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Copper Catcher
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USA
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Posted - 10/04/2008 :  18:16:57  Show Profile Send Copper Catcher a Private Message
Below are pictures of the coins I have found while searching for copper and halves. I've plucked these out sometimes before they hit the Reydale and sometimes after.

I would like to know your opinion if you think the coin is a real error and has value or just another altered coin. I am thinking about maybe sending some of to get slabbed? What say you??

I have taken both the front i.e. obverse and back i.e. reverse so you can see what I found and see the condition. Also, I've numbered each set of picture so you can comment as you see fit. THANKS AGAIN!

Coin 1 Stamped thru grease?




Coin 2 Gold in color



Coin 3 Missing Copper



Coin 4 Zinc showing on raised parts




Coin 5 All dark...I read about something about coins like this in a coin magazine but can't remember if they were worth keeping or not?



Coin 6 While I have found lots of off center stamps this is the most
significant



Coin 7 Chipped



Coin 8 Gold color



Coin 9 Gold color



Coin 10 Silver color



Coin 11 Blank Obverse



Coin 12 It is almost as if the penny was push inside the zinc rim?



Coin 13 Missing copper on obverse?



Coin Group 14 Various stamped coins


Coin Group 15 Various stamped coins




wagsthadog
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USA
565 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2008 :  19:12:03  Show Profile Send wagsthadog a Private Message
Hi there copper,

I'm NOT a coin expert in the least, but I think that most of the coins are pretty standard finds; I've found almost all the same phenomena in my sorts. I think coins 7 and 11 might have some numismatic premium but I think the rest are pretty common. Take that at face value!!

wags

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Copper Catcher
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USA
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Posted - 10/04/2008 :  19:39:41  Show Profile Send Copper Catcher a Private Message
I don't know if the first coin is real or created. It looks real. Also, I am curious why so many gold colored coins.. I know there was at least a few brass penny trial??

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I also found this....

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fb101
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USA
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Posted - 10/04/2008 :  21:31:39  Show Profile Send fb101 a Private Message
I think I can answer for a couple based on the pics.
Coin 3 is damaged, not errored.
Coin 6 is off center enough to garnish a few bucks, not much.
Coin 7 appears to be a clipped planchet, also a few bucks.
Coin 11 will get you a buck or two MAYBE.
all after 14 cold sell likely as a batch if someone is interested for possibly a few bucks.
#1 I'd have to see in person, can't tell. One of us has a struck through grease listed but not selling. I also have one.
The others I have examples of but haven't bothered to find out.

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WheatieFan
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USA
106 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2008 :  21:44:43  Show Profile Send WheatieFan a Private Message
My barely educated guess is that coins #1 and #7 have the best chance of carrying a premium. They could have been conceivably made like this during the minting process. I don't see how #11 could have been made during the minting process, but am open to suggestions. The off center cent is more than I usually find, but not sure if enough to command a premium. Most of the others are probably post-mint damage.

WheatieFan



Edited by - WheatieFan on 10/04/2008 21:47:39
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Frugi
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Posted - 10/04/2008 :  21:48:02  Show Profile Send Frugi a Private Message
Honesty is the best policy. Would you rather be told what you want to hear or the truth?
Here goes the truth.
1. Is a high school experiment showing the effect of hydrochloric acid on heavy metal.
2. nothing, very common.
3. nothing, very common.
4. nothing, very common.
5. nothing, very common.
6. not too much off center but enough to be worth $3-5 on eBay.
7. clipped planchet, worth about $5.00 for that year.
8. nothing, very common.
9. nothing, very common.
10. dipped in mercury, so be careful when handling.
11. rare find in circulation than most errors, $10.00 or more.
12. nothing, very common.
13. nothing, very common.
14. these have value of about (whatever someone will pay) or about $2-5.00 each.
15. these have value of about (whatever someone will pay) or about $2-5.00 each;
the mason ones should go for $5.00 each on eBay if free shipping.

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fb101
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USA
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Posted - 10/04/2008 :  22:55:04  Show Profile Send fb101 a Private Message
Whoa Frugi! I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
What I wrote was based on what I've seen on Ebay, but I've several I'll be glad to list!
Thanks!
And by the way thanks for the tip on #10 - I just this second found my first like that, a 1964, and thanks to you I was careful in handling!

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Frugi
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USA
627 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2008 :  23:05:27  Show Profile Send Frugi a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by fb101

Whoa Frugi! I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
What I wrote was based on what I've seen on Ebay, but I've several I'll be glad to list!
Thanks!
And by the way thanks for the tip on #10 - I just this second found my first like that, a 1964, and thanks to you I was careful in handling!




A completely blank (obverse&reverse) is very common, but not so much as far as obverse only, I could be wrong, but I would pay $10.00 for it.

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daviscfad
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USA
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Posted - 10/05/2008 :  22:34:40  Show Profile Send daviscfad a Private Message
i agree with most of what was said but i am also interested in number 11... I too do not know how one side could be blank and the other not blank.. makes me think its been tampered with

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just carl
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USA
601 Posts

Posted - 10/06/2008 :  21:32:38  Show Profile Send just carl a Private Message
1, 13 are school experiments.
2, 5, 8, 9, 10 are normal different types of toning depending on what they were exposed to.
3. Damaged by something
4. Normal due to rubbing on something
12. Similar High rims are common on many dimes and no big thing
6. Offsets with dates are running very high right now at coin shows.
7. Chipped edges are also worth a few dollars.
14. Many people are collecting these. They used to be sold in complete sets for displays. Probably due to thefts, many are now in circulation.
11. Is a magicians coin. I have one just like it. A dime fits in there. You place the dime in there and place it in someones hand. Then lift it with a piece of sticky stuff on the bottom of a ring and presto, the cent turns into a dime. Honed out coins are a biggy at magic shops. I've got a Cent, Nickel and Quarter one. Magic shop near me so I visit frequently. Love the 2 headed coins too.

Carl
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Copper Catcher
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USA
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Posted - 10/08/2008 :  11:37:56  Show Profile Send Copper Catcher a Private Message
Thanks for the comments! I think I'm going to send off coins number 1, 10 and 11 to be certified to see what they might say. I'll let you know when I get them back.
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horgad
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USA
1641 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2008 :  12:05:13  Show Profile Send horgad a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Copper Catcher

Thanks for the comments! I think I'm going to send off coins number 1, 10 and 11 to be certified to see what they might say. I'll let you know when I get them back.



1. Pretty sure that is a greased die, money wise it is probably not worth getting it certified. If doing it for your own enjoyment, go for it.

6. Pretty common, but an error

7. It sure looks like a real clip. Place another penny in the curve and it should match pretty well. This happens when the punch that cuts the blanks out of a piece of sheet metal hits a blank after it has aready been made.

10. It has been popular off and on in the past to make bracelets out of silver plated pennies. Don't get it certified.

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11. Freaky...could be similiar to a greased die. There are cases where rags and stuff have gotten in the way. All I can say is look at it under as high as magnification as you can and look for evidence that it has been sanded or polished flat.

By the way, no insult to the board intended, but the there is site where a few of the people have spend years studying penny errors...I would post number 11 there and maybe a couple of the others.

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daviscfad
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USA
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Posted - 10/08/2008 :  23:21:58  Show Profile Send daviscfad a Private Message
Yeah He will be able to tell you But i am sure he will say 11 is a fake but he will be able to explain why it is.. but then again maybe i am wrong.. Chuck will clear it up for you though

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Cody8404
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USA
602 Posts

Posted - 10/09/2008 :  10:27:44  Show Profile Send Cody8404 a Private Message
Looks like a agree with most of what has been said. I don't think any of these are worht enough to get slabbed.

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magnasort
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USA
174 Posts

Posted - 10/09/2008 :  16:51:48  Show Profile Send magnasort a Private Message
number 4 reverse above states almost looks like a dd as the excess metal mimics the lettering, could just be rim damage folded over in those areas. overall condition poor, little numis value

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just carl
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USA
601 Posts

Posted - 10/23/2008 :  09:53:16  Show Profile Send just carl a Private Message
For sure non are worth the expense of having them slabbed. Even if the best of them was a real error it would only bring about $5 to $10 so spending more than that for verification would be a big loss monitarily.

Carl
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