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Coinage
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Kurr
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 19:15:27
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NO. This will be taxes going to a international goverment body. If anything it will add to the nations debts.
The tax gives a reason. If you have a carbon tax you need to find out how much carbon is being used. This means a framework of inspections/regulations/laws and restrictions. The regulation is the goal, IMO, with the further bankrupting of the countries. More governmental control and invasion of your privacy.
You talk of paying off the national debt like it is possible. With the federal reserve system we have, every dollar is borrowed. That means from the first one there was an interest payment that can never be made, since every dollar made thereafter also has interest on it. It is mathamaticly impossible to pay off our national debt with this system even if the entire national debt was $100.00 .
I do not know what it would do to gold, but a universal carbon tax, with the amount of resources and labor required to get an ounce of gold, I imagine would not make it cheaper. |
The silver [is] mine, and the gold [is] mine, saith the LORD of hosts. Hag 2:8 [/b]
He created it. He controls it. He gave it to us for His use. Why did we turn from sound scriptural currency that PROTECTS us?
KJV Bible w/ Strong's Concordance: http://www.blueletterbible.org/
The book of The Hundreds: http://www.land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/boh/bookOfTheHundreds_v4.1.pdf
The Two Republics: http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/docs/THE_TWO_REPUBLICS.pdf
Good reading: http://ecclesia.org/truth/government.html
A number of people are educated beyond, sometimes way beyond, their intelligence. - Tenbears
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sunsetcliff
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Lemon Thrower
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 Posted - 12/16/2009 : 19:55:24
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| it might hurt miners by making the cost of extraction higher. but that just makes gold that is out of the ground all the more valuable. |
Buying:
Peace/Morgan G+ at $15.00
copper cents at 1.3X
wheat pennies at 3X
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 20:11:19
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Since diamonds are carbon the tax ought to be placed on them. Dam those dinosaurs and their carbon footprints.  |
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fb101
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 20:22:41
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A carbon tax will make energy more expensive.
That will make everything else more expensive.
That will cause inflation. |
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Coinage
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Copper Catcher
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Kurr
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 21:36:24
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I don't see it creating jobs, I see it destroying businesses. Struggling little guys can not afford this. Families that are barely struggling now will be doomed.
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United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has again publicly admitted that the agenda behind the Copenhagen summit and the climate change fraud is the imposition of a global government and the end of national sovereignty
That means the "carbon tax" is just a way to bring our country in line with their views. |
The silver [is] mine, and the gold [is] mine, saith the LORD of hosts. Hag 2:8 [/b]
He created it. He controls it. He gave it to us for His use. Why did we turn from sound scriptural currency that PROTECTS us?
KJV Bible w/ Strong's Concordance: http://www.blueletterbible.org/
The book of The Hundreds: http://www.land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/boh/bookOfTheHundreds_v4.1.pdf
The Two Republics: http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/docs/THE_TWO_REPUBLICS.pdf
Good reading: http://ecclesia.org/truth/government.html
A number of people are educated beyond, sometimes way beyond, their intelligence. - Tenbears
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aloneibreak
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 22:08:00
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kurr got it right - its the small businesses and struggling families that will hurt the worst.
but thats how its supposed to be right??? :( |
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson
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Cody8404
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 10:29:39
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I see these two new taxes from the UN coming at a very high price. I expect they will add between 25-50% to the cost of everything.
The US already has so many envirnmental laws that it is near impossible to mine or produce anything. The US has more ability to mine rare earth metals than does China, but the mines have been shut down by envinmental laws.
The only reason gold is still being mined in South Africa is most of the minning is illegal. Yes, the government knows this and allows it to continue because it keeps the economy a float.
We are nearing a time when the only ones who "produce" will either be run under the governemnt, or doing it illegally. |
Awake, O kings of the earth! Come ye, O, come ye, with your gold and your silver, to the help of my people, to the house of the daughters of Zion, to the help of the people of the God of this Land even Jesus Christ. |
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ronin
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 12:42:46
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Umm... I don't mean to be a nay-saying negative Nabob or anything... but how is this nefarious "International Body" going to use this money to repair the damage? I mean, if we accept the incredibly bad "science" behind this massive Ponzi scheme as crammed down our throats, the damage is done. Fait accompli, situation no-win, it is what it is, and there ain't no coming back from the precipice. So how is several trillion of my and your dollars going to make it any better? Or is it going to just pump more trillions into the pockets of the greedy scam artists who run the show?
But then I would never want to lift the curtain to actually SEE the Wizard, I would much rather just trust to his magnificence, and award him the occasional Nobel Peace Prize. |
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billo
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 21:34:53
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| Any carbon-based life forms breathing out carbon as they talk promoting a carbon tax are pure idiots. Human-based GW is probably a fraud and the big government solution is definitely a scam. Socialist, globalist destruction and redistribution scheme. Brainwashed. |
That's not a dollar, mate...THIS is a dollar.
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Coinage
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Kurr
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 12/18/2009 : 21:39:05
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Originally posted by Coinage
So, if Gold raises in Value if there is a world Carbon Tax- do you support Carbon Tax?
No, I don't and I'm willing to bet very few others (except for Ponce of course ) that come here have so much gold or silver that they would be better off if we were all taxed to death. IMO, this carbon tax or cap and trade is just another way to fleece the sheeple of the world. What next, an astroid on collision with the earth tax? |
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twocents
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Posted - 12/18/2009 : 21:51:51
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Kurr,
I do not agree with the argument that debt can never be paid off. I have heard the same argument before, that because there is interest on every dollar ever made, that there is not enough dollars to pay off the debt. I do not agree with this fully. There are not enough dollars to pay off the debt in one finite instance, but payments can be made over time and the same money can be reused. The creditor ultimately has expenses as well and will use dollars received to pay back debt to pay their expenses, utilities, employees, etc., thus again cycling the dollars out to again be used as payment against the debt they collect. Dollars are not used just once. A single dollar could theoretically be paid back against the same debt total time and time again as it is cycled back and forth in exchange for services. Let's say, I owe you $100, but there is only $1 on the planet. I pay you $1. You ultimately want some food. You buy something at the grocier. The grocier wants gas. The grocier passes that $1 onto the station. The gas station pays me the $1 to run the convenient store. I put that dollar again towards my debt. Now I am down to $98 + some interest. You get the point. In a thriving economy with regular exchange of money and services, indebtedness greater than the total sum of money can be paid off. |
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Coinage
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