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Ponce
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Cuba
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 Posted - 05/28/2009 : 09:51:28
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To late to save the economy in the US hence the country as a whole.
Will anyone then "attack" the US?.......no, for the simple reason that we have to many nuclear weapons and other goodies, so what will happe?........ other countries will simply leave the US alone to die in peace.
The only choice that the US will have now is to "liberate" other counties in order to obtain what it needs to survive, other countries will sent their own people to the attacked country to defend them from the US so that little by little the US will sink deeper and deeper into the hole.
The US as a whole will be going back AT LEAST three centuries from where we will have to start all over again.
A lot more to say but will wait for your respond.......
"If you don't hold it, you don't own it"...Ponce
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redneck
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 10:09:58
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Ponce,good to have you back.
It will definitely get worse before it gets better ,if it ever gets better. 
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Kurr
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 11:22:57
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I agree, good to see you brother Ponce.
I agree with wha you say about us "liberating" other countries. I also agree Afghanistan is goin to "Af/Pak" for border and flanking on the Iranian front, for the sole purpose of destabilizing the area for future strategic positions in the conflict they want to weaken/destroy Iran for being the strong arm in that area.
What worries me more is that we aren't hearing about Africom. That is the next lineup set to be the new middle-east and we are positioning ourselves to exploit, I mean "liberate", the natural resources they have there. This , as I see it, is "The Plan"
What would throw a works in the plan, is that we have sold enough registered guns in the first 3 months to outfit both the chinese and indian armies. Not counting un-registered sales. People are getting REALLY mad at the government, and starting to draw lines in the sand.
What would happen if, say, someone "leaked" congress' exspense reorts like they did the Brits? Right now I think the british people would be up in arms, if they hadn't voted for such harsh gun control laws. Hey Briton, "How's that working out for you?" Still got the guillatines? or that wood block in the tower?
I don't think other countries would sit back and let us sink. Creditors want their payments or your collateral. I don't think they would invade. Thanks to "globalism" they would just close their factories over here. The foriegn countries/banks have enough financial meathooks in deep enough to us that I think they could, Through media/financial/commodity markets and the land ownership/mineral rights/Infrastructure usage (think the interstates/bridges/buildings they sell or lease off to other countries) put enough pressure on the U.S. Citizens to incite a revolt, possibly armed, if they said "that's it we are cutting our losses, close up shop and let em rot".
Just my .02
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Lemon Thrower
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 13:15:00
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| i think the economic crisis is going to be so bad and so extended that the u.s. will start a war. not saying this year, but within 5-or 10 years. i give obama a 50% chance of starting one at this point. already you have serious deterioration in afghanistan, pakistan, n.korea, mexico. |
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Kurr
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Lemon Thrower
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 14:02:49
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Originally posted by Kurr
Will Mr. and Mrs John Q. Public stand for yet another war with 2-3 open fronts already? Anyone who has read the art of war should understand we are doomed in a millitary sense.
politicians control the media so the public will be in favor of whatever war gets started, that will not be a problem. sure, the war will be a bad idea in the long run but people always support wars when they start. Its only after they have run for some time that people regret having gotten involved. |
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NDFARMER
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USA
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 14:33:20
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| Our military is spread out all over the world, has used up a lot of it's resources over the last 10 years. I have always wondered if we could defend ourselves (the actual lower 48) if we had to. A lot of our equipment and manpower is over in the Persian Gulf and Afghanistan. |
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Kurr
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 14:44:17
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I am WAAAAAY better armed as a civilian than I was as an infantry soldier.
I am a lightwieght. I know more than a couple of folks that could fill a pickup bed with their firearm collections. I know folks that have guns and ammo buried. In the first 3 months of obama's run, we sold enough registered guns to outfit china and india army as stated above.
Semi autos for the most part can be converted to full, in most cases with not much more than a file.
America doesn't "need" an army to repel invasion. Take a 2 hour drive in ANY direction from where you are. Think about all the guns and ammo out there. Now as you are driving, imagine.... you are in a "marked" millitary vehicle, with a uniform on, probably in a convoy, and oh by the way.... EVERYONE HERE WANTS TO KILL ME!!
America doesn't "need" an army to repel invasion. No army in the world, including our own, could hold our mainland as we are now. |
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Neckro
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 15:00:00
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| I dunno, as a scout I always had a 9mm with 5 clips, M-16 with 10clips, and an M240 With 5 cases of ammo(200roundsboxes) Not counting the frags. |
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Kurr
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 18:09:06
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Originally posted by Kurr
I am WAAAAAY better armed as a civilian than I was as an infantry soldier.
I am a lightwieght. I know more than a couple of folks that could fill a pickup bed with their firearm collections. I know folks that have guns and ammo buried. In the first 3 months of obama's run, we sold enough registered guns to outfit china and india army as stated above.
Semi autos for the most part can be converted to full, in most cases with not much more than a file.
America doesn't "need" an army to repel invasion. Take a 2 hour drive in ANY direction from where you are. Think about all the guns and ammo out there. Now as you are driving, imagine.... you are in a "marked" millitary vehicle, with a uniform on, probably in a convoy, and oh by the way.... EVERYONE HERE WANTS TO KILL ME!!
America doesn't "need" an army to repel invasion. No army in the world, including our own, could hold our mainland as we are now.
Correct sir.
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Plain and simple.
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fb101
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 18:31:37
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Originally posted by NotABigDeal
quote:
Originally posted by Kurr
I am WAAAAAY better armed as a civilian than I was as an infantry soldier.
I am a lightwieght. I know more than a couple of folks that could fill a pickup bed with their firearm collections. I know folks that have guns and ammo buried. In the first 3 months of obama's run, we sold enough registered guns to outfit china and india army as stated above.
Semi autos for the most part can be converted to full, in most cases with not much more than a file.
America doesn't "need" an army to repel invasion. Take a 2 hour drive in ANY direction from where you are. Think about all the guns and ammo out there. Now as you are driving, imagine.... you are in a "marked" millitary vehicle, with a uniform on, probably in a convoy, and oh by the way.... EVERYONE HERE WANTS TO KILL ME!!
America doesn't "need" an army to repel invasion. No army in the world, including our own, could hold our mainland as we are now.
Correct sir.
Deal
Agreed!
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Neckro
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Saudi Arabia
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 18:35:21
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| Yes, but most of our 'enemies' have proven they don't care about human life. So I wouldn't be amazed if they carpet bomb entire cities to rubble, or starve the entire population into surrender/death. They kill their own without remorse, and I wouldn't doubt their soldiers would massacre ours without a hint of joy. |
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NotABigDeal
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USA
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 20:13:12
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Carpet bomb? Are you talking American forces bombing and killing? Not all soldiers and Marines are heartless. They are Americans too. If not Americans, who is going to carpet bomb us?
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Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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Delawhere Jack
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USA
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 22:12:05
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Originally posted by Kurr
America doesn't "need" an army to repel invasion. Take a 2 hour drive in ANY direction from where you are. Think about all the guns and ammo out there. Now as you are driving, imagine.... you are in a "marked" millitary vehicle, with a uniform on, probably in a convoy, and oh by the way.... EVERYONE HERE WANTS TO KILL ME!!
America doesn't "need" an army to repel invasion. No army in the world, including our own, could hold our mainland as we are now.
The enemy is already here. Check out any college campus, "news studio", or even your average 20 something idiot. Have you noticed the new fashion trend, usually among young girls, but also among metro males, of wearing what I call "Mao caps"?
We've had 40 years of indoctrination in our institutions of "higher" (pot?) learning. Over half of the idiot population has no concept of the evils of socialism/communism. To them it's just another plausible political system.
Luckily, the vast majority of the armed populace has a greater understanding of our heritage, the Constitution, and the concept of individual liberty. But that doesn't make the task much easier.
In the first revolution, only a small percentage of the populace supported independence. The majority were willing to endure the injustices forced upon them by king George. Even after it was blatantly obvious that the king would use any force necessary to subjugate the colonists did more of them side with the revolution. It is well documented that Benjamin Franklin's own son remained loyal to the crown, to the point that Franklin disowned him.
Fast forward to today. Despite what you've heard about the "moral majority", or how many "patriotic Americans" are out there, we are in fact the minority. DO NOT LET THAT DISSUADE YOU IN FIGHTING FOR WHAT YOU KNOW IS RIGHT!.
If you take the time to read the Federalist Papers, or the writings of Jefferson, Madison, Adams, Franklin and the many other founders -- you will find that virtually all of the evils of the old world that they warned us of are occurring right here, right before our eyes.
These were learned men, of the sort that do not exist today. They knew the evils of tyranny. They understood what differentiates a free man from a subject. Compare that to the lot we have "leading" us today. It is a comparison of giants to sewer rats of the lowest order.
I recently read an article (or perhaps it was a video clip), stating that progressive age began with Teddy Roosevelt, and that we've been sliding down a slippery slope even since. The author suggested that we are at the end of the progressive age, God please let that be true! Even if it is, it will take us at least a generation, and probably two, to turn the tide and get this nation back to the founding principles. It won't be easy, it won't be pretty, and it will most assuredly require that we turn our backs on some of our fellow citizens, as Franklin did with his own son.
So, how much are those principles worth to you? Hey, we're going in the sxxtter one way or the other, so how do you want to come out the other side?
I hope that, as some of you suggest, that a foreign enemy would not invade us, since so many of us are armed. But the foreign invader is the least of my worries at this point. It is the enemy within that we must confront, hopefully through the ballot box... but we've all seen what a sham that is.
God bless all of you who love Liberty, the rest of you can rot it hell. Which side are you on?
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Ponce
Penny Hoarding Member
Cuba
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 22:34:56
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As posted before.......Where China goes around the world doing bussines and making friends the US goes around the world doing wars and making enemies.
Kurr? China is the biggest player in Africa and if the US were to attack a country in Africa I am pretty sure that, as a third party, they would help the country being "liberated".
It is a real shame that most Americans can't see who is behind the curtin pulling the strings, once they wake up the sleeping eagle there will be hell to pay.
A lot that I feel and a lot that I could say but all that I can tell you is that the government are going to have Americans fighting each other in order to make us a weaker nation and then those pulling the strings will take over, expect a foreign flag fly alonside the American one..........GOD BLESS AMERICA.
PS: Don't say that you are willing to "die for your country" but rather that you are ready to "kill for your country". |
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Kurr
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 22:42:56
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We are trying to establish a BIG command center in africa right now. And we don't have to invade those countries just yet. We find us 2 places like Somalia and Ethiopia who for whatever reason hate each other or have animosity and play the "lets you and him fight" game throught the support of varios factions and our "intelligense agengies".
With all the natural resources there, we are just itching to got our hands on it. That's all I meant by that. |
The silver [is] mine, and the gold [is] mine, saith the LORD of hosts. Hag 2:8 [/b]
He created it. He controls it. He gave it to us for His use. Why did we turn from sound scriptural currency that PROTECTS us?
KJV Bible w/ Strong's Concordance: http://www.blueletterbible.org/
The book of The Hundreds: http://www.land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/boh/bookOfTheHundreds_v4.1.pdf
The Two Republics: http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/docs/THE_TWO_REPUBLICS.pdf
Good reading: http://ecclesia.org/truth/government.html
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Ant
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USA
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 22:48:49
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Hi, Ponce -- glad you're back. 
Over the past couple of weeks, I have been reading Martin Armstrong's papers. If you guys remember, he is the guy who came up with a long-term cyclical model of the economy. His model is 224 years, with underlying internal cycles.
When I can type a coherent analysis of what I've read so far, I will post it. In short, he is of the opinion that at this point, there is little that can be done to revive the economic system. He contrasts the current crisis with the Great Depression and discusses the floating exchange rate system.
It's kind of thick reading, and some of it sounds a little wack, but overall, it makes sense. |
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Neckro
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Posted - 05/28/2009 : 22:53:12
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Carpet bomb? Are you talking American forces bombing and killing? Not all soldiers and Marines are heartless. They are Americans too. If not Americans, who is going to carpet bomb us?
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U.S Enemies doing towards us. If we didn't have a Sophisticated military to defend us. Another Military with one would slaughter us without mercy. A militia can not really defend against a enemy that doesn't care if it slaughters civilians to get a point across. |
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Kurr
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Ponce
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Posted - 06/02/2009 : 08:39:36
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Thans Ant, there can be zero troops in the US but as long as we have all those missiles and nukes they will think twice about messing around with us because we don't have to go anywhere in order to fight them, all that we have to do is to push some buttons.
We have had an "African Command" at the Pentagon for the past two years but that's about it. |
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horgad
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Posted - 06/02/2009 : 10:11:05
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I have pondering the how the American economic collapse plays out and trying to draw parallels from history. Of course, there are no exact fits, but the best one that I can come up with is the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union had more in common with us than you might think.
1. Large land mass
2. Lot of resources
3. World military power with lots of nukes and huge military expense
4. Aggressive, hands-on approach to trying control world affairs
5. Unsustainable "fake" economy and currency
I see in the US the continued destruction of industry as the "fake" economy destroys the what is left of the "real" economy. I see a currency crisis fast approaching as the world turns their back on the dollar. In the future, I see the military complex going into chaos as it is no longer able to acquire funding. I see hungry people not because of a lack of resources, but because of a lack of real money and farmers refusing to sell their crops for worthless US dollars. I see blackmarkets and a huge underground economy springing up as current economy dissolves. I see a possible splintering of the US as people regroup and form new economies based on a new currency or currencies.
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El Dee
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Posted - 06/02/2009 : 11:37:07
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Originally posted by horgad
I see in the US the continued destruction of industry as the "fake" economy destroys the what is left of the "real" economy.
I see a currency crisis fast approaching as the world turns their back on the dollar. In the future,
I see the military complex going into chaos as it is no longer able to acquire funding.
I see hungry people not because of a lack of resources, but because of a lack of real money and farmers refusing to sell their crops for worthless US dollars.
I see blackmarkets and a huge underground economy springing up as current economy dissolves.
I see a possible splintering of the US as people regroup and form new economies based on a new currency or currencies.
*whisper voice* I see dead people.
A better parallel is post-WWII Britain. The Soviet Union had a command economy which is nothing at all like ours.
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Kurr
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 06/02/2009 : 18:08:48
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Originally posted by horgad
I have pondering the how the American economic collapse plays out and trying to draw parallels from history. Of course, there are no exact fits, but the best one that I can come up with is the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union had more in common with us than you might think.
1. Large land mass
2. Lot of resources
3. World military power with lots of nukes and huge military expense
4. Aggressive, hands-on approach to trying control world affairs
5. Unsustainable "fake" economy and currency
I see in the US the continued destruction of industry as the "fake" economy destroys the what is left of the "real" economy. I see a currency crisis fast approaching as the world turns their back on the dollar. In the future, I see the military complex going into chaos as it is no longer able to acquire funding. I see hungry people not because of a lack of resources, but because of a lack of real money and farmers refusing to sell their crops for worthless US dollars. I see blackmarkets and a huge underground economy springing up as current economy dissolves. I see a possible splintering of the US as people regroup and form new economies based on a new currency or currencies.
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Horgad,
Very good analogy comparing US with the USSR. Given the choice however, I'd prefer to be going down this road with the USSR citizens as my neighbors rather than the contemporary US citizens I'm surrounded by.
Russians -- and to a large extent the citizens of the USSR satellite states as well -- were (are) genetically and culturally prepared to face and survive adversity. Going back to Napoleans invasion of Russia, the people have faced hardships that modern americans can only dream of. Even in recent history, the Soviets were accustomed to hardship, due primarily to the political structure that kept them down economically and spiritually.
Contrast that with your typical american that has no concept of history; accepts and expects their government to "take care" of them; and still believes the pap that their government-media complex feeds them on a daily basis.
I wonder if you can get a decent beer over there? Or is it all strictly vodka? Hmmmmm...
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Ponce
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Cuba
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 06:27:50
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People don't know it but the US is on a life support system with the support system being the military because they will be the only one that will be getting the full support of the US government.
Families build their fortune with other peoples money (OPM), as does a country, and once that stops so does the family fortune. The US has been destroyed from the inside for the enemy is already with us so that there was no need for any outside invasion.
In order to recover we must first dig out the cancer that has spread within our nation and only then will there be a road to recovery..... a recovery that will take a long time.
We have the means but not the tools to make a come back for the simple reason that the future of our nation is in the hands of our young people that we must retrain, once again, to learn how to study and think.
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