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Bluegill
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Country
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 Posted - 07/07/2009 : 18:25:24
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I believe Global Warming is real. I'm not saying that politicians can't use Global Warming for their own agendas. I know you can get scientists from both sides of the issue to explain in scientific terms why they are correct.
However, how do you explain the melting of the Arctic Circle ice? Isn't that happening because the earth is getting warmer? What about the concommitant rising sea levels that have been verified scientifically?
How do you explain why the tundra in northern extremities of the earth is melting into swamps (the potential for methane gas expulsion is great when the tundra warms; methane gas being much a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2)?
How do you explain why the Atlantic South to North temperature flow is slowing down? That occurs when fresh water ice "MELTING" decreases the salinization in the Atlantic. Arctic circle ice is melting; the polar bear population is dwindling and will soon be extinct because there is not enough northern ice for them to survive.
Everyone can debate why it is happening; man made emissions, our Sun is heating up, or other reasons. But, Global Warming is happening now. |
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Neckro
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 18:37:03
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| Man can not change the natural cycle of the Earth. It will freeze over, burn up, and everything in between. And there is nothing we can do to change it. |
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fb101
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 18:41:38
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+1 Neckro. We don't know squat about climate. We've been measuring for a hundred years in the life of a planet that's millions of years old. It's arrogant and stupid and we think way too much of our computer models which can't even predict the temperature 10 days out accurately. It's nothing but another way to control the masses.
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PreservingThePast
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 19:00:27
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It's my understanding that the opposite pole ice is thicker than ever.
Also, and to my way of thinking of extreme importance is, that plants, trees, etc. MUST have carbon dioxide in order to live to produce oxygen for us to breathe. |
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Neckro
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 19:07:54
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| The ocean produces the largest mass of Oxygen. =( And besides, who wouldn't want to sleep on a Polar bear hide and get a tan at the North Pole? |
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Country
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 19:21:38
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| Global Warming is real. Why we are getting Global Warming requires a scientific analysis of the data available. We should be concerned about this and not relegate this problem to the domain of politics. Science is neither arrogant or stupid, it attempts to analyze our world in mathematical terms with our God given talents. |
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fb101
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 19:45:43
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So, if this is real, why not put both sides out and let them do a public debate and see the truth.
It should be self evident.
Also, lets measure the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and see if it's changed in 50 years,
but let's take the air from rapid city SD and not LA.
Oh Wait! I must be a lunatic wanting to apply some actual scientific research to this.... hahaha.
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 20:23:14
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| I think it's arrogant to believe that we can do whatever we want and we will have no affect on the planet. It also goes against common sense. I'm not denying that the global warming carbon footprint agenda is political and a way to control people. However, I believe we are f'ing up the planet. It's been our toilet for 100 years. We're at or near peak oil and soon we may not have to worry about how much CO2 we're pumping out. Have a nice day. :o) |
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Kurr
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 21:49:33
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Originally posted by Country
I believe Global Warming is real. I'm not saying that politicians can't use Global Warming for their own agendas. I know you can get scientists from both sides of the issue to explain in scientific terms why they are correct.
However, how do you explain the melting of the Arctic Circle ice? Isn't that happening because the earth is getting warmer?
Underwater volcanoes along the ridge in that area.
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What about the concommitant rising sea levels that have been verified scientifically?
This if true has nothing to do with melting ice. Ice expands when it freezes. Fill a glass with ice, thento the rim with water. Let all the ice melt. The cup will not overflow. Melting ice does not increase volume
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How do you explain why the tundra in northern extremities of the earth is melting into swamps (the potential for methane gas expulsion is great when the tundra warms; methane gas being much a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2)?
The earth has shifted temperatures quite a bit. Climate change is a part of the sytem. When you farm you rotate crops to keep the soil fertile cause the same crop on the same patch will not continue to thrive, eventualy the soil is depleted of life giving nutrients. Perhaps the climate shifts perform this task globaly. I don't know.
What I do know is where I live. In southern Indiana we have fairly rugged terrain and farmland. The rugged terrain is from glaciers. In one of the ice ages we got 400 fot drop offs where I live. In the farmlands its possible to find shark teeth and aquatic fossils. We were the bottom of an ocean and froze like a polar cap. Last year we got our first hurricane! Climate changes, were all happy and thriving.
I haven't really looked into methane, but if co2 is supposed to be a greenhouse gas in the atmospere affecting climate change, how does it get there? Co2 is heavier than air and tends to settle in low areas.
the founder of the weather channel doesnt belive in global warming, the professor of meteorology at MIT doesn't believe in global warming and Kurr don't either.
I could be wrong though. We just had the first 65deg nights I can remeber in july, and if its getting hotter where you are, I am sorry, But so far I'm liking it. July 7th and only 85  |
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Carbonic Chris
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 22:07:31
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Originally posted by Country
Global Warming is real. Why we are getting Global Warming requires a scientific analysis of the data available. We should be concerned about this and not relegate this problem to the domain of politics. Science is neither arrogant or stupid, it attempts to analyze our world in mathematical terms with our God given talents.
Yes, global warming is happening...errr...but not the way Al Gore says. The evidence points to warming being tied to the sun more than anything else.
The problem with global warming science is that it isn't science at all. The first problem is that questions and data which opposse the man made global warming hypothesis are suppressed, such as the temperatures on Mars are rising at the same rate as the earth, or historically CO2 levels rise aftertemperature increases (I have my own hypothesis for why that occurs). That is not the way science is done. In a way, we've returned to the 8th century in terms of the scientific method.
The second major problem is that the government "scientists", like some of those on the IPCC, aren't really scientists at all, but rather enviromental activists. Some are actually former members of radical organizations such as greenpeace. |
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Carbonic Chris
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 22:11:22
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| On another note, has anyone noticed that they have stopped calling it global warming and now are referring to it as climate chage? I guess that way they can't be wrong...of course the climate changes! |
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AGgressive Metal
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 22:12:39
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Originally posted by Country
Global Warming is real.
Thermometers tell a different story. The temperature of the Earth has been getting cooler since the late 1990s. That is why the buzzword has changed from "global warming" to "climate change". |
And he that hath lyberte ought to kepe hit wel / For nothyng is better than lyberte / For lyberte shold not be wel sold for alle the gold and syluer of all the world.
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AGgressive Metal
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 22:13:48
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| Also, what Chris said: the temperature changes on Mars mirror the changes on Earth. Would someone tell me how my fireplace and automobile are polluting Mars? |
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Neckro
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 23:04:54
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Originally posted by AGgressive Metal
Also, what Chris said: the temperature changes on Mars mirror the changes on Earth. Would someone tell me how my fireplace and automobile are polluting Mars?
The government will put a link, and try to tax that too. |
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redneck
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 01:03:34
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In the 1970's it was global cooling that was the problem.
They said that we were heading into a mini ice age.(10,000yrs.)
Gee,lets see....how did that work out...?
If a college or research group rejects the official version of global warming all Federal funding is taken away.
Why ?
What are they scared of, if their scientific data is irrefutable...?
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Gr33nday43
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 03:01:47
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| I don't believe humans can affect - negatively or positively, whatsoever. The amount of co2 released by humans is such a minuscule amount compared to the rest of the atmosphere, that it would be crazy to assume that we would have an effect on something so huge as the climate. |
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Country
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 08:56:23
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Originally posted by Gr33nday43
I don't believe humans can affect - negatively or positively, whatsoever. The amount of co2 released by humans is such a minuscule amount compared to the rest of the atmosphere, that it would be crazy to assume that we would have an effect on something so huge as the climate.
I don't know how far you have gone in your science studies, but I'd like you to keep an open mind about the subject and challenge your science teachers until you are satisfied with their answers. Remember, science is neither arrogant or stupid, it attempts to analyze our world in mathematical terms with our God given talents.
Attached is an article that may be of interest to you and others.
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Country
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 09:07:33
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Originally posted by AGgressive Metal
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Originally posted by Country
Global Warming is real.
Thermometers tell a different story. The temperature of the Earth has been getting cooler since the late 1990s. That is why the buzzword has changed from "global warming" to "climate change".
Look at the data. Temperatures worldwide are increasing.
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Country
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 09:24:19
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I need to get satisfactory answers to my questions. Think about it. I'm not saying for sure that an increase C02 is causing the earth to warm, even though that may be the case. Call it what you will, but some type of climate change is happening that is changing our world.
(1) How do you explain the melting of the Arctic Circle ice? Isn't that happening because the earth is getting warmer? What about the concommitant rising sea levels that have been verified scientifically?
(2) How do you explain why the tundra in northern extremities of the earth is melting into swamps (the potential for methane gas expulsion is great when the tundra warms; methane gas being much a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2)?
(3) How do you explain why the Atlantic South to North temperature flow is slowing down? That occurs when fresh water ice "MELTING" decreases the salinization in the Atlantic. Think about what would happen if the warm sea from the South ceased to flow North.
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Country
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 10:10:07
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Originally posted by Kurr
I haven't really looked into methane
Methane is 20X stronger than C02 as a greenhouse gas.
The article below explains some facts about the methane problem:
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Neckro
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 10:22:30
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| Nice to know some people still believe in fairy tales. |
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Country
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 10:41:57
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Originally posted by Neckro
Nice to know some people still believe in fairy tales.
Necro, I hope Global Warming, climate change is not going to happen. However, hiding under our pillows will not make it go away if it does. |
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Neckro
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 11:42:09
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| For those of you who believe in a higher power. This will end up happening anyways. So sooner the better that this world ends. If not. Mankind will only really change when their existence is in jeopardy. I believe more in planet X than man made climate change. |
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Carbonic Chris
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 12:30:21
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Again,solar activity is the most probable cause of climate change on earth.
Water vapor is the #1 greenhouse gas, not CO2. It makes up 66-85% of all greenhouse gases. You could just as easily blame global warming on increased irrigation as increased CO2 emissions. Again, global warming science is not science when they pick and choose the data to use and ignore. |
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redneck
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 13:37:25
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Again, global warming science is not science when they pick and choose the data to use and ignore.
We have a BINGO...!!!
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