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Robarons
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 Posted - 07/26/2010 : 13:48:26
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I found a 1914-D while going thru some wheats a couple days ago and need help before I can truly celebrate! (and its driving me crazy!)
I found a 1914-D that was an altered 1944-D once so I aint jumping for joy yet! Heres some pictures:
I was told the D doesnt look right and might be too low. Also it looks like it might have been glued on.
I cannot find the VDB on his shoulder or the die crack that are supposed to be present on 1914-D's but they could have been worn away, I cant see it. I put the coin straight into a 2x2 flip so its hard to find those details!
Help out guys- so I can party (or be disappointed)!!!!! Its driving me nuts!
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beauanderos
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Copper Catcher
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 13:58:52
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I'd sent it off to get graded in a heart beat! If you are not a member of PCGS you might want to try ANACS:
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If you found it in circulation...your investment is .01 so there is not much downside. :-) If you are too stressed out by it all toss in on here and auction it off raw. I'd be happy to place a bid! :-)
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battlecat
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 14:39:02
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| It does not look low at all to me, But it does look filled? Can you get a better scan? |
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Aristobolus
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daviscfad
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 18:16:59
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| its a 1914 but i cant see the D enough to know if its legit or not. |
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Copper Catcher
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 19:52:32
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| Do you want to sell it? |
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fb101
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 21:26:30
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| I'd definitely get it graded; As far as the D too low, can't really tell. Good luck! |
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copperhead57
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USA
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 21:32:06
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CONGRATULATIONS!!! 
From what I see in the picture, there is a good chance that it is a genuine 1914-D. It appears to be in the VG-FINE grade range, and has no noticeable problems. This should help in determining if it is authentic. If you know any reputable dealers, they might be able to tell you if it is genuine.
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Edited by - copperhead57 on 07/28/2010 20:05:39 |
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beauanderos
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JJM
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 18:35:41
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congrats, cool find!
i wouldn't get is slabbed, take the money and buy a better camera instead. ;-) there's still a market for non-slabbed coins as well, thankfully.
the D should look like the D on a 1913, compare the insides. also look for evidence of a die crack out towards the rim, between the bust and the edge. below the 1 if memory serves me correctly (easy to confirm via google but you've already done that i'm sure). don't remember if they all had this, or simply most of them however... make sure there's no VDB in the modern location as well.
so how does the coin measure up? |
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uthminsta
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 20:20:58
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That is absolutely great. LEagues better than any find I've ever had.
I obviously don't speak for everyone here, but there are only 2 ways I would feel comfortable obtaining a 1914D:
1) in my searches, for 1 cent... or...
2) in a slab.
I say that because I believe that if you tried to sell it, you would have much less trouble if it were authenticated by a third party service. On the other hand, if you don't intend to sell it, then why bother slabbing it, except to satisfy your curiosity. And to keep you from going mad. Seems worth it for that alone.
To speak specifically about what I see on your coin, this is not an altered 44D. The bad spacing on one of those fakes is obvious to even the naked eye. But the D is hard to tell without a live specimen to examine. Or GREAT photography. |
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rakattack
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 20:45:41
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Originally posted by Aristobolus
Here are some EBAY coins for comparison:
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The D looks good to me. However, Ronald Reagan always said, "Trust, but verify".
Really you need some better pictures to be able to determine.
Aristobolus, eBay coins are NOT a good way to tell if your coin is real or not. Especially for key dates. There are so many fake Chinese coins on there it isn't even funny.
Robarons, bring it to your local dealer. |
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Robarons
Penny Hoarding Member
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 01:51:17
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Thanks for all the responses!
Sorry for not keeping a steady hand with taking pictures- esp. of coins. I really do not know how to take very good close ups, I used the super macro function with a 10x loupe for the picture with the date. So any tips to get a better view will help!
I did take this to a local dealer of mine and he viewed it under a microscope and said the font of the D was a little off. He would not purchase it unless it was graded. Another friend of mine said the D looked a little low. I have tried you compare my coin with the guides online- but it didnt help much.
There is supposed to be this special die crack on all 1914-D's that I cant Quite spot- a sign of a fake. However I am trying to view it through this old 2x2 flip- it was a King George V flip recycled =) so its dirty and what not. When I found the coin it went straight into said flip as well.
The idea of ANACS grading the one coin is a good idea in my opinion- but the 1 month wait time is un-attractive and their policy of 'fake or altered' coins bothers me- they keep them or give them to the Govt.
I plan on taking it to a couple more dealers I know to get more opinions as well as trying to take a new picture. If it does turn out to be the Real McCoy I will be quite happy but would have to make a decision to keep such an expensive coin with bills to be paid!
Thanks!
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 06:10:49
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Pull it out of the flip to photograph/check it better. It was loose all these years, what's a few minutes more?
Deal
p.s. If legit, keep it to fill a hole, but always entertain the idea of trading up. That's how I got my decent '14 D, although it has a tiny scratch.... |
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uthminsta
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 14:42:04
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| If you have a flatbed scanner, place it directly on the scanner and scan it at a high resolution. Always works like a charm for me! |
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Robarons
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 15:25:20
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I have a scanner but its one of those 3-in-1 deals that is a printer/scanner/copier? type thing.
Is there a way to specify make it high res? |
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brian0918
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 15:31:16
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| Yes, there is almost always a setting for increasing the DPI or Resolution. Search their help file if you can't find it. |
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uthminsta
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 17:11:54
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| That is the type of scanner I have. Usually when you open the scanner some type of menu comes up. In my experience, you can set it to something like 300 DPI, 600, 1200, 2400 or whatever. The highest settings are not always the best... just experiment with it a few times and you should come up with good results. |
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battlecat
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 18:14:01
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| Also turn the lights off in the room and scan it with the lid open |
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rexmerdinus
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Posted - 08/02/2010 : 00:10:02
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I also find that if you can angle the coin slightly off the plane of the scanner's glass, so that the light hits it at a very slight angle, the features are defined a little better. I like to place another coin of the same thickness just beneath the very edge of the coin you're scanning, to lift it a bit.
This doesn't make the coin's features look any sharper than they actually are, it just makes them a little easier to see on a two-dimensional screen. |
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Beau
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Posted - 08/08/2010 : 00:42:50
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the D was put on the coins by hand and was sometimes accidentally right, but most of the time the D could have been any place, some were even in the date.
this was done for years if anyone knows when it changed please jump in here, but I KNOW IT was SOMETIME IN THE 60`S OR 70`s.
there was an article in coin world about it.
GOOD LUCK
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abe
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Posted - 08/08/2010 : 10:12:47
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| The die crack is a very tiny one. It is directly below the 1st 1 in the date, between the rim and the lower bust. We could tell a whole lot more if it were out of its holder. |
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uthminsta
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Posted - 08/08/2010 : 23:48:01
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| Any decision on whether you're gonna send it in to be graded/authenticated? I was just updating the pre-40 Lincoln tracking thread and thought of this. Was this found in your copper sorting? |
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rakattack
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Posted - 08/08/2010 : 23:49:36
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| I don't see why EACH AND EVERY fake 1914D would have the same die crack. There are multitudes of countries and independent basement forgers that are making these coins. I don't see how every forger could possibly have the same die set. |
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uthminsta
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Posted - 08/09/2010 : 00:19:46
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Originally posted by rakattack I don't see why EACH AND EVERY fake 1914D would have the same die crack. There are multitudes of countries and independent basement forgers that are making these coins. I don't see how every forger could possibly have the same die set.
I'm assuming you are referring to this:
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Originally posted by Robarons There is supposed to be this special die crack on all 1914-D's that I cant Quite spot- a sign of a fake.
I think what he's saying is that it's a sign of a fake if it DOESN'T have this die crack. Because the 1914D coins were all from the same die pair? Or only a very few. |
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