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Frugi
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 10:45:21
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With all the enviromentalist groups, child advocacy, federal legislation, natural resource groups, wildlife managements, department of fish and game LEAD is being touted as harmful to enviroment and has got to go.
Get all you can now---soon you wont be able to buy it legaly.
I brought this up under a different topic; the only reason I am saying it again is lead was on a steady increase for about 2 months before halting for over 2 months. It's price did not go up or down by more than $0.01----Well Gues what it went up Today by $0.02---bigger things to come.
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Ardent Listener
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 Posted - 10/05/2006 : 10:52:14
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If you won't be able to get it will you be able to sell it?
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Frugi
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 12:05:07
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As soon as you wont be able to get it, who would want to sell it. Within the United states you will NEVER again be able to buy it in a retail/wholesale setting. They are also planning doing away with lead shot, bullets, and fishing sinkers, etc.
You would have no problem selling it to the right people at a hefty premium; or you could just keep it and use it yourself. It is extremely dense so you can fit more in smaller places and it melts at a very low temperature so it it easy to form into usable things (bullets)
P.S. Silver also makes a great bullet- just cast bullets and wait if you ever need to use it to survive you can literally and if not you can always sell it at melt.
And if anybody ever tries to take your silver you can give it to 'em one round at a time.
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Metalophile
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 13:13:06
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How will they be able to outlaw lead-acid batteries? They're ubiquitous.
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Metalophile
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 13:14:45
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Well, after I wrote the last reply, I thought, "They're already trying to outlaw carbon dioxide. They'll find a way to outlaw lead somehow."
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Frugi
Administrator
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2006 : 16:38:57
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Lead went up $0.01 today
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Frugi
Administrator
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2006 : 16:44:01
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I just looked at kitco again and now nickel is up $0.24 today.
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pencilvanian
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 20:36:22
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OK, this is pretty good news to know.
Of course, the anti-lead do-gooders seem to forget that lead is a naturally occurring metal.
It doesn’t get created in the lab or factory, but is found in the ground.
It can be found if you are prospecting for gold or silver. Silver is usually found with lead, so a prospecting trip will enable a metals searcher to find either silver, lead or both. I’ll have to look around to see if there are any abandoned lead mines or sources of lead in PA for future reference.
Isn’t pewter a lead alloy?
If it is, then buying up pewter objects cheap might be a good idea, financially speaking.
I suppose you could make some real nice lead soldiers out of pewter and sell them for a fair price |
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pencilvanian
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 20:43:27
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Some pewter has lead, some don't
could pewter be used as a lead substitute for ammo?
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Pewter is a metal alloy,
Traditionally, there were three grades of pewter:
fine, for eatingware, with 96-99 percent tin, and 1-4 percent copper;
trifle, also for eating and drinking utensils but duller in appearance, with 92 percent tin, 1-4 percent copper, and up to 4 percent lead;
and lay or ley metal, not for eating or drinking utensils, which could contain up to 15 percent lead.
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Common compositions for Babbitt alloys:
90% tin 10% copper
89% tin 7% antimony 4% copper
80% lead 15% antimony 5% tin |
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Frugi
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USA
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 21:06:47
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The main issue being pressed is that birds are eating lead shot and dying and apparently its very common and becoming a big problem, and lead sinkers are contaminating the water supply and supposedly some fish are turning up on dinner plates with considerable amounts of lead.
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Posted - 10/08/2006 : 02:14:15
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I just though of something, might be worth considering. Just as lead is naturally occuring so is asbestos, there used to be asbestos mines. At some point you probably couldn't buy asbestos, now if you have it the EPA will have to come and get it. Which makes it worse than worth zero because the more you have the bigger the fee to take it away from you safely.
Just me, thinking out loud, probably entirely different as the main problem with asbestos is dust you breath in, so as long as you aren't licking the lead bars, probably safe...and if the EPA at some point won't let you have it, should be all they have to do is wear gloves to handle the bars, not like they need respirators and containers like they do to haul away asbestos. |
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Frugi
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Posted - 11/03/2006 : 10:15:36
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Lead is up to $0.79 a pound. Amazing......
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Frugi
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Posted - 11/03/2006 : 10:17:15
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When I started this topic lead was at $0.55 a pound!
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Metalophile
Penny Collector Member
USA
320 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2006 : 11:04:21
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I'm going to have to buy those golf cart batteries for my emergency power system soon, before the battery manufacturers pass on the price increase (assuming they haven't done so already!)
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Posted - 11/03/2006 : 15:41:44
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Do you have to physically buy metals lead/copper/silver/gold, etc., or can you buy them as commodities or futures (not that I have an account capable of trading commodities and futures)? Or is there like a metal stock or bond or something? Like buying stock in a company you just buy the X number of shares and you own that many shares but basically all you have is a piece of paper (or electronic now-a-days) that says you hold X shares of whatever company.
I'm sure there are probably mutual funds or something that just buy copper/silver/gold or whatever but can you buy just the metal and somebody else physically holds it? To be more on topic say I want 100 lbs of lead at $0.80/lb + commission, can you do that? That would save you from having your dog find the hoard and licking it and takes the risk of if it becomes like asbestos and you have to pay the EPA to remove it rather than it just being worth $0, at least it's physically stored elsewhere so you probably wouldn't have that to worry about (Yes, I realize this is counter-TSHTF, thinking as you don't phyically pocess the metal so if TSHTF you're screwed).
Actually, mostly I'm curious if I can type in a ticker symbol on my stock portfolio watch list so I can watch the market on metals move even if I don't own them rather than finding a specific website and going there separately. Is my question making any sense? |
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pencilvanian
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 11/03/2006 : 21:38:20
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Your questions do make a lot of sense, eccentric.
Basically you are asking what we are all thinking, “How can I get in on this without storing the metal myself?”
Commodities is a game best left for the big boys to play.
I once bought the information packet on how to trade in commodities and make a killing,
unfortunately, the only killing an amateur commodity buyer makes is killing his or her own financial existence.
Unlike stocks, if the commodity goes down in price, the commodities investor not only loses what he or she invested but MUST make up the difference in what the price fell to, which can run into thousands of dollars.
Best bet, let the pros ruin themselves in commodities.
As for which stocks to buy to get in on the metals game you are betting on a gold or base metals producer to keep making profits for its shareholders.
I hate to give any stock advice, since so many got efff’d up with Enron and all, but I can suggest you look into Phelps Dodge, the big copper producer as a Potential stock buy, (I don’t own any Phelps dodge so I can mention it for Information Purposes Only)
Sometimes on
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Under press releases or news, there are stories of metals producers, miners, processors, etc. just do research, research, and more research before buying. Don’t bet the farm on any one stock, but if you are interested, buy a mix of stocks to spread out the risk.
I can tell you to keep away from,
penny stocks or the junior gold mines or junior base metals mines.
What is a junior? Think Dot Com that digs in the ground. They haven’t found metals yet but they will because they are confident that they will.
Again, let the big boys with deep pockets fool with junior gold and silver and base metals mines and take the tax write off if the mines go belly up.
Reminder: all information is presented here to assist forum members, I am NOT a broker nor am I trying to tell you what to buy, that is your decision, and yours alone. If you feel uncomfortable buying stick, then forget about it and keep to coins and bullion. Bullion and coins, unlike stocks, isn’t effected by the GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, or the GAAP between the truth and the spin doctor’s truth.) |
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Canadian_Nickle
Penny Hoarding Member
Canada
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Posted - 11/04/2006 : 18:07:06
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| I'm pretty sure you can go to any marina or boating supply store and buy lead balast at close to melt cost. It's usually cast in neatly shaped ingots or puzzle-like pieces that can fit together, and sometimes it's even vacuume coated with some watertight plastic layer. You could just buy a bunch of balast and bury in in your lawn - then you'd have access to a bunch of lead if you need to sell it once the price goes up, or melt it down for bullets if the SHTF |
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Posted - 11/06/2006 : 17:41:14
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pencilvanian,
I rambled a little at the beginning, mostly wondering if there was a simple way to track metal prices by putting it on a yahoo, msn moneycentral, or whatever portfolio in a "watch" section so I could watch all sorts of metals go up/down in the same window I'm watching stocks that are going up and down in. Basically, all in one place rather than going to several sites.
Or say I have 100 lbs of lead, I just type into the portfolio I have that much physically and the price I bought it for so I can watch if I'm making or losing money on the physical asset. Basically that's what I was looking for. I know enough to stay out of commodities. Wondering if there was a ticker symbol for commodities and if not then a ticker for something the invests only in a particular metal.
Canadian_Nickle,
Hmmm, I'm going to guess the EPA declares my house a superfund site if I bury lead in the backyard. Well, only if they find out... |
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pencilvanian
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 11/06/2006 : 19:44:23
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My apologies, eccentric, I misinterpreted the question, as usual.
I do not know if there is a ticker symbol or sample portfolio for metals, sorry. |
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Canadian_Nickle
Penny Hoarding Member
Canada
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Posted - 11/07/2006 : 17:07:13
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just carl
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 12/14/2006 : 13:07:43
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There are still lead/acid batteries being produced. There are still lead sinkers for fishing avaiable everywhere I know of. Lead bullets are excessively common around here. Lead covered cable is still being used due to its protection against weathering. Lead covered Copper Ground cable is extensively used by power stations and large factories for grounding and lightning protection so as to ward off Copper thefts. Lead weights are still being used for tire balancing everywhere. There is a company in Ireland that still makes moulds for producing Lead Soldiers called Prince August. There are also distributers of these moulds and even Lead for thier usage right hear in this country. I myself have numerous moulds for such items and virtually hundreds of pounds of Lead.
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just carl
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 18:45:56
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Today I decided to check out the possibilities that Lead is getting scarce. It was kind of a holiday so I went to a few places called Walmart, Kmart, Homedepot, Menards, Ace Hardware and looked for Lead solder. Every place had it. Ace hardware had about 30 to 40 varieties of Lead Solder including Silver Lead. Then I checked with my neighbor that works as a mechanic. Asked if they still use lead weights for balancing tires. He said is there anything else? Now I called a freind that works with cable companies and asked if they still produce lead covered cable. Of course he said. Why not? So a freind of mine and myself went to our usual gun range and asked there as we commensed shooting lead bullets. Same thing. All the lead bullets you want.
So where is this lead no-no thing coming from????????
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LarryB
New Member
Canada
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 Posted - 02/11/2007 : 12:52:17
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Howdy boys, I've been a fisherman for a long time and I heard about the lead problem at least 7 or 8 years ago. Last year, up here in Canada, it was very hard to find a regular lead sinker on the tackle shelves , already. They're mosty all some composite of tin now, I think. So, somehow the people that make all these dorky new laws have struck again, in the lead department. At least up here in Kanuksville where I'm from. I've been holding on to all the lead I come across for about the last five years, just in case. Old tire weights, and old sinkers I salvage when the water goes down in the fall in my home river, all add up fast when tossed in an empty pail or big ol' coffee can.
Larry
Gettin' Rich... Slowly
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Frugi
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Posted - 02/13/2007 : 17:39:54
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I bet most of what we in US think is lead is actually a tin composite, especially fishing lures and the like.
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Metalophile
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 02/17/2007 : 07:27:42
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Here's a lead update from the state of Kalifornica. I saw this on an e-mail bulletin from NRA-ILA (legislative action wing of NRA). It seems this is not even in the hands of the Kalifornica legislature, but their Game and Fish Commission can just rule it illegal to use!
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PROPOSED LEAD BAN IN CALIFORNIA
When it meets on March 2, the California Fish and Game Commission will consider amending the state's hunting regulations for 2007-2010 to ban or limit the use of lead ammunition for hunting in the range of the California condor. The Department of Fish and Game suggested three alternatives to the Commission: ban the use of lead ammunition for big game hunting; ban the use of lead ammunition statewide; or offer hunters incentives to voluntarily use non-lead ammunition.
Comments can be sent to the Commission by mail at: 1416 Ninth Street, P.O. Box 944209, Sacramento, CA 94244-2090, or by contacting the Commission through its website at You must be logged in to see this link.
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Frugi
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Posted - 02/19/2007 : 12:52:53
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Lead has went up these past few days by about $0.06 ; It is now up to $0.81 and the outlook is good. I foresee a minimum of $1.00 /lb. by 01-01-08.
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