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Tourney64
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 Posted - 10/07/2006 : 11:15:24
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| 3drcpilot, Were you able to get the reject acceopt functionality to work? That has been my problem. I have a 12 V supply and a New 13 V Coin Acceptor CC-16E, INH. I've tried hooking up the 12V supply, but everything gets accepted, even with me adjusting the sensitivity. I was hoping that the coin acceptor portion of the machine would still work properly with 12V. It does turn on the power light but nothing else appears to work. If you got success with yours, then I will get better power supply. This is the one issue I have and then I can finish the project. I do not plan on using a coin sorting machine that you buy at Walmart. I have one already, and I played with the thought of using it and don't think it will be as dependable as I need. I will make my own mechanism with only parts I need. I still haven't figured out how I would do the automatic counting yet. |
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Posted - 10/07/2006 : 12:46:15
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Tourney, I can't say I have got anything to work as of yet. Moose just posted the pin out for me the other day. What sample are you using? I'd try something way off to see what happens and then a proper sample for any differences.
My unit is from eBay and I hope it is a functioning unit as well. |
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Tourney64
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Posted - 10/07/2006 : 14:12:21
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| I've tried both a copper cent and zinc cent as the sample coin in the compare slot, and dropped samples of both copper and zinc with no luck. I have had no coin trip the reject mechanism. Maybe I'll try some US dimes and Canadian pennies in the slot and see what happens. I was lucky I found someone selling brand new ones on EBay. I got burned buying several used ones from different people on EBay. |
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Posted - 10/07/2006 : 16:42:53
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Tourney,
Here's some troubleshooting ideas I had...
Does it reject other coins (say, nickels and dimes and quarters)? Or does it literally accept everything? Are you sure it's not rejecting everything (I don't know if the slots are labeled). The accept slot isn't necessarily the one in the back.
The calibration procedure is to turn the sensitivity down until ALL coins are rejected, including the correct ones. If it's all the way down and still accepting everything, something may be wrong with it. You might want to try calling the company that made it and see if they'll help you get it working. That's one reason I've been thinking of buying one from them, aside from getting the 12V model which wouldn't require a specialized power supply (which would probly cost more than the unit, but which I wouldn't mind having just for the heck of it). This may be silly, but make sure you're turning the sensitivity screw in the right direction.
If you want to turn your 12V into 13.5V (and I'd only do this for a short time for testing, to see if that's the problem), you could put a D-cell in series with it to give it an extra 1.5V. If you do it too much you could end up reverse-charging the battery and making it leak. Make sure you have the polarity correct, and test the voltage with a meter. If it says 10.5V disconnect it quick 'cause you have the battery backwards. You may have to hook it up to test the voltage, a lot of switching power supplies (computer-type) don't give the right voltage with no load.
I hope some of this helps. |
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Tourney64
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Posted - 10/07/2006 : 20:44:58
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Still no luck. Tried every coin and none of them trigger the electromagnet that puts the coins in the accept drop down. Essentially the coin comparitor does nothing when I drop coins in the slot. Tried adjusting to each extreme on the sensitivity. I am going to try some of the other adjustments. I still think it has enough power from the 12 volt to do it's thing. It's the same problem I've been encountering with the used Coin Comparitors which are 12 volt also. I'm using a 12 volt battery pack right now. I will probably switch over to an old cell phone 12 volt charger when I get it working.
Here's my next step:
I removed the weight adjustment (Screw at the top of the mechanism on a little trigger), because it's rated for quarters. I have been testing without the weight, because the pennies are too light to offset the weight adjustment, and they get stuck. This may be the reason I'm having problems, because there is no weight and the coin goes thru too quick. If I cn't find a screw I will lighten the weight adjustment screw to make it more reasonable for a penny or replace it with a small screw with the same threading. The weight adjustment is needed to briefly hold the coin in place for the comparison to work.
If this doesn't work I guess I'll try the 13.5 Volt solution.
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Posted - 10/07/2006 : 21:25:16
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You might want to try putting a quarter in the sample area and see if it'll accept quarters. Since you have the weight for those, that's probly the best way to test. You should at least get it to work at all, and then you can work on getting it to work with pennies.
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Tourney64
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 10/08/2006 : 08:01:22
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| Good idea FlyingMoose...No luck though. I'm now at the point where I will need to increase the voltage. |
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Posted - 10/14/2006 : 16:16:41
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Curious if anyone is having any luck with this? I was browsing around and found this: You must be logged in to see this link.
They claim to have:
MA-600 Mechanical acceptor for a single coin. Basic diameter, weight, and magnetic alloy tests. 5 coins per second. $44.50
MA-601 - Single coin electronic coin comparator. A sample of the coin to accept is placed in a comparison cradle. 7 coins per second. $162.86
MA-800 Highest performance multi-coin electronic coin acceptors. These units measure edge and center metal, diameter. 20 coins per second. $191.95
MA-820 - Same as MA-800 but says it detects clad alloys coins with advanced non-contact inductive sensing circuitry that can actually read the center layer separately from the outer layer. $228.56
So seems the MA-820 though pricey is perfect for pennies, and looks like if you want to switch over to nickels, dimes, or quarters you should be able to (if you were looking for silver coins I suppose). No idea how good this company is, from the link I clicked on "how to order" then it gives a list of distributors and a seperate pdf that has the prices but the pdf with the prices says "Year 2005" and it says to watch for new products in the "Summmer of 2005", so being as we're past the summer of 2006 looks like the pricing is outdated (maybe they're cheaper...doubtful). Haven't looked at the Better Business Bureau or anything for this company. Just curious if anyone is aware of these and/or if this is the type of quality you guys are getting on ebay. Seems you may just be getting the simple magnetic and weight detecting $44.50 equivalent product from other companies.
$200 is a little pricey for an experiment. Anybody more educated on these things or know of similar models from other companies that are cheaper?
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Posted - 10/16/2006 : 00:09:29
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I don't think you'd need the expensive one, pennies aren't clad, but plated (VERY thin layer). Is there a phone number you can call and ask them?
The other place said they'll seperate pennies, so I'd buy it based on that (quite a bit cheaper, about $105), and if it won't do it, just return the thing. Their newest line is the MC like, which might work better for this than the CC line (the new one is microprocessor-based)... |
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Posted - 10/18/2006 : 16:22:01
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Anybody in this topic ever get one of these working? I'd go for a $20 solution for the number of coins I have but I haven't seen anyone yell eureka yet.
With the price a zinc penny worth a penny, looking like my best reason to sort for copper is to limit the number I need to look at to find an indian head or wheat penny.
I haven't called my bank yet, they'll usually let me buy a $25 box about once a week but tell me I have to pre-order if I want more than that. I haven't called yet as say I want $500, that's 20 of the $25 brinks boxes. I'd need to wheel a hand truck into the bank (like that won't look suspicious). Otherwise I can probably carry $100 out at a time manually, but that takes five trips into the bank and back out, not to mention the poor lady at the counter lugging them all over to the window. Ryedale's machine would be tempting if I was at the point I was getting at least a couple thousand dollars worth of pennies per month but that doesn't sound very easy logistically unless the bank lets me come in like 10-15 minutes before they open or something (or brinks will drop them off at my house instead). |
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Tourney64
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 10/18/2006 : 18:03:57
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We are still working on it as far as I know. I think several of us are closer now, and I expect before the end of the year someone will figure out the exact wiring. If you do buy a coin comparitor, make sure it is a new one or has some sort of guarantee. Several of them I bought were junk with no recourse.
If you do decide to order pennies, you may want to start small. Many of us have gotten several 100% Zinc boxes mostly 2006 pennies from Brinks. Worst part is the pennies aren't even good enough to sell as new. Total waste of time and effort. |
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Posted - 11/01/2006 : 12:52:20
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| I've seen a machine do exactly what you're trying to do. Check out Ryedalecoin.com I've seen the machine in action with my own eyes. It appears to be very accurate and smooth running. |
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Posted - 11/02/2006 : 14:03:30
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| I went to the site, but didn't see any prices, does any one know how much? |
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Posted - 11/03/2006 : 04:30:44
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Ryedale himself posted on this forum in early September. Was asking if anyone would be willing to pay $800 but he didn't say that'd definitely be the price for sure but I'd suspect around that much.
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In that thread I was a little overly enthusiastic, obviously $800 is not bad if you are getting several thousand dollars worth of pennies out of the bank each month but I don't even have $800 worth of pennies. I think minimally I'd need $3000 to $4000 worth of pennies (face value) before I'd spend $800 but it'd be worth it if I were bringing in tons of pennies a month. |
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Posted - 11/10/2006 : 23:33:19
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| I've seen the machine working. It sorts something like six per second, so that sounds like about $200 per hour or 6x60x60=21600. I might be wrong on the speed though. The price is around $800. The pictures on the website are pretty accurate. It's a nice machine if you really want to sort a bunch of pennies. It seems to be very accurate. |
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Posted - 11/18/2006 : 17:04:38
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by sorting by machine you would miss all the errors which are worth more numismatically than the metal value.. also the 1982 zinc cent at last checking is worth $1.20 plus don't forget the wide spaced 1998-2000 cents worth $5.00 or more on e.bay, but machine sorting would certainly be faster and the down side is missing some really good stuff.
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Posted - 11/18/2006 : 21:34:17
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by sorting by machine you would miss all the errors which are worth more numismatically than the metal value.. also the 1982 zinc cent at last checking is worth $1.20 plus don't forget the wide spaced 1998-2000 cents worth $5.00 or more on e.bay, but machine sorting would certainly be faster and the down side is missing some really good stuff.
neil robertson
I'd mostly use it for catching pre 1982's so that I'd have smaller pile to sort through for wheat pennies and WWII pennies (which I could easlily pick up with a magnet). You can't be serious about the zinc 1982's unless you mean like MS-65 because I have 250 1982's, not all of which are zinc, haven't sorted them by zinc/copper but they were all in circulation, I suspect they aren't worth more than a penny numismatically speaking. I'd gladly put them on ebay for $1 each if all I had to do was figure out which one's are zinc. |
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Posted - 12/11/2006 : 16:52:33
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definitely in ms 65 but you can tell if they're worn by looking a the curl at the top of lincolns headi actively look thru @200$ worth of cents weekly so i run into a few in circulation without wear and full mint luster which are worth considerably more than metal value. i also have a gram scale i bought on the internet for about 5 bucks which i can tell the difference by weighing them. the zincols weigh 2.5 grams and the copper weights 3.1 grams.. i occasionally put together sets of 82 cents and it comes in handy doing that but my friends tease me that im too old for those scales because i guess people use them to weigh out marijuana
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Posted - 12/11/2006 : 16:57:01
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if anyone finds a source that will accept pre-82 cents for smelting in western NC please let me know then maybe i will start saving them. right now i only save wheaties and indians that i find in circulation but i'm open to anything wtshtf
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