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Dan52
Penny Collector Member
USA
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 Posted - 09/12/2008 : 17:30:00
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I suspect everyone already knows this but here goes. Do y'all count as you sort? I don't. I'd lose track. So your gonna return the zincs, right? And you have to count them right? No. You count the coppers and subtract from whatever amount you started with...usually $25.00. I know everbody new this but..
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PreservingThePast
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1572 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2008 : 18:43:48
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I hand sort and I look at each roll individually. I only open one roll at a time and check first to see if the count is correct. I keep a small jar of coins that I can swap out for any that I might find of interest and want to keep. I search the coins in the roll and if I do find a coin(s) that I want to keep I reach into the jar and replace that coin right away. Then as I reroll the coins, I count again as I am putting the coins in the roll. Hopefully that way I won't make a mistake and short a roll for someone else. I then mark my rolls so that I don't get them back again as I only deal with one main bank. I am keeping stats on what I find of interest, if the roll was short/over, etc. Thanks for the tips on the stats.
I am finding a large percentage of rolls are short these days. The last group of pennies I got was shorted over 30 percent of the rolls. The amount that are over is not significant enough to make up for the loss on the others but for right now I am looking at just having some fun and hope I don't have to stop due to this problem. I did have to stop doing quarter rolls though as that was getting just too expensive for me.
Right now I am searching mainly penny and nickel rolls. Just a few rolls of dimes each week as that adds up too quickly when they are continually shorted. I don't know if these are honest mistakes or if it is deliberate. I have asked my bank and they tell me they are rolls from customers but after reading so many of your posts on here with descriptions of the rolls, I am not certain. To me they look like they are shotgun shells--stiff cardboard with a circular rim on one end. They say Coin-tainer on them.
Is anyone else finding this much shortage? |
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scooter
Penny Pincher Member
240 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2008 : 21:29:48
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Flbandit
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
851 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2008 : 22:02:08
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| I don't re-roll. I just take them in loose. |
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fb101
Administrator
USA
2856 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2008 : 23:03:19
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| As a long time hand sorter, I second that - BUY A RYEDALE. |
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TexasPQ
Penny Sorter Member
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Posted - 09/12/2008 : 23:23:29
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I hand sort in 25 dollar (box) increments. I sort into cups of wheats, foreigns, 1982s, 1959-81 coppers, and zincs. I count the cups after each box and keep a running total. I don't count the zincs. At my bank I can dump the zincs in plastic bags and deposit into the account. Its a lot easier to do this by weight than by count. About 27lbs will come out to 50 dollars in zinc. Find a bank where you can deposit in bags rather than rolls. It will save you a lot of time.
Getting a Ryedale is a valid option but not really needed if you're just doing a few boxes a week.
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HoardCopperByTheTon
Administrator
USA
6807 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2008 : 23:25:34
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Buy 2 Ryedales!
A few tips on the subject. Just toss the loose coins in an automatic coin wrapper after you decide which ones you don't want and have it roll them all up for you. Better yet, just toss them in the coin counter and fill up bags of 5,000 and take them to the bank.
You can also verify your count quickly with a digital scale. If you are rolling up zinc, the roll should weigh about 126 grams is the count is correct.
One solution I found for the short rolls is to take a scale with me and check the weight of the CWR before accepting it. It only takes a few seconds. I had seen way too many short rolls of dimes to think it was always accidental. I also have a bigger scale like vending machine guys use to measure the weight of several rolls all at once and see if the amount is correct.  |
If your percentages are low.. just sort more. If your percentages are high.. just sort more.
Now selling Copper pennies. 1.6x plus shipping. Limited amounts available. |
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Computer Jones
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1112 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2008 : 23:56:23
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I hand sort.
I count the zincs into piles of 10 and put them in rows of 5 as I go through the boxes, CWR's or bags.
I toss the Cu in the keep bucket. I probably should separate the shiners and "S's". I save the Cu cents in 1/2 gallon milk jugs.
When I get 5 or 6 hundred zincs set out in rows on the table I wrap them and mark the roll with a black ring 1/3 from the end around the roll using a Sharpie.
Probably (as if there is a doubt?) a lot slower than a Ryedale, but I get a good look at each cent and have found some worth keeping (everything from a 1909 VBD to wide AM reverse 1999).
It's still fun and I feel like a collector rather than a miner shoveling bucket fulls of "dirt" into a machine. (I'll save that for the rocker and gold bearing streams when I go on "vacation".)
I'll probably regret the chance I missed to "Hoard Copper By The Ton" but I'll have probably amass close to a tonne by the time Cu cents move into the realm of "junk copper" (and the grand kids may even thank me one day).
It boils down to whatever males you happy.
PS-I do envy HCBTT, I wish I had anything close to his stash of Cu or revenue generating operation. I guess I'm just to lazy. |
There's profit if you melt things!!
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HoardCopperByTheTon
Administrator
USA
6807 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2008 : 00:13:58
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Originally posted by Computer Jones
It boils down to whatever males you happy.
PS-I do envy HCBTT, I wish I had anything close to his stash of Cu or revenue generating operation. I guess I'm just to lazy.
I guess I'm lazy too.. that's why I have all those machines to do the work. I am a collector too.. and figured I could find more Indians, wheats, and other interesting coins if I were to process larger volumes.
I started as a hand sorter and bought the first Ryedale and automatic rolling machine with proceeds from the sale of copper cents I had hand sorted. Now I just hoard coin machines.. LOL |
If your percentages are low.. just sort more. If your percentages are high.. just sort more.
Now selling Copper pennies. 1.6x plus shipping. Limited amounts available. |
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jadedragon
Administrator
Canada
3788 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2008 : 00:26:55
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I used to hand sort - and still do when I buy halves, quarters or dimes. I was doing the "stack them up in identical stacks of ten" program, but then I went to the office supply store and got a tray that holds one roll of each type of coin. Just fill the tray slot and that is one roll. Saved a lot of counting. I paid $16 for the tray.
You could get a little chunk of PVC pipe a little bigger inside then a penny. Cap one end and cut the length to match 50 pennies. Fill to the top (without counting anymore) and then just tip the pennies into your coin roll. That is pretty much how a Royal Sov. coin sorter works, plus it sorts coins by type.
There are a number of simple cheap coin handling solutions out there aimed at small businesses but affordable for the casual sorter. Many of us see value in pennies and don't want to spend money needlessly (penny pinchers!). The name of the game here is to increase your capacity to sort while only spending money that will give you a reasonable return in valuable saved time, and/or increased sales revenue. |
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Steiner
Penny Collector Member
Canada
278 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2008 : 01:05:27
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Once we got our RS we did try and hand sort into the tubes with the shotgun shell in them already. We got better speed than the RS, but we, in the end where too lazy. Alas.
BTW I have found with my RS if you tip it using a item about 1/4 to 1/2 of an inch thick on the back legs you improve your odds of not having a jam. |
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jadedragon
Administrator
Canada
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Posted - 09/13/2008 : 04:00:26
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Originally posted by Steiner
Once we got our RS we did try and hand sort into the tubes with the shotgun shell in them already. We got better speed than the RS, but we, in the end where too lazy. Alas.
BTW I have found with my RS if you tip it using a item about 1/4 to 1/2 of an inch thick on the back legs you improve your odds of not having a jam.
Yup - I do that too - and did the same thing with the Ryedale which cut the jams WAY down. Just helping gravity out a little. |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
Administrator
USA
6807 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2008 : 04:02:58
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| On the Ryedale Coin Artist the back legs are adjustable. You can unscrew them a few turns to give the machine that rake. |
If your percentages are low.. just sort more. If your percentages are high.. just sort more.
Now selling Copper pennies. 1.6x plus shipping. Limited amounts available. |
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PreservingThePast
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1572 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2008 : 09:35:50
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Thanks everyone for all of the great advice. I think at this stage in my life I can only afford to hand sort--hopefully that won't end with the continued shortages.
I find the hand sorting relaxing. I love looking at the coins and searching for interesting finds. I too have found a few error coins but they are circulated so not sure they would be worth much. Finding wheat cents is very exciting to me and I also get an occasional foreign coin.
I think I will have to join the club that does NOT believe in any IH in the wild though. Have not seen one and if I ever do, then all of you will probably feel the earth move.  |
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Dan52
Penny Collector Member
USA
422 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2008 : 20:23:14
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After the first time I took in over $50 worth of rolled pennies, my bank told me I could bring them back unrolled. They gave me these super industial strength plastic bags that Brinks uses. You've probably seen them, they are clear. I sort $25 boxes, one at a time. I dump the rolled coins on my desk and first I get the wheats out. For every wheat that comes out, a zinc goes back in. Then, I sort the coppers out. I count the coppers and subtract from $25 which usually leaves approx $19.25 in zinc. That goes in the bag along with a piece of paper with the amount on it. Then once the bag hits $50, I take it to the bank for cash. I've been averaging about 10 boxes per week. I just recently started sorting for the coppers. I have been sorting for wheats for about a year now. Here's what I have so far:
year Number
1958 - 67
1957 - 111
1956 - 122
1955 - 61
1954 - 20
1953 - 71
1952 - 65
1951 - 77
1950 - 45
1949 - 19
1948 - 28
1947 - 22
1946 - 81
1945 - 78
1944 - 107
1943 - 6
1942 - 44
1941 - 23
1940 - 15
1939 - 16
1938 - 2
1937 - 10
1936 - 11
1935 - 3
1934 - 1
1933 - 1
1932 - 1
1931 - 1
1930 - 5
1929 - 1
1928 - 1
1927 - 5
1926 - 3
1925 - 4
1923 - 4
1920 - 10
1919 - 6
1918 - 4 (1)damaged
1917 - 3
1916 - 2
1915 - 1
1911 - 1
1909 - 1
19?? - 4
1904 - 1 (indian penny)
1163 total
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fb101
Administrator
USA
2856 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2008 : 21:08:12
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Ten boxes a week by hand???!!!!!
That deserves an award! |
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scooter
Penny Pincher Member
240 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2008 : 20:34:59
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
3890 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2008 : 20:40:43
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No kidding, 10 a week by hand? Do you do anything else? Freakin' dedicated.... Nice.
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Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
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coppernicus
Penny Collector Member
USA
383 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2008 : 21:45:37
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| I hand sorted my most ever last week (about $480)--- I obviously have no life :) |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
Administrator
USA
6807 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2008 : 22:33:00
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| Wow.. that is some impressive hand sorting! There are guys with machines that do not sort at that level. |
If your percentages are low.. just sort more. If your percentages are high.. just sort more.
Now selling Copper pennies. 1.6x plus shipping. Limited amounts available. |
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Dan52
Penny Collector Member
USA
422 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2008 : 02:35:46
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I don't sort that much every week. I bought 3.8 (one bank only had an opened box ($20))boxes today. I sorted wheats and $7.69 worth of zinc's to complete a $50 return bag from last week. I pick up another 2 boxes today. I'm gonna cut back a little.
Ok this is hugely off topic, but I also collect coke bottle caps. They have a code that you can collect points with. The cardboard containers of 12 and 24 packs also have codes. I live pretty close to a stadium, and the other day I picked up 200 caps for 600 coke reward points. I've bought a telescope, cookware, popular science subscription, and many, many 12 packs free. This over a couple of years, not with the 200 caps I got the other day. They are worth about $12.00. I always find change when I walk around the stadium. So far, no wheats though.
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PreservingThePast
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1572 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2008 : 12:29:45
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Dan52.......Awesome job. Way cool having found that many wheats!!!
I have found about one hundred wheats in the few weeks that I have begun sorting again. And everytime I find one, I kick myself for not having continued doing this from long ago. It just sickens me that I let myself get away from searching for wheats and other interesting things and only just got back to doing this again.
I have the time.....too much time, but I can only sort what I can pick up once a week when I can be driven to my bank. I wiped them out and had to go to one of the branches to get my coins yesterday as everything they had was already marked by me so I know I had searched it. My bank is small and I don't think they do bags or boxes of coins. I don't want to irritate them as they are so nice about letting me swap out my coins each week and patiently look through all of the tellers "banks" to find some that I had not gone through. My area is small and not many banks to choose from.
Continued success as you have fun searching. |
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SANITARIUM_INMATE
Penny Pincher Member
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Posted - 09/16/2008 : 13:37:30
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| I go through about 2 boxes a week by hand. I'm going to ask my bank if they offer the bags for returning the zincs. If I can get into that then I might bump it up to 4 or 5 boxes a week. As far as the 10 boxes a week guy, you have no life it seems. I wish I could go through that many man, jelousy sucks. With my work and 2 kids under the age of 3 take up all my time and I only get a couple hours at home for sorting and the unforgiving task of rolling zincs. I have a sweet job selling parts at a dealership which gives me a little down time but me and my co workers are searching the dollar coins for errors. We've had a lot of luck with those, we had over 300 of the godless dollars when they first came out. They sold nicely. We go through about $500 a week in dollar coins while at work. As a collector then hoarder and error searcher I would much rather keep all the goodies I can find which is why I like to hand sort. The profit off the dollars are good enough to give me plenty of enjoyment for pennies. |
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CoinHunter53562
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1805 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2008 : 16:56:41
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Originally posted by Dan52
I suspect everyone already knows this but here goes. Do y'all count as you sort? I don't. I'd lose track. So your gonna return the zincs, right? And you have to count them right? No. You count the coppers and subtract from whatever amount you started with...usually $25.00. I know everbody new this but..
I go by the assumption that every roll is full and base my percentages from there. After seeing your post though, it seems like 29 cents disappeared somewhere based on the coppers, wheats and Canadian cents I pulled from the last two boxes. Not a big deal though to me...I should ask to see their reject pile next time. I am guessing the missing pieces ended up there. |
My hobby: collecting real money 1 copper cent or nickel at a time.
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CoinHunter53562
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1805 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2008 : 17:00:25
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Originally posted by Computer Jones
I hand sort.
I count the zincs into piles of 10 and put them in rows of 5 as I go through the boxes, CWR's or bags.
I toss the Cu in the keep bucket. I probably should separate the shiners and "S's". I save the Cu cents in 1/2 gallon milk jugs.
When I get 5 or 6 hundred zincs set out in rows on the table I wrap them and mark the roll with a black ring 1/3 from the end around the roll using a Sharpie.
Probably (as if there is a doubt?) a lot slower than a Ryedale, but I get a good look at each cent and have found some worth keeping (everything from a 1909 VBD to wide AM reverse 1999).
It's still fun and I feel like a collector rather than a miner shoveling bucket fulls of "dirt" into a machine. (I'll save that for the rocker and gold bearing streams when I go on "vacation".)
I'll probably regret the chance I missed to "Hoard Copper By The Ton" but I'll have probably amass close to a tonne by the time Cu cents move into the realm of "junk copper" (and the grand kids may even thank me one day).
It boils down to whatever males you happy.
PS-I do envy HCBTT, I wish I had anything close to his stash of Cu or revenue generating operation. I guess I'm just to lazy.
I check for varieties too but not all. My piles go like this: to the left are pre 82 coppers, to the right zincs, to the top go 1982's in one pile, wheats in another pile, Canadian/foreign in another pile. I also push aside 1983 (doubled die reverse), 1984 (doubled die ear lobe), and 1998/1999/2000 (check for wide AM). I dont look for other varieties like 1995 doubled die, or 1992 has some variety. |
My hobby: collecting real money 1 copper cent or nickel at a time.
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Dan52
Penny Collector Member
USA
422 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2008 : 19:13:24
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Note to "Preserving the past" you can ask your bank for a standard weekly order of pennies. I have a order at one bank to pick up two boxes ($50.00) every tuesday. All banks get coins delivered and/or picked up, so its no trouble to them other than the fact that a box of pennies is somewhat heavy. I only have an order in at one bank, the other banks are just used to me coming in.
Note to "Sanitarium inmate", you are right, I have no life. I use to have a life but some issues came up.
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