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Originally posted by Ponce

People don't know it but the US is on a life support system with the support system being the military because they will be the only one that will be getting the full support of the US government.

Families build their fortune with other peoples money (OPM), as does a country, and once that stops so does the family fortune. The US has been destroyed from the inside for the enemy is already with us so that there was no need for any outside invasion.

In order to recover we must first dig out the cancer that has spread within our nation and only then will there be a road to recovery..... a recovery that will take a long time.

We have the means but not the tools to make a come back for the simple reason that the future of our nation is in the hands of our young people that we must retrain, once again, to learn how to study and think.

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Originally posted by horgad

"Given the choice however, I'd prefer to be going down this road with the USSR citizens as my neighbors rather than the contemporary US citizens I'm surrounded by."

Good point. The Russians have experience surviving adversities (making their own Vodka, growing their own food, and in general fending for themselves was already in their culture long before the final collapse). They knew well in advance that their government could not or would not provide for all their needs.

Americans on the other hand are liable to waste a lot of time and energy protesting and waiting for the government to fix everything before they realize that they need to look more to themselves.

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Originally posted by horgad

I have pondering the how the American economic collapse plays out and trying to draw parallels from history. Of course, there are no exact fits, but the best one that I can come up with is the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union had more in common with us than you might think.

1. Large land mass
2. Lot of resources
3. World military power with lots of nukes and huge military expense
4. Aggressive, hands-on approach to trying control world affairs
5. Unsustainable "fake" economy and currency

I see in the US the continued destruction of industry as the "fake" economy destroys the what is left of the "real" economy. I see a currency crisis fast approaching as the world turns their back on the dollar. In the future, I see the military complex going into chaos as it is no longer able to acquire funding. I see hungry people not because of a lack of resources, but because of a lack of real money and farmers refusing to sell their crops for worthless US dollars. I see blackmarkets and a huge underground economy springing up as current economy dissolves. I see a possible splintering of the US as people regroup and form new economies based on a new currency or currencies.

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Horgad,

Very good analogy comparing US with the USSR. Given the choice however, I'd prefer to be going down this road with the USSR citizens as my neighbors rather than the contemporary US citizens I'm surrounded by.

Russians -- and to a large extent the citizens of the USSR satellite states as well -- were (are) genetically and culturally prepared to face and survive adversity. Going back to Napoleans invasion of Russia, the people have faced hardships that modern americans can only dream of. Even in recent history, the Soviets were accustomed to hardship, due primarily to the political structure that kept them down economically and spiritually.

Contrast that with your typical american that has no concept of history; accepts and expects their government to "take care" of them; and still believes the pap that their government-media complex feeds them on a daily basis.

I wonder if you can get a decent beer over there? Or is it all strictly vodka? Hmmmmm...

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Originally posted by horgad

I have pondering the how the American economic collapse plays out and trying to draw parallels from history. Of course, there are no exact fits, but the best one that I can come up with is the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union had more in common with us than you might think.

1. Large land mass
2. Lot of resources
3. World military power with lots of nukes and huge military expense
4. Aggressive, hands-on approach to trying control world affairs
5. Unsustainable "fake" economy and currency

I see in the US the continued destruction of industry as the "fake" economy destroys the what is left of the "real" economy. I see a currency crisis fast approaching as the world turns their back on the dollar. In the future, I see the military complex going into chaos as it is no longer able to acquire funding. I see hungry people not because of a lack of resources, but because of a lack of real money and farmers refusing to sell their crops for worthless US dollars. I see blackmarkets and a huge underground economy springing up as current economy dissolves. I see a possible splintering of the US as people regroup and form new economies based on a new currency or currencies.

You must be logged in to see this link.(1985%E2%80%931991)

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Horgad,

Very good analogy comparing US with the USSR. Given the choice however, I'd prefer to be going down this road with the USSR citizens as my neighbors rather than the contemporary US citizens I'm surrounded by.

Russians -- and to a large extent the citizens of the USSR satellite states as well -- were (are) genetically and culturally prepared to face and survive adversity. Going back to Napoleans invasion of Russia, the people have faced hardships that modern americans can only dream of. Even in recent history, the Soviets were accustomed to hardship, due primarily to the political structure that kept them down economically and spiritually.

Contrast that with your typical american that has no concept of history; accepts and expects their government to "take care" of them; and still believes the pap that their government-media complex feeds them on a daily basis.

I wonder if you can get a decent beer over there? Or is it all strictly vodka? Hmmmmm...

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A lot of people seem to be enamored with potential break up of the U.S. While there is an outside chance of this occuring, I don't believe the comparison with the U.S.S.R. is that strong. First, many of the former Soviet republics had a history of being autonomous. Some older citizens of the Baltic states, for example, could still remember when they had self rule in the 1930s. Also, while there are rifts between segments of the American population, I believe they are over-exaggerated, especially when compared to parts of the Soviet population. Many Soviet republics not only had their own culture, but in some cases had their own language and ethnic backgrounds as well.

The election of President Obama does not necessarily signify that we are a divided country. The real issues around this election were the ignorance of the American voter and the negligence of the national media. I think we are more likely to suffer the trials of the next few years as one nation not as six or more separate states.

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