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Canadian_Nickle
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 Posted - 04/10/2007 : 16:42:45
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This thread is for posting info regrading the Amero/Uniter North American Currency info. I will post some links in it later. I'm considering creating a specific Amero subforum if people are interested enough in it, since it doesn't really fall under numismatics. For now, post any Amero news you can find to this thread.
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Canadian_Nickle
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Canada
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 16:45:17
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The Plan to Replace the Dollar With the 'Amero'
by Jerome R. Corsi (More by this author)
Posted: 05/22/2006
The idea to form the North American Union as a super-NAFTA knitting together Canada, the United States and Mexico into a super-regional political and economic entity was a key agreement resulting from the March 2005 meeting held at Baylor University in Waco, Tex., between President Bush, President Fox and Prime Minister Martin.
A joint statement published by the three presidents following their Baylor University summit announced the formation of an initial entity called, “The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America” (SPP). The joint statement termed the SPP a “trilateral partnership” that was aimed at producing a North American security plan as well as providing free market movement of people, capital, and trade across the borders between the three NAFTA partners:
We will establish a common approach to security to protect North America from external threats, prevent and respond to threats within North America, and further streamline the secure and efficient movement of legitimate, low-risk traffic across our borders.
A working agenda was established:
We will establish working parties led by our ministers and secretaries that will consult with stakeholders in our respective countries. These working parties will respond to the priorities of our people and our businesses, and will set specific, measurable, and achievable goals.
The U.S. Department of Commerce has produced a SPP website, which docomeents how the U.S. has implemented the SPP directive into an extensive working agenda.
Following the March 2005 meeting in Waco, Tex., the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) published in May 2005 a task force report titled “Building a North American Community.” We have already docomeented that this CFR task force report calls for a plan to create by 2010 a redefinition of boundaries such that the primary immigration control will be around the three countries of the North American Union, not between the three countries. We have argued that a likely reason President Bush has not secured our border with Mexico is that the administration is pushing for the establishment of the North American Union.
The North American Union is envisioned to create a super-regional political authority that could override the sovereignty of the United States on immigration policy and trade issues. In his June 2005 testimony to the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Robert Pastor, the Director of the Center for North American Studies at American University, stated clearly the view that the North American Union would need a super-regional governance board to make sure the United States does not dominate the proposed North American Union once it is formed:
NAFTA has failed to create a partnership because North American governments have not changed the way they deal with one another. Dual bilateralism, driven by U.S. power, continue to govern and irritate. Adding a third party to bilateral disputes vastly increases the chance that rules, not power, will resolve problems.
This trilateral approach should be institutionalized in a new North American Advisory Council. Unlike the sprawling and intrusive European Commission, the Commission or Council should be lean, independent, and advisory, composed of 15 distinguished individuals, 5 from each nation. Its principal purpose should be to prepare a North American agenda for leaders to consider at biannual summits and to monitor the implementation of the resulting agreements.
Pastor was a vice chairman of the CFR task force that produced the report “Building a North American Union.”
Pastor also proposed the creation of a Permanent Tribunal on Trade and Investment with the view that “a permanent court would permit the accomeulation of precedent and lay the groundwork for North American business law.” The intent is for this North American Union Tribunal would have supremacy over the U.S. Supreme Court on issues affecting the North American Union, to prevent U.S. power from “irritating” and retarding the progress of uniting Canada, Mexico, and the U.S. into a new 21st century super-regional governing body.
Robert Pastor also advises the creation of a North American Parliamentary Group to make sure the U.S. Congress does not impede progress in the envisioned North American Union. He has also called for the creation of a North American Customs and Immigration Service which would have authority over U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) within the Department of Homeland Security.
Pastor’s 2001 book “Toward a North American Community” called for the creation of a North American Union that would perfect the defects Pastor believes limit the progress of the European Union. Much of Pastor’s thinking appears aimed at limiting the power and sovereignty of the United States as we enter this new super-regional entity. Pastor has also called for the creation of a new currency which he has coined the “Amero,” a currency that is proposed to replace the U.S. dollar, the Canadian dollar, and the Mexican peso.
If President Bush had run openly in 2004 on the proposition that a prime objective of his second term was to form the North American Union and to supplant the dollar with the “Amero,” we doubt very much that President Bush would have carried Ohio, let alone half of the Red State majority he needed to win re-election. Pursuing any plan that would legalize the conservatively estimated 12 million illegal aliens now in the United States could well spell election disaster for the Republican Party in 2006, especially for the House of Representative where every seat is up for grabs.
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Mr. Corsi is the author of several books, including "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry" (along with John O'Neill), "Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil" (along with Craig R. Smith), "Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians," and most recently, "Minutemen: The Battle to Secure America's Borders." He will soon author a book on the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and the prospect of the forthcoming North American Union.
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Canadian_Nickle
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Canada
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 16:50:24
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From spp.gov:
The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) was launched in March of 2005 as a trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity among the United States, Canada and Mexico through greater cooperation and information sharing.
This trilateral initiative is premised on our security and our economic prosperity being mutually reinforcing. The SPP recognizes that our three great nations are bound by a shared belief in freedom, economic opportunity, and strong democratic institutions.
The SPP provides the framework to ensure that North America is the safest and best place to live and do business. It includes ambitious security and prosperity programs to keep our borders closed to terrorism yet open to trade.
The SPP builds upon, but is separate from, our long-standing trade and economic relationships. It energizes other aspects of our cooperative relations, such as the protection of our environment, our food supply, and our public health.
Looking forward, President Bush, Prime Minister Harper and President Fox have identified emergency management; influenza pandemics, including avian influenza; energy security; and safe and secure gateways (border security and facilitation) as key priorities for the SPP. The Leaders also announced the creation of North American Competitiveness Council to fully incorporate the private sector into the SPP process.
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 19:47:20
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I think the Amero or whatever is rumoured to replace the US Dollar is one of the most important topics we might discuss in relation to the future value of pennies and nickels.
Therefore, my vote is in favor of a top level topic for news relating to the Amero and the SSP.
We might want to consider the total number of top level topics.
I personally have no problem scrolling down on the main page and so I don't mind adding to the number of topics,
but if others disagree, it is important that they have a say as well.
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28 times 13 = 364
We cannot divide the 365.25 days of a year into eqwal parts.
We never have and never will.
We cannot even divide the 365 whole days or integer days into eqwal parts.
But we could have a year that is 364 days long.
I propose that we use a calendar made up of 13 months of 28 days each.
Then every five years we have a five day long party or holiday
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Canadian_Nickle
Penny Hoarding Member
Canada
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 20:16:10
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Here's how I think we might reogranize the main page (forums with a * are some proposed new forums)
Top level
---Subforums
Horading
---Hoarding change (hoarding forum)
---Hoarding PMs (bullion forum)
---Hoarding Scarp (scrap forum)
---Other Hoarding (SHTF forum)
Currencies
---Inflation (inflation forum)
---*Amero (Amero forum)
---Numismatics forum
---*Alternate economy/barter forum
General
---General Discussion (GD forum)
---Dumping ground (DG forum)
---Secret Society forum
---*Forum Forum (for posts like this, about the forum, and discussions of future edits)
B/S/T
---Buy/Sell/Trade (BST forum)
---*Feedback forum (for feedback after trades/sales only!)
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 20:55:06
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Good work.
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I agree with the top level break down into four categories;
Hoarding, Currencies, General, and BST (although I hate to see SHTF demoted)
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I agree that adding
Amero, Barter, Administration, and a feedback on transactions are all good ideas.
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Thank you for taking the time to think about all this. And thank you for your efforts.
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28 times 13 = 364
We cannot divide the 365.25 days of a year into eqwal parts.
We never have and never will.
We cannot even divide the 365 whole days or integer days into eqwal parts.
But we could have a year that is 364 days long.
I propose that we use a calendar made up of 13 months of 28 days each.
Then every five years we have a five day long party or holiday
that would serve the function that leap days now serve every four years. |
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psi
Penny Collector Member
Canada
399 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2007 : 20:54:28
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| I don't think a common currency will fly in the US or Canada any time soon. Americans overall are too attached to the US dollar to give it up unless it seriously tanks. Canadians can see the USD going downhill and IMO wouldn't want to use a currency even more closely tied to that sinking ship than the CAD already is. |
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 21:19:40
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I agree that it would take something pretty drastic to get from where we are now, to the Amero.
It took 911 to get us the Patriot Act, torture in Guantanimo, the Occupation of Iraq and Afganistan, and a huge military buildup.
To the people who wanted those things, 911 probably still looks like a bargain.
The people who were capable of killing 3000 Americans on 911 so that they could kill a million Iraqi and Afgani people, would not flinch at doing something pretty drastic to get the Amero, IF that is what they want.
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28 times 13 = 364
We cannot divide the 365.25 days of a year into eqwal parts.
We never have and never will.
We cannot even divide the 365 whole days or integer days into eqwal parts.
But we could have a year that is 364 days long.
I propose that we use a calendar made up of 13 months of 28 days each.
Then every five years we have a five day long party or holiday
that would serve the function that leap days now serve every four years. |
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Cerulean
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 07:23:33
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One of the reasons I've heard cited as to why it isn't time for the Amero yet is the wide disparity of economic strengths in the Western Hemisphere. The US is much stronger than Mexico, and Mexico is much stronger than many Central American countries, and and so on. Most of Latin America combined still doesn't outweigh the US economy.
The Euro worked because Europe is more or less at an even spread in terms of economies. Sure it had it's heavyweights like Germany and France, but the weaker nations like Portugal and Greece weren't as relatively far behind as say Paraguay and Honduras are to the US.
For this reason, I've heard it said that introducing the Amero into such a dichotomized conglomeration would serve only to destabilze the collective economic system, not reinforce it. Consider that the UK hasn't given up the pound for the euro yet because it would weaken their economy, not strengthen it.
Also, it took 40+ years of increasing political and economic cooperation in Europe before the euro debuted. European Community of Trade, European Economic Community, Eurozone, NATO, Treaty of Rome, etc. Attempts to create West.Hem. hegemony aren't getting past the talking stage. Remember the OAS?
Lastly, who stands to gain from creating the Amero? Who stands to gain by cracking the US economic pinata and hemorrhaging ("redistributing") all its wealth to Latin America? Nobody in the American government, I'm sure.
I think the likelihood of the Amero in the next 20 years is slim to none. Until the US ecomony falls so low that tying our economy to Latin America would actually bolster it, discussion on the Amero is all hyperbole inspired by the Euro, nothing more.
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beercritic
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USA
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Posted - 04/15/2007 : 07:48:15
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AMERO? What a stupid sounding name.
Why not call it what it really is?
The "BOHICA."
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Posted - 04/15/2007 : 10:23:50
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The disparity of wealth within the Euro area is greater than we might think.
Germany today is the world's number one exporter.
Until a few weeks ago the USA was number two.
The headlines last week read that China had replaced the USA in the number two slot.
But that STILL leaves Germany in the number one slot.
They export more than China, right now, in 2007.
Can you believe that?
So for Germany to join the Euro with Portugal and Greece is not much different than the USA and Mexico getting together.
The second richest human being on planet earth is Mexican his name is Carlos Slim.
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There is an aweful lot of real wealth in mexico, it is just VERY unevenly distributed.
I think that the PTB especially the Cheney gang, rather like societies in which the disparity of wealth is enormous.
I think that they feel that if they can further stratify US society they can further weaken their only real opposition, the middle class.
They want power. DIck Cheney would love to see the USA become more like Mexico if that means that his power is less challenged by the middle class. He is anything but a democrat.
I like to tell people about what I call the "Brazilian model".
This is a term that I made up to describe the different histories of North and South America.
When European settlers arrived in North America, the natives died from small pox, the plauge, etc.
When European settlers arrived in Sorth America, the natives didn't die, the Europeans did.
Therefore:
In North America, the natives wound up on small plots of land called "reservations" and the Europeans had all the rest of the land to themselves.
But,
In South America, it is the Europeans who wound up on small plots of land called, "gated communities" and the natives inhabit the remainder of the land.
So when Dick Cheny or Jena Bush visit South America, they say, "Damn, I LIKE THIS!"
They love the fact that the "natives" are consigned to poverty and therefore not really much of a political threat to their greed and ambition.
They Like the fact that there is no strong middle class challenging their power.
They would like to play the role of protector of the middle class.
They want a middle class that is afraid of masses of poor people so that they can say,
"WE will protect you from the dirty downtrodden masses who want to socialize your economy."
The Cheny gang likes the Brazilian model.
I don't think they like America very much, they just want to rape America.
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psi
Penny Collector Member
Canada
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Posted - 04/27/2007 : 11:19:26
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How long can the loonie last?
Eric Helleiner: National Post, Thursday, April 26, 2007
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Last night, University of Waterloo professor Eric Helleiner was named the winner of the prestigious Donner Prize, awarded annually for the best book on Canadian public policy. The award was presented by Allan Gotlieb, chairman of the Donner Canadian Foundation, at an awards dinner in Toronto. This is the ninth year the acclaimed prize has been awarded. What follows is an excerpt from Mr. Helleiner's award-winning book, Towards North American Monetary Union? The Politics and History of Canada's Exchange Rate Regime.
In 1999, an unusual and high-profile debate broke out in Canadian politics. The issue suddenly being discussed was whether the country should join a monetary union with the United States. Although, since Confederation, Canadians had debated many aspects of their country's economic relations with the United States, this idea had never received serious attention. Even at the time of the introduction of the 1989 Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement (FTA), few had predicted that a monetary union with the United States might soon follow.
In fact, Canadian governments had not even been willing to fix the Canadian dollar to the value of the U.S. currency for most of the 20th century. Since 1914, Canada's exchange rate floated vis-a-vis the U.S. dollar for all but three brief periods: 1926-31, 1939-50 and 1962-70. So strong was the preference of Canadian policymakers for floating that Canada was the only major industrial country to demand and receive special exemption from the rules of the Bretton Woods system in the period 1950-62 so that it could pursue a float. It then became the first Western country to embrace a floating exchange rate again in 1970, a regime that has stayed in place to this day.
Given this history, Canada would seem the most unlikely country to join in a monetary union with the United States. And yet, in another respect, the country is an obvious candidate. It is commonly assumed that countries with very open economies will prefer a fixed exchange rate or monetary union with their most important economic partners in order to minimize the impact of exchange rate variability on their extensive trade and investment relations. With one of the most open economies in the industrial world, Canada has long been an exception to this rule.
Its exceptional status has become even more glaring as the country's economic integration with the United States has accelerated with the introduction of the FTA. Over 40% of Canada's GNP now consists of exports, and over 80% of these exports go to the United States. Supporters of North American monetary union (NAMU) argue that a floating exchange rate is increasingly an anachronism within this integrated North American economic space. They reinforce this argument by pointing to a larger and growing worldwide interest in the benefits of regional monetary unions, an interest that has already led to the creation of the euro in Europe. As one proponent put it rather melodramatically, "the Canadian dollar is doomed."
Is the emergence of the NAMU debate a sign that Canada's odd preference for a floating exchange rate is finally coming to an end? Is the Canadian currency really destined to disappear? This book argues that there is nothing inevitable or even likely about NAMU:When we examine the politics of Canadian policy-making toward exchange rate regimes -- the task taken up in this book -- NAMU appears a much less certain prospect.
To examine whether Canada is on the cusp of a dramatic monetary change, we need a better understanding of the politics of Canadian exchange rate regime policy. What have been the political determinants of Canada's longstanding fixation with floating? What political forces are now supporting the NAMU proposal, and who is aligned against them? Unfortunately, existing literature in the field of political science is not very helpful in answering these questions. The study of the politics of exchange rate regimes across the world has blossomed in the last decade, but the Canadian case has been almost entirely ignored in this literature. The rich scholarship on the politics of Canadian foreign economic policy has also not addressed these issues in much depth. This literature has focused much more on Canadian policy toward international trade and foreign investment than exchange rate regimes. This book fills these gaps in existing literature. |
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