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wagsthadog
Penny Hoarding Member


USA
565 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2009 :  14:23:31  Show Profile Send wagsthadog a Private Message
Hi all-

Oohh, I know I'm going to polarize some members on this one, but I'm just not sold on silver. I haven't been really impressed with its performance even when it WAS over $20/oz.

Now, I DO roll hunt, and I DO have lots of silver, and I do like it, but it just seems that gold is doing all the work these days. Every time gold jumps $20 or more dollars, silver gains like 11c. big whoop.

However, silver is right there to lose almost a dollar whenever gold drops by about $20.

I know they say that silver gets USED UP, while most gold is still recoverable, but I just don't think I'll ever see silver +$30 in my lifetime (and I'm in my 20's)

JMO
wags

Only when they CAN'T have it, ......THEN they'll want it.

I love Cents. If you get an UNC box, you win. If you get a regular circ. box, you win. If you get a zinc box, you don't lose....so you still win.

Nickelmeister
Penny Hoarding Member



Canada
588 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2009 :  14:36:00  Show Profile Send Nickelmeister a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by wagsthadog

Hi all-

Oohh, I know I'm going to polarize some members on this one, but I'm just not sold on silver. I haven't been really impressed with its performance even when it WAS over $20/oz.

Now, I DO roll hunt, and I DO have lots of silver, and I do like it, but it just seems that gold is doing all the work these days. Every time gold jumps $20 or more dollars, silver gains like 11c. big whoop.

However, silver is right there to lose almost a dollar whenever gold drops by about $20.

I know they say that silver gets USED UP, while most gold is still recoverable, but I just don't think I'll ever see silver +$30 in my lifetime (and I'm in my 20's)

JMO
wags




C'mon Wags, don't be silly. Even if silver "only" were to keep pace with a measely inflation rate of 3%, silver would be over $70/oz by the time you are 80 :) Of course, I think you will be $70 Ag much sooner than that!

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Computer Jones
1000+ Penny Miser Member



USA
1112 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2009 :  14:56:25  Show Profile Send Computer Jones a Private Message
Wags,
You're supposed to buy low and sell high!
Ag's going to rocket to new highs in your lifetime, it's not time to quit.

There's profit if you melt things!!
8{>

Edited by - Computer Jones on 04/06/2009 14:57:08
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theo
Penny Hoarding Member



USA
588 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2009 :  15:15:46  Show Profile Send theo a Private Message
Given its recent performance, its perfectly understandable to question the prospects of silver. However, let me go through a few supporting arguments for silver.

1. The silver/gold in the earth's crust ratio is suppose to be about 15:1 and up until about 100 years ago the gold was priced at about 15 times the silver price. But at about the turn of the century there was an effort to de-monetize silver, in other words remove it as a metal that backs currency and change it more into an industrial metal. This left gold as the sole metal for backing currency, and in the following decades the gold/silver price ratio rose steadily to today's ratio of about 70:1. If silver can re-establish itself as a backing for money that price ratio will move closer to 15:1.

2. If you believe Ted Butler certain banks have been shorting silver in addition to gold with the intent of containing its price. If this is at all true it is an admission that silver is in fact a monetary metal. If silver is widely acknowledged as a backing of currency; it will increase the price silver, not just in relation to the dollar, but in relation to gold as well.

3. If the currency does collapse, gold will not be able to support the currency alone. Since there is already a large supply of silver coins, silver (and perhaps nickel and copper)will also be needed to keep some semblance of commerce going. I once mentioned to my financial advisor that I was buying precious metal coins. He asked me, "Do you think that you'll be buying a loaf of bread with a gold double eagle coin?" "Of course not." I replied, "I'll be using silver dimes for that."

4. Finally, although I do own some gold and I believe it to be a sound investment, I can't shake the feeling that its a little too trendy right now. Dozens of commercials and much of the mainstream media touts gold as the true safe haven when the dollar gets shaky. I think silver has great upside for no other reason than its value and history are still unknown to most investors.

Edited by - theo on 04/06/2009 15:22:08
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Bootstrap
Penny Collector Member



USA
279 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2009 :  15:30:37  Show Profile Send Bootstrap a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by wagsthadog

Hi all-

Oohh, I know I'm going to polarize some members on this one, but I'm just not sold on silver. I haven't been really impressed with its performance even when it WAS over $20/oz.

Now, I DO roll hunt, and I DO have lots of silver, and I do like it, but it just seems that gold is doing all the work these days. Every time gold jumps $20 or more dollars, silver gains like 11c. big whoop.

However, silver is right there to lose almost a dollar whenever gold drops by about $20.

I know they say that silver gets USED UP, while most gold is still recoverable, but I just don't think I'll ever see silver +$30 in my lifetime (and I'm in my 20's)

JMO
wags




Wags, you can send me all of your silver for no charge. :)


Seriously, though I agree with theo. I think Gold has become way to trendy and divesifaction is important in your metals portfolio.
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Lemon Thrower
1000+ Penny Miser Member



USA
1588 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2009 :  15:33:14  Show Profile Send Lemon Thrower a Private Message
if you look back at various charts, silver tends to lag gold a bit. for example, gold peaked at 850 in 1980, and silver peaked at $52 a month or two later.

from that, i conclude 2 things. if you are very short term oriented, the big move will come in gold first so be positioned in gold. second, i am confident silver will move with gold eventually.

if you look at the silver to gold chart, you'll see a wide range of basically 50-90 silver ounces to 1 gold ounce in recent history.

i have some of both but I like silver better. its easier to accumulate becuase its cheaper and there are more sources. i think it has more potential than gold too. medium term, supply is shrinking becuase its mined with base metals like lead, and the price of lead makes mining uneconomical. also, per Ted Butler, the price of silver is even more heavily manipulated than gold, and that cannot lost for much longer. if there is a short squeeze, its more likely to happen in silver first.

long term, I think folks will slowly recognize the natural ratio of 15 to 1 and the even more favorable ratio of above ground stocks. Its possible silver could pass gold in our lifetimes.

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Peace/Morgan G+ at $15.00
copper cents at 1.3X
wheat pennies at 3X


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keys
Penny Collector Member



383 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2009 :  17:08:17  Show Profile Send keys a Private Message
One of silver's biggest selling point is its title "poor man's gold".
Can't afford gold? Buy silver.
Can't find gold for sale? Buy silver.
Silver has been the second most popular precious metal to own for centuries, with gold being the first, and it is hard for the mind set of investors to change.

Silver has been called gold's little sister, the metal that is nice, but doesn't have the allure of gold.
Only when a silver shortage is truly felt will silver finally come out from gold's shadow and shine for investors.

Will the silver shortage ever happen? It is hard to say, but holding silver for the long term is like any investment. You buy what you think will rise in value and put it away for the future to sell at a higher price.


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highroller4321
1000+ Penny Miser Member



USA
2648 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2009 :  20:01:41  Show Profile Send highroller4321 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by wagsthadog

Hi all-

Oohh, I know I'm going to polarize some members on this one, but I'm just not sold on silver. I haven't been really impressed with its performance even when it WAS over $20/oz.

Now, I DO roll hunt, and I DO have lots of silver, and I do like it, but it just seems that gold is doing all the work these days. Every time gold jumps $20 or more dollars, silver gains like 11c. big whoop.

However, silver is right there to lose almost a dollar whenever gold drops by about $20.

I know they say that silver gets USED UP, while most gold is still recoverable, but I just don't think I'll ever see silver +$30 in my lifetime (and I'm in my 20's)

JMO
wags



You have to factor in the ratio too. So if you have 1oz of gold and it goes up $20 you have to figure in the ration of silver...say 70:1 So 1 oz of gold goes up $20 70ounces of silver goes up $7.70 total (using your 11cent figure)

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Computer Jones
1000+ Penny Miser Member



USA
1112 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2009 :  21:53:51  Show Profile Send Computer Jones a Private Message
Bottom line, don't bail on Ag!!!!

There's profit if you melt things!!
8{>
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wagsthadog
Penny Hoarding Member



USA
565 Posts

Posted - 04/07/2009 :  00:58:11  Show Profile Send wagsthadog a Private Message
Hi all-

No, I'd never bail out on silver, but I am and plan to remain heavier into gold for my PM investment.

wags

Only when they CAN'T have it, ......THEN they'll want it.

I love Cents. If you get an UNC box, you win. If you get a regular circ. box, you win. If you get a zinc box, you don't lose....so you still win.
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Nickelless
Administrator



USA
5580 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2009 :  19:58:43  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by theo

Given its recent performance, its perfectly understandable to question the prospects of silver. However, let me go through a few supporting arguments for silver.

1. The silver/gold in the earth's crust ratio is suppose to be about 15:1 and up until about 100 years ago the gold was priced at about 15 times the silver price. But at about the turn of the century there was an effort to de-monetize silver, in other words remove it as a metal that backs currency and change it more into an industrial metal. This left gold as the sole metal for backing currency, and in the following decades the gold/silver price ratio rose steadily to today's ratio of about 70:1. If silver can re-establish itself as a backing for money that price ratio will move closer to 15:1.

2. If you believe Ted Butler certain banks have been shorting silver in addition to gold with the intent of containing its price. If this is at all true it is an admission that silver is in fact a monetary metal. If silver is widely acknowledged as a backing of currency; it will increase the price silver, not just in relation to the dollar, but in relation to gold as well.

3. If the currency does collapse, gold will not be able to support the currency alone. Since there is already a large supply of silver coins, silver (and perhaps nickel and copper)will also be needed to keep some semblance of commerce going. I once mentioned to my financial advisor that I was buying precious metal coins. He asked me, "Do you think that you'll be buying a loaf of bread with a gold double eagle coin?" "Of course not." I replied, "I'll be using silver dimes for that."

4. Finally, although I do own some gold and I believe it to be a sound investment, I can't shake the feeling that its a little too trendy right now. Dozens of commercials and much of the mainstream media touts gold as the true safe haven when the dollar gets shaky. I think silver has great upside for no other reason than its value and history are still unknown to most investors.


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Edited by - Nickelless on 04/09/2009 20:09:23
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