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klava
Penny Pincher Member
USA
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 Posted - 09/07/2008 : 13:14:58
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Hello all. Was looking through the few can coins I have while watchign the race and had a few questions. I figure with the knowledge here it would be easier than trying to research.
1)Are the cents with George on the front pretty much like our wheats here in the US? Do they command a premium.
2)I noticed that some cents and nickels have kinda squared shape to them while others do not. Is there any reason for this. The only reason I ask is because some cents I have it seems some years have them and some dont but there are years inbetween that are just round.
3) Does Whitman make coin books for Can coins? I would like to keep my CRH coins in them. I remember doing a search awhile back but only found the expensive ones. Im looking to get just a cheap folder.
4) Whats the best website to read about Can coins? And does anyone know of a good place to check values? If not is their a Can version of the Red Book.
Im sure these questions may seem novice but I really know nothing of Can money. Thanks in advance for any help.
-K
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jadedragon
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Canada
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Posted - 09/07/2008 : 15:26:25
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Prices stated are from Coins of Canada 2008 edition by Haxby and Willey. They represent a retail price guide, not necessarily what you can sell for.
1) Are the cents with George on the front pretty much like our wheats here in the US? Do they command a premium.
George V (crowned king) small cents run 1920-1936. Common VG-8 coins are listed at 30 cents. Key dates are 1922 ($13.00 even in G-4) 1923 ($24 in G-4 to over $3000 in BU-63Red) and 1925 ($20 in G-4 to $1500 in BU-63 Red)
George VI (bareheaded king) cover the period from 1937-1952. The command a premium in all grades listing at 10 to 40 cents in VG-8. 1937 and 1944 are the semi key dates worth on the upper end of the range.
I might add that the 1967 rock dove penny is very common and lists at only .15 in Uncirculated condition. That said, I saw a circulated roll sell on eBay for well over face-which just proves that people will buy anything on ebay.
The market for older Canadian pennies is not as well organized as that for wheats because it is smaller, but I am sure you could find some buyers.
2)I noticed that some cents and nickels have kinda squared shape to them while others do not. Is there any reason for this. The only reason I ask is because some cents I have it seems some years have them and some dont but there are years in between that are just round.
First the pennies. The RCM experminted with a smaller penny in 1978 trying a 16mm test coin. The similarity in size to Toronto Transit tokens set back the project.
In 1980 & 1981 the weight of the Canadian penny was reduced from 3.25 grams to 2.8 grams to deal with the cost issue. (The US discontinued 95% copper during 1982 due to the same cost issues). All pennies through 1981 are round.
In 1982 the RCM further modified the penny to a 12 sided design weighing 2.50 grams, but containing the same 98% Cu content. 0.3 grams of copper might seem like a small deal, but chopping off the twelve little pieces saved a huge amount of money for the government. This design lasted until 1996. An official stated reason for the 12 sided coin was to help the blind tell it apart from the lighter dime, but that reason can't be too important since the RCM moved back to round coins in 1997.
In 1997 the RCM was forced to move to 2.25 gram Copper plated Zinc (somewhat different mix then the US Zinc cent - enough that the Ryedale can tell the two apart.) In 2002 the RCM moved to a 2.35 gram Cu plated steel, while continuing to make Cu plated zinc pennies as well, perhaps depending on reletive metal values of zinc vs steel. All steel and zinc coins are round as well. I suspect that this is because round coins are just easier to make, and as the blanks are stamped from sheets then plated, it is just easier to stamp and handle round blanks.
The RCM's decision to reduce total weight in copper pennies rather then follow the US Mint to Zinc in 1982 gives us much better copper yields in Canadian penny sorting.
Nickels are a differant story. In 1942 the war effort placed a premium on Nickel for armour. The RCM changed the composition from pure Ni to "Tombac (88% Cu 12% Zn) which quickly tarnished to look similar to pennies. Therefore the RCM changed the nickel to a 12-Side design. Tombac was replaced with chromium plated steel in 1944-45 because copper and zinc were needed for the war effort.
The twelve sided design proved popular and was continued until 1963 when they switched back to round nickels due to production issues with the 12-Sided coins.
Canada now uses an 11 sided Dollar coin called the Loonie. The 11 sided shape is supposed to help the blind and machines in identifying the coin.
3) Does Whitman make coin books for Can coins? I would like to keep my CRH coins in them. I remember doing a search awhile back but only found the expensive ones. Im looking to get just a cheap folder.
Yes there are older versions of Canadian Coin books, but the currently made ones I've bought are just multiple plastic pockets bound together, with the mintages shown on a list on the inside cover. Uni-safe is the brand name. You can cheaply make your own book by inserting generic plastic penny pages into a binder and print out your own mintage list found online.
4) What's the best website to read about Can coins? And does anyone know of a good place to check values? If not is their a Can version of the Red Book.
I like the no non-sense You must be logged in to see this link. site because they have clear explanations and show actual values on the higher grade coins worth $1.00 plus. eBay is a good place to see actual values on lots of older, low value coins. I bought the 2008 Coins of Canada by Haxby and Willey. However for an American casual collector online resources should be ok.
Good luck collecting Canadian coins. There is a lot of interesting history as the Canadian pennies and nickels have changed as a result of world events (WWI, WWII, and Korean War, independance of India,, metal prices, technology changes like the creation of plated coins by the RCM, and changes to the face side as we moved through 3 kings (one never had coins issued in his name here, but represented by a tiny maple leaf) and an ever aging Queen Elizabeth II.
Just one of the interesting things you can find - get your hands on a 1943-1945 Canadian V Nickel. The rim deniticles are actually Morse Code that spells "WE WIN WHEN WE WORK WILLINGLY". I think that is pretty cool.
Compare this to one design change in US pennies (wheat to memorial) in 99 years, and one experiment with steel in 1943. Jeffs have also been very consistant except for the 4 recent varieties and the siver war nickels. |
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klava
Penny Pincher Member
USA
192 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2008 : 00:27:35
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Thanks a bunch. Im not looking to sell. Was just wanting a good idea of whats valuable. Im gonna try to complete as much of a set as I can out of circ here in the states. May be hard to do since I find about the same amount of wheats as I do can's which isnt a crazy amount but It will be fun. I have tow cents with george on them I think they are both later dates though.
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klava
Penny Pincher Member
USA
192 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2008 : 00:45:52
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For those that are interested I finally found some whitman folders for canadian coins:-) I like them cause they are cheap and I will be trying to do the collection from circulation here in the states. Heres small cents does from 20-88.
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I found ones for all the other can cons on amazon too. I think Ill see if my local mom and pops bookstore can order them for me though:-)
They have a bunch listed on Whitmans site dont know how I missed it the first time. Must have been sleep searching lol
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klava
Penny Pincher Member
USA
192 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2008 : 00:54:27
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| Not sure if im talking to myself but it seems they only have listed cents, quarters and dollars. So Im not sure if they make nickel and dime folders. Okay im done lol |
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jadedragon
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Canada
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Posted - 09/09/2008 : 10:14:09
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| Cool - i've been hoping to find books like that - never thought to look on amazon. Those should have the lock in place coin slots and the dates below. I'm going to stock up. Let me know if you ever need some semi-key dates or anything. i likely have it in my large penny collection. |
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Cerulean
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Posted - 09/09/2008 : 13:11:27
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| I've wanted to put my Canadian collection in folders, too. I've considered using blank Whitman folders, but I'd miss that professional appearance that printed folders would have. Glad to know there are Canadian folders out there. |
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klava
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192 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2008 : 14:28:31
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| You can also order directly from Whitmans website. Im kinda sad they dont have 5 cent and 10 cent but Ill take what they have lol |
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jadedragon
Administrator
Canada
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Posted - 09/09/2008 : 14:50:42
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Could always send Whitman an email asking about Canadian 5 and 10 cent books. Maybe just out of stock? Canadian dimes are pretty boring - only 1967 (fish) and the 2001 year of volunteer coin don't have the bluenose ship. Also there are very few silver ones still out there to be found. You must be logged in to see this link.(Canadian_coin) Makes for boring collecting - could assemble the 1967 to current set in maybe one or two boxes sorted.
I would be very interested in the 5 cent book - lots of interesting changes in Canadian nickels over the years.
If you want Canadian Pennies to search, I could probably supply a few loose bags of solid Canadian Copper for you to search through :) Or win my Who Gets Seized Next contest and remind me what you are interested in and I'll send you a nice King penny Collection. |
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klava
Penny Pincher Member
USA
192 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2008 : 15:17:53
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| Yeah I may email them later when I have time. PM sent about the latter. |
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Bluegill
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1964 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2008 : 16:20:19
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The Barnes and Noble by me has all the Whitman folders for Canadian coins. They also carry the Littleton and Harris brands too.
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just carl
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2008 : 11:12:34
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Don't know much about Canadian Coins but everytime I get one I put it in a plastic roll. I have lots of those rolls of cents, dimes and quarters. I gave all my Canadian Nickels to a kid.
As to folders for your coins. Please distinquish between folders ands albums. Note a folder is a folder with slots for your coins. No rear visibility. The process in making them is to add glue to continuous sheets of paper and then placing the slotted cardboard for the coins on that piece of glued paper. This is why the rear of the slots is usually shinny. If your coins are exposed to any high humidity, the glue tends to absorb thiss moisture and effects your coins. Also, since the slots are made in a rather pyrimid shape you must force the coins into the slots. Pressing on coins with your thumb leaves all kinds of finger prints on the coins.
It is always better to use the albums where both sides of your coins are visible and they are protected with those plasttic slides.
You can order or buy the blank album covers by Whitman as well as the pages for most denominations. Whitman used to sell and probably still does pages of press on Gold looking letters and numbers. On the Album cover you could press on Nickels for example. On each blank page you could press on the dates of the coins you place in the albums. The press on letters and numbers are on sheets and require a stick, popsicle type stick included, to press them on to the album pages. The good part is they look just like they were there from the factory. The really bad part is to make the dates all line up correctly. I mean you may have to use a 18 and a 3 and a 7 from the sheets and lining them up for the press on is a real pain if your old and irritable with time usage.
I've done this with several albums I made for my own purposes. One is a Dime album that holds Liberty Dimes, Mercury Dimes and many years of Roosevelt Dimes. I managed to get 11 pages in the album and all have the press on dates. I did get a little smart though and ended up just putting the last part of the dates on. In other words I lefet off the 19 in the dates. |
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