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Copper Catcher
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 07:02:57
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Part Time Coin Processor Apply Now
Company: Brink's Canada Location: Etobicoke, ON
We have an immediate opening for three (3) Part Time Coin Processors. The incumbents will operate and maintain the coin wrapping and rolling machines and other coin sorting machines as required in the Alloy Recovery Program (ARP) coin processing operation. 2 Shifts/Week Required: Sunday – 12:00 PM to 10:30 PM Friday – 12:00 PM to 10:30 PM This position will be located within the Brink’s Toronto (Etobicoke) facility and will be reporting to the ARP Supervisor. Scope * Operate the Coin Sorting and ATL machines to the specified standards * Regulate equipment by setting and adjusting controls * Resolve production problems by altering processes to meet specifications * Ensure operation of equipment by completing preventative maintenance requirements * Ensure safety, quality and efficiency is...
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Is has been reported here before how Canada, for many years now, has been pulling all the older coins from circulation i.e. copper and nickel so they could send it off to be melted, I thought I'd share some additional information as well:
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from page 35 ... The Alloy Recovery Program (ARP) and coin recycling continued to enjoy profitable growth. Revenues from the ARP were $55.4 million in 2008 compared to $36.8 million in 2007, partially driven by a 133% increase in the volume of coins delivered to the Mint for recycling. The Mint’s revenues from ARP were protected from plummeting base metal prices by a strategic hedging program established in 2007;
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gollum40
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 09:06:30
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quote: Originally posted by Copper Catcher
Part Time Coin Processor Apply Now
Company: Brink's Canada Location: Etobicoke, ON
We have an immediate opening for three (3) Part Time Coin Processors. The incumbents will operate and maintain the coin wrapping and rolling machines and other coin sorting machines as required in the Alloy Recovery Program (ARP) coin processing operation. 2 Shifts/Week Required: Sunday – 12:00 PM to 10:30 PM Friday – 12:00 PM to 10:30 PM This position will be located within the Brink’s Toronto (Etobicoke) facility and will be reporting to the ARP Supervisor. Scope * Operate the Coin Sorting and ATL machines to the specified standards * Regulate equipment by setting and adjusting controls * Resolve production problems by altering processes to meet specifications * Ensure operation of equipment by completing preventative maintenance requirements * Ensure safety, quality and efficiency is...
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Is has been reported here before how Canada, for many years now, has been pulling all the older coins from circulation i.e. copper and nickel so they could send it off to be melted, I thought I'd share some additional information as well:
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Also as reported earlier: You must be logged in to see this link.
from page 35 ... The Alloy Recovery Program (ARP) and coin recycling continued to enjoy profitable growth. Revenues from the ARP were $55.4 million in 2008 compared to $36.8 million in 2007, partially driven by a 133% increase in the volume of coins delivered to the Mint for recycling. The Mint’s revenues from ARP were protected from plummeting base metal prices by a strategic hedging program established in 2007;
Does anyone think the US government or fed are doing the same thing? If not, I'm surprised, but also very GLAD! |
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Copper Catcher
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 10:37:14
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The U.S. Government would be stupid not to! Obviously, the technology is already in place and I'm sure Brinks has made a proposal, it is only “common cents.” Pun intended!
Likewise since the Treasury Department has been tasked in the lasted Presidential budget to come up with alternative metal alloys for coinage, plans should already be in place for alloy recovery efforts. In my opinion, they are, but not advertising the fact. I doubt Canada did when they first started either.
If the Mint is pulling out copper, well all will notice a decline in percentages I think within a year or less. It is a game of wait and see.
What are the percentages in Canada now I wonder?
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beauanderos
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 10:47:53
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Tell you what. If I start getting boxes of pure zincs (skunks) I will quit sorting. All the more reason to hit it hard while we can, sort, sort, sort, stockpile, stockpile, stockpile. NDFARMER has the right idea, but he'll get a much better price for his million cents down the road when the CU ones disappear  |
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PennySaved
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USA
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 11:40:47
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| With that job, do you think you could make a deal with them that they pay you in copper cents? :-) |
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Spikeanator6982
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USA
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 12:24:43
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quote: Originally posted by Copper Catcher
The U.S. Government would be stupid not to! Obviously, the technology is already in place and I'm sure Brinks has made a proposal, it is only “common cents.” Pun intended!
But at the same time, it costs the mint over 1 cent to make a cent. It seems I read its almost even double what the penny is worth. If they pulled copper cents to replace with new pennies, it would cost about the same to make a new one then the copper in the old one is/was worth currently. So currently it doesn't make sense for the mint to pull them out when they would have to replace them for about the same price. I don't really see the government "investing" in cu pennies by pulling them out now and melting them later. |
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fasTTcar
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 13:13:22
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They are not doing it with copper.
They are pulling all the nickel and CuNi coins and replacing them with nickel plated steel.
As an example a pre 2001 quarter with 12 cents worth of nickel in it is pulled out and they are replacing it with a 2010 quarter with 2 cents of material. |
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Copper Catcher
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 14:20:08
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| Oh...I thought they were pulling copper, thanks for the clarification! |
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Spikeanator6982
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 14:28:43
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| but in the USA case, the only coins worth doing that to would be the cu penny and the nickel as far as I can see. our dime is only worth ~2 cents, the quarter only ~ 4 cents, and the dollar is only at 5 cents. at this time I don't see anything being worth the time to pull in and replace except the already mentioned. |
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theo
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 16:19:45
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quote: Originally posted by Spikeanator6982
but in the USA case, the only coins worth doing that to would be the cu penny and the nickel as far as I can see. our dime is only worth ~2 cents, the quarter only ~ 4 cents, and the dollar is only at 5 cents. at this time I don't see anything being worth the time to pull in and replace except the already mentioned.
I could see the U.S. doing this on a limited basis if they decided that there are too many pennies in circulation. That way they could pull several billion coppers without having to replace them. I doubt most people would notice if the amount of pennies decreased by 10%. |
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Nickelless
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 16:45:36
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quote: Originally posted by theo
quote: Originally posted by Spikeanator6982
but in the USA case, the only coins worth doing that to would be the cu penny and the nickel as far as I can see. our dime is only worth ~2 cents, the quarter only ~ 4 cents, and the dollar is only at 5 cents. at this time I don't see anything being worth the time to pull in and replace except the already mentioned.
I could see the U.S. doing this on a limited basis if they decided that there are too many pennies in circulation. That way they could pull several billion coppers without having to replace them. I doubt most people would notice if the amount of pennies decreased by 10%.
How could there be "too many" pennies in circulation if the Mint is worried about the cost of producing more pennies? Taking pennies out of circulation wouldn't help. |
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fb101
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 20:24:38
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quote: Originally posted by Copper Catcher
The U.S. Government would be stupid not to!
Uhhh.... yeah.
But sometimes their stupidity works in our favor. But I do have a funny feeling it won't be long at all. |
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theo
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 21:39:34
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quote: Originally posted by Nickelless
quote: Originally posted by theo
quote: Originally posted by Spikeanator6982
but in the USA case, the only coins worth doing that to would be the cu penny and the nickel as far as I can see. our dime is only worth ~2 cents, the quarter only ~ 4 cents, and the dollar is only at 5 cents. at this time I don't see anything being worth the time to pull in and replace except the already mentioned.
I could see the U.S. doing this on a limited basis if they decided that there are too many pennies in circulation. That way they could pull several billion coppers without having to replace them. I doubt most people would notice if the amount of pennies decreased by 10%.
How could there be "too many" pennies in circulation if the Mint is worried about the cost of producing more pennies? Taking pennies out of circulation wouldn't help.
Is the mint saying that there are too few pennies? Given the extent to which credit and debit cards are used today, it is very possible that the penny is over-produced. There doesn't even have to be an over-supply. The Government could simply decide that we can do without 10% or even 20% of our penny supply, giving them the opportunity to acquire thousands of tons of copper at a substantial discount.
Also if the Government ever sensed that a currency collapse was inevitable, I don't see why they wouldn't pull as many coins out circulation as they could. Obviously it wouldn't come close to solving their problems; but it would increase their hard assets and, perhaps just as importantly, reduce the economic power of the citizenry. This would make it a little easier for them to re-establish control over commerce post collapse. |
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Nickelless
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 22:45:47
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quote: Originally posted by theo if the Government ever sensed that a currency collapse was inevitable, I don't see why they wouldn't pull as many coins out circulation as they could. Obviously it wouldn't come close to solving their problems; but it would increase their hard assets and, perhaps just as importantly, reduce the economic power of the citizenry. This would make it a little easier for them to re-establish control over commerce post collapse.
A "currency collapse" wouldn't be solved by the government pulling coins out of circulation quickly--in fact, I think that would be one of the furthest things from their mind. The FIRST thing they will try to do is maintain social order. Plus, how much dollar value in copper or zinc or nickel will the government really reap relative to the outstanding face value of FRNs? Coins are literal chump change compared to the total face value of FRNs. And given Gresham's Law--that bad money drives out good money--you can bet that people will catch on really quick that the metal value of their coins is worth more intrinsically than the worthless paper. |
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theo
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Posted - 06/18/2010 : 10:27:45
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quote: Originally posted by Nickelless
quote: Originally posted by theo if the Government ever sensed that a currency collapse was inevitable, I don't see why they wouldn't pull as many coins out circulation as they could. Obviously it wouldn't come close to solving their problems; but it would increase their hard assets and, perhaps just as importantly, reduce the economic power of the citizenry. This would make it a little easier for them to re-establish control over commerce post collapse.
A "currency collapse" wouldn't be solved by the government pulling coins out of circulation quickly--in fact, I think that would be one of the furthest things from their mind. The FIRST thing they will try to do is maintain social order. Plus, how much dollar value in copper or zinc or nickel will the government really reap relative to the outstanding face value of FRNs? Coins are literal chump change compared to the total face value of FRNs. And given Gresham's Law--that bad money drives out good money--you can bet that people will catch on really quick that the metal value of their coins is worth more intrinsically than the worthless paper.
I agree that once a currency collapse starts, it would be way too late for the Government to recall coins as they would have higher priorities. However, if they accepted that a dollar crash was inevitable in say 6 to 9 months, a coin recall could be a small piece of a Government plan to acquire as many hard assets as possible in order to back a new currency.
Also, I've read several articles stating that these coins could be part of a post-collapse "black market" currency which would compete with new Government currency. The fewer coins owned by the citizenry, the easier the people would be to control economically.
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cesario
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Posted - 06/19/2010 : 04:22:50
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| You also have to take into account that when the Fed "senses" that the coin supply in a particular district falls to a certain level, the Fed orders coins from the Treasury to replace it. So in a sense, what you take out, is replaced. |
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Lemon Thrower
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Posted - 06/19/2010 : 06:39:03
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| how much does an industrial size machine cost that would be capable of sorting silver dimes and quarters from clad? |
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fasTTcar
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Common Cents
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Posted - 06/22/2010 : 15:09:43
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quote: Originally posted by Copper Catcher
The U.S. Government would be stupid not to! Obviously, the technology is already in place and I'm sure Brinks has made a proposal, it is only “common cents.” Pun intended!
I guess I'll have to take credit for the idea! |
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rosco
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Posted - 06/22/2010 : 23:55:43
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I guess I'll have to take credit for the idea! [/quote]
Yup thats better than (No cents) woops! cheap shot.
But thats what you get from a old Grump |
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