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c140cessna
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 Posted - 06/04/2009 : 21:23:05
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Students at Seguin’s Navarro Intermediate School are honoring the memory of the 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust — one penny at a time.
That’s the goal that team teachers Lisa Barry and Traci Brodbeck set for their fifth-graders, who are collecting pennies to learn a lasting lesson of tolerance.
This week students reached a milestone in the two-year effort. They’ve collected their first million pennies, worth $10,000.
It’s taken months. The children knocked on doors in their neighborhoods, stopped by businesses and called radio stations to drop off jars and solicit donations.
They’ve asked parents, other relatives and church members for help.
They’ve dug in pockets and purses and scoured their homes for spare change.
They’ve filled rows of pickle and salad dressing gallon jars, raising an amount equal to 3 tons, the weight of a Hummer.
“It helped me understand that it only takes one person to end something like the Holocaust,” said Kellan Barry, 11.
And on Wednesday morning the class presented Paul Marsh, director of the Guadalupe County Children’s Advocacy Center, with an oversized check for $10,000.
“Donating the pennies makes me feel so great,” said Alessandra Wedezeman, 11. “It’s something that’ll stay with me a long time.”
The “Pennies for the Persecuted” project started in May 2007. Barry wanted to teach the children about the damaging effects of bullying, which had led one of her classmates at Jourdanton High School to commit suicide.
She asked Brodbeck to look into a project that would teach tolerance.
Brodbeck suggested something similar to “Paper Clips,” a documentary she’d seen about a middle school principal in Whitwell, Tenn., teaching his students about diversity by having them collect 6 million paper clips.
The students here chose to collect pennies. They could donate them to help children in need, and the coins bear the image of President Abraham Lincoln, an icon of freedom. They were encouraged by a quote from Anne Frank’s diary: “No one has ever become poor from giving.”
The students have also donated to the Jewish Federation of San Antonio.
Barry said an additional 5 million pennies should be collected by the time the children graduate, and they’ll “see light at the end of the tunnel of the project.”
The Navarro Education Foundation pays for Inge Auerbacher, a Holocaust survivor from New York, to visit and interact with the students.
Auerbacher, author of “I Am a Star — Child of the Holocaust,” talks with the class about her three years in the Terezin concentration camp — also known as Theresienstadt — in Czechoslovakia. She was 10 years old when the Soviet Army liberated the camp in May 1945.
“It’s a rare thing to meet someone who survived it,” Barry said. “In a few years you’ll only be able to read about it,” so the students will “be the voice of the next generation.”
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Kurr
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Posted - 06/04/2009 : 22:03:41
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It’s taken months. The children knocked on doors in their neighborhoods, stopped by businesses and called radio stations to drop off jars and solicit donations.
They’ve asked parents, other relatives and church members for help.
They’ve dug in pockets and purses and scoured their homes for spare change.
They’ve filled rows of pickle and salad dressing gallon jars
So instead of learning or studying things like mathamatics, science, history, literature, they get to be trained and gather some first hand experiance at begging. Nice.
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raising an amount equal to 3 tons
Aren't they like a grand short of 10k then?
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“It helped me understand that it only takes one person to end something like the Holocaust,” said Kellan Barry, 11
When the h*ll did 1 person ever do that?!? Allies?? England?? WWII??
How do you get from collecting pennies for charity to one person stopping a nation at war??
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and the coins bear the image of President Abraham Lincoln, an icon of freedom
I am pretty sure the over 150k people he had locked up without conviction after ignoring the right of habeus corpus during the civil war wasn't too fond of him.
Is this what schools do now??
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buyingsilvers
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Posted - 06/04/2009 : 22:18:23
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Originally posted by Kurr
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Is this what schools do now??
We're Freaking Doomed.
It's what theyve been doing for a long time. |
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smartinson
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Posted - 06/04/2009 : 23:17:06
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The Holocaust was a horrible thing MANY, MANY years ago. Maybe the penny collection could be put to better use in the here and now if they have to have a feel good project. Maybe more time should be spent on the importance of a good education which seems to be at the bottom of the totem pole.
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highroller4321
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 00:19:24
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Originally posted by c140cessna
Students at Seguin’s Navarro Intermediate School are honoring the memory of the 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust — one penny at a time.
That’s the goal that team teachers Lisa Barry and Traci Brodbeck set for their fifth-graders, who are collecting pennies to learn a lasting lesson of tolerance.
This week students reached a milestone in the two-year effort. They’ve collected their first million pennies, worth $10,000.
It’s taken months. The children knocked on doors in their neighborhoods, stopped by businesses and called radio stations to drop off jars and solicit donations.
They’ve asked parents, other relatives and church members for help.
They’ve dug in pockets and purses and scoured their homes for spare change.
They’ve filled rows of pickle and salad dressing gallon jars, raising an amount equal to 3 tons, the weight of a Hummer.
“It helped me understand that it only takes one person to end something like the Holocaust,” said Kellan Barry, 11.
And on Wednesday morning the class presented Paul Marsh, director of the Guadalupe County Children’s Advocacy Center, with an oversized check for $10,000.
“Donating the pennies makes me feel so great,” said Alessandra Wedezeman, 11. “It’s something that’ll stay with me a long time.”
The “Pennies for the Persecuted” project started in May 2007. Barry wanted to teach the children about the damaging effects of bullying, which had led one of her classmates at Jourdanton High School to commit suicide.
She asked Brodbeck to look into a project that would teach tolerance.
Brodbeck suggested something similar to “Paper Clips,” a documentary she’d seen about a middle school principal in Whitwell, Tenn., teaching his students about diversity by having them collect 6 million paper clips.
The students here chose to collect pennies. They could donate them to help children in need, and the coins bear the image of President Abraham Lincoln, an icon of freedom. They were encouraged by a quote from Anne Frank’s diary: “No one has ever become poor from giving.”
The students have also donated to the Jewish Federation of San Antonio.
Barry said an additional 5 million pennies should be collected by the time the children graduate, and they’ll “see light at the end of the tunnel of the project.”
The Navarro Education Foundation pays for Inge Auerbacher, a Holocaust survivor from New York, to visit and interact with the students.
Auerbacher, author of “I Am a Star — Child of the Holocaust,” talks with the class about her three years in the Terezin concentration camp — also known as Theresienstadt — in Czechoslovakia. She was 10 years old when the Soviet Army liberated the camp in May 1945.
“It’s a rare thing to meet someone who survived it,” Barry said. “In a few years you’ll only be able to read about it,” so the students will “be the voice of the next generation.”
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AGgressive Metal
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 01:22:51
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I wonder how many wheats.
And wtf with the "it only takes one person to stop the Holocaust"? This is brainwashing - or at least dumbing down. |
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horgad
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 07:44:46
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"So instead of learning or studying things like mathamatics, science, history, literature, they get to be trained and gather some first hand experiance at begging. Nice."
LOL, but seriously that is going to be a hugely valuably skill to know in the future or better yet teach them how to squat on public land, grow their own food, and build a shack out rich peoples garbage. |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 08:28:17
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Kurr.. It's the new math.. they didn't actually weight them. They are only in 6th through 8th grade.. you can't expect them to master basic math yet. That weight would be a grand short only if they got a 100% copper yield.. and most of the folks here know that is statistically improbable.
"Barry said an additional 5 million pennies should be collected by the time the children graduate, and they’ll “see light at the end of the tunnel of the project.”"
The light you see at the end of the tunnel is probably an oncoming train.  |
If your percentages are low.. just sort more. If your percentages are high.. just sort more.
Now selling Copper pennies. 1.6x plus shipping. Limited amounts available. |
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moboman
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 08:36:03
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They plan on storing 6 million pennies in gallon sized containers? good luck with that one..
Which one person ended the holocaust? was it Hitler committing suicide? That's only one person. Maybe these kids should learn some history instead of this stupid project that is not going to accomplish anything other than raise 60k for the school.
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 09:04:46
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Hey, the schools need the money.. just ask the ones out here in CA. How much of that 60k will disappear into administrative fees?
Besides, it is a learning expense for the little kiddies. They will learn the hard way what many on this forum have already learned about storing pennies in "glass" containers.
They might also learn that banks are not always receptive to large dumps of loose pennies.
They are probably going to Coinstar them. Oh wait, some banks down there have free lobby counters. Either way, the kids will learn "patience." Maybe one of our enterprising Texas members can help them out with the conversion for a small fee. |
If your percentages are low.. just sort more. If your percentages are high.. just sort more.
Now selling Copper pennies. 1.6x plus shipping. Limited amounts available. |
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El Dee
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 10:33:51
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Sounds like San Antonio is the place for truckload zinc dumps!
psst - hey kid - wanna buy some pennies?
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TXTim
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 13:34:05
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Originally posted by El Dee
Sounds like San Antonio is the place for truckload zinc dumps!
psst - hey kid - wanna buy some pennies?
Good idea!!!
They probably want them donated. |
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chris6084
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 17:57:16
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Originally posted by HoardCopperByTheTon
Hey, the schools need the money.. just ask the ones out here in CA. How much of that 60k will disappear into administrative fees?
Besides, it is a learning expense for the little kiddies. They will learn the hard way what many on this forum have already learned about storing pennies in "glass" containers.
They might also learn that banks are not always receptive to large dumps of loose pennies.
They are probably going to Coinstar them. Oh wait, some banks down there have free lobby counters. Either way, the kids will learn "patience." Maybe one of our enterprising Texas members can help them out with the conversion for a small fee.
Which banks have the free lobby counters? I have yet to find them.
I live in San Antonio. I need to find this school and offer to take these pennies off of their hands. This would be a great excuse for me to stop hand sorting and finally buy a ryedale! |
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c140cessna
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 08:29:09
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"$10,000 = 3 Tons" as per content of the article......let's see if this is even close.....
Just for fun.....what exact copper % is required at $10,000 to equal exactly 3 tons?:
$10,000 = 6000 lbs............thus $X.XX/lb = $10,000 / 6000 lbs = $1.6666/lb
$1.6666/lb = [Copper % x ($1.50/lb)] + [Zinc % x ($1.82/lb)]
a) 1.6666 = 1.50 C + 1.82 Z
b) C + Z = 1.00
c) C = 1.00 - Z
d) 1.6666 = [1.50 x (1.00 - Z)] + 1.82 Z
e) 1.6666 = 1.50 - 1.50 Z + 1.82 Z
f) 1.6666 = 1.50 + 0.32 Z
g) 0.1666 = 0.32 Z
h) Z = 0.1666 / 0.32 = 0.52
The key trick after formulating a) which has 2 variables (C and Z) is b) and c) to allows expressing one variable (in this case C) in terms of the other variable (in this case Z) and then the substitution back into a)....which happens at d)....after that it is a piece of cake....
Thus 52% Zinc and therefore 48% Copper are required to have $10,000 = 3 Tons.
This is typical 8th grade / 9th grade math....basic algebra....yet I find very few high school graduates (or even college graduates) that can even do these simple calculations.....a sad commentary on the American education system and peoples general lack of math skills. Math is very useful.
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c140cessna
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 09:23:27
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Here are some useful applications to the above math for those that buy boxed pennies. I know that Horgad at one time weighed his boxes and set aside the higher weights....thus higher copper % for later sorting....and sorted the low yield/high zinc boxes first.....
We will use grams as our unit of weight to avoid a lot of math will small numbers representing pounds....
$25 box = 2500 pennies
P = weight of packaging (box and wrapper material)
W = weight of entire box + wrappers + pennies
Assume Z = 2.5g each and C = 3.1g each.
W = P + {2500 x [(Z% x 2.5) + (C% x 3.1)]}
W = P + 6250 Z + 7750 C
Z + C = 1.00 ....in other words, Copper % + Zinc % = 100% of the pennies.
Z = 1.00 - C
W = P + 6250 (1.00 - C) + 7750 C
W = P + 6250 - 6250 C + 7750 C
W = P + 6250 + 1500 C
1500 C = W - P - 6250
C = (W - P - 6250) / 1500
That is as far as I can go without some real world data....and I do not have a single box of pennies to get data from to illustrate the application of the formula.....so, I'll "back into" some numbers to illustrate:
C = (W - P - 6250) / 1500
If you had the $25 box total weight "W" in grams, and knew that typical cardboard box + coin wrappers weighed "P" you could find you percentage of copper without sorting.
I'll thake a SWAG and see if I can offer an illustration of the use of the calculation:
W = 15.25 lbs
W = 15 x 454 = 6923g
P = 200g (about 6 ounces...my SWAG)
C = (W - P - 6250) / 1500
C = (6923 - 200 - 6250) / 1500
C = 473 / 1500
C = 0.3153 = 31.5%
All you boys need to do is get a "standard" for Brinks or CWI....or whatever boxes you happen to get....take and save one empty box packed full of all the wrappers....this is the Standard(s) to repersent "P".
I have a 300+ pound digital freight scale I bought at Sam's Club for just $60 that has resolution to 0.05 lbs (22.7g) (about 0.8 oz) and the scale has pretty good repeatability....I think it would work...
Let's say the total variation in reading was it's 22.7g resolution....in other words +/- 11g
Let's test that using my above example:
Same box, second weigh in = 15.30 lbs (as opposed to 15.25 the first time): 15.30 x 454 = 6946g
C = (6946 - 200 - 6250) / 1500
C = 33.1%
So, each resolution (0.05 lb) represents about 1.6 copper basis points...or 5% variation.
That would be acceptable in my opinion.
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Edited by - c140cessna on 06/06/2009 09:54:01 |
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slickeast
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 09:24:07
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| With a 22.2% C and 77.8% Z yeild here in SC that would be 5,714 lbs of pennies. |
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