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Originally posted by Nickelless
Other than food, water, heat sources and personal protection
If I had all the above and $1000 to spend, I would spend all the $$ on the items I use every day to make mine and my wifes life better such as: Dr. Bronners Magic Soap (shampoo w/ 24 other uses, & all nat. organic & bio degradeable), toothpaste, toothbrushes, deodorant, floss, razors (mach 3), shaving cream, toilet paper, kleenex, aspirin, cologne, hand soap, lotion, sunscreen, feminine products for the lady, etc.
$1000 wouldn't last long.
Unless that Dr. Bronners Magic Soap is edible,you better put some food in there or you'll blow bubbles when you have to fart, all nat. organic & bio degradeable bubble farts.
Creature comforts will take a back back back seat to food.
If you don't think food is important,try not eating for a week.
Then tell us how it was a walk in the park. Plus keep us filled in how the next several days , weeks and months with no food goes.
If memory serves me correctly, didn't you just buy a house ?
If you did, does it have a basement or extra bedroom ? I and others here would suggest you start putting a little food away every week.
Shelter ,water, food and personal protection, in that order.
Every day now you hear more and more about food shortages around the world. Sooner or later those food shortages will affect us here, either by our own shortages or by inflation.
Having stored food is like having home insurance,you hope you'll never need it,but if you do,your thankful you have it.
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Redneck, the question posed by Nickelless was WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY EXCLUDING FOOD & WATER. HEAT, AND PERSONAL PROTECTION.
By the way I regularly go up to a week without food. I fast monthly as part of my diet. I am a raw foodist and consume very little. Again though the question was what other things besides food... |
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redneck
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 20:15:40
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Oops, my bad.
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