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Canadian_Nickle
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 Posted - 03/31/2007 : 21:00:12
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So does anyone else think that maybe the mint deliberately released some godless dollar coins so that they could earn a ton of free media exposure for the coins' launch and make the presidential dollars series seem desireable & collectable, thus drawing sheeple's eyes away from the scandal of inflation rendering the penny and nickel over-honest money?
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pencilvanian
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Posted - 03/31/2007 : 21:31:30
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I personally think the mint just messed up (as ususal).
I should have chosen "Cut-n-Paste" as a forum name, since that is what I do, mostly. |
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Posted - 03/31/2007 : 22:17:57
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Originally posted by Canadian_Nickle
So does anyone else think that maybe the mint deliberately released some godless dollar coins so that they could earn a ton of free media exposure for the coins' launch and make the presidential dollars series seem desireable & collectable, thus drawing sheeple's eyes away from the scandal of inflation rendering the penny and nickel over-honest money?
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You bet they did. It's a perfect plan to get them out into circulation. I would have done the same.
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Metalophile
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USA
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Posted - 03/31/2007 : 22:54:51
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By some strange coincidence there was the famous Sacagawea/quarter dollar mule error which came out at the introduction of the Sackies back in 2000. I don't know whether these errors are intentional or are the product of sloppy QC during changes in coinage, but it is awfully suspicious!
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Posted - 04/01/2007 : 10:00:51
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The excuse of incompetence is used whenever the RepugnantCons are in control.
This excuse serves them in two ways.
1. It perpetuates their claim that governments are always incompetent.
2. It diverts attention from their EVIL deeds.
I don't buy the incompetence arguement.
Whenever I read the BS put out by the Cons and repeated verbatim by the Media, I say the word evil at each point that they say incompetence.
Example:
Due to Admininstration EVIL, the efforts in Iraq have begun to deteriorate.
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I think Norman Livergood's Essay, "Dollar Imperialism" is the best summary out there.
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Metalophile
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Posted - 04/01/2007 : 16:58:47
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Ahem, you have to remember that the Klinton Demo(N)crats were in power when the Sacagawea mules came out in 2000. It's much more believeable that some mint worker forgot to put a batch of Washington Dollars through the edge incuse machine than to believe that the Sacagawea mules were some sort of "accident".
You want me to get started on the Demo(N)crats? How about Waco, Elian Gonzalez, the OKC bombing (which there was a cover up to leave out the investigation of middle easterners, possibly Iraqi conspirators), Ruby Ridge, TWA flight 800, etc. etc. etc.
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Posted - 04/01/2007 : 17:45:31
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I agree, I qwit the democratic party.
I am a dues paying member of the Green Party.
The democrats are sell outs and whimps.
America has a one party system.
It is the War Party.
One wing of the War Party is against not for discussion, they call themselves the elephants.
The other wing of the War Party is against capital punishment, they call themselves the donkeys.
America is in Very Deep Trouble.
PLEASE READ DOLLAR IMPERIALISM,
thank you for allowing me to rant
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Posted - 04/03/2007 : 16:22:14
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I think its intentional
They make so many coins ( billions ) that they will
never be worth anything.
SSSOOOooo wallah instant rarity.......and that
will draw in the collectors.
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Canadian_Nickle
Penny Hoarding Member
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Posted - 04/03/2007 : 21:09:07
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so I'm not a paranoid delusional. Or all of you are. Hmmm.
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 09:43:55
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Paranoid delusional or a Delusional paranoid ?
HHmmmm....
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Frugi
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 18:52:49
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THE NEXT 2 SENTENCES ARE VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!
THEY want us to think of coins as a collectable, NOT as a means of trade. When THEY discontinue coinage (and they will) no one will care because we will all think of them as a collectable.
ALSO:
This Washington Dollar fiasco was done intentionally and deceitfully. Our governement stinks worse than the most underhanded telemarketer scammer. No one will even realize this fact until it is too late, maybe even not until way past too late.
Real Eyes Realize Real Lies
Buy Less. Work Less. Live More.
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 20:16:54
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On a good day, Frugi, I think it is way past too late,
on a bad day, I just think "bring it on."
I went to a different bank in a different town today, (outside of my cozy little bubble of liberalism in Berkeley, CA)
It is a real eye opener to see how conservative America lives.
I saw more Prius Hybrids between the Airport and my house than I saw during the entire 3 days out there in middle America.
At the bank in middle America, the teller told me that, "Lots of people reqwest Eisenhowers, and Half Dollars."
Maybe Conservative America knows more about coinage than my beloved and adopted town of Berkeley.
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Canadian_Nickle
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 14:49:41
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"Maybe Conservative America knows more about coinage than my beloved and adopted town of Berkeley."
Ya'think, genius boy?
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 18:17:39
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Canadian Nickel:
I dedect that you are angry at me.
My guess as to why is that I told you that you should carry a disclaimer along with any posts of yours that incite people to break the law.
I stand by that.
At the risk of sounding like I'm lecturing you and thereby further alienating you, I will repeat myself.
If you incite others to break the law, you should either;
1. understand what the law says about inciting such behavior
or
2. be willing to suffer the conseqwences.
I know that this makes you mad, but reality can kinda suck sometimes.
The above admission of my shallow assumptions should not be a cause for your celebration.
I honestly have nothing against you.
Peace,
No, Honestly,
Peace.
To you and all your loved ones.
Honestly, I wish you nothing but peace and happiness.
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 18:28:32
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Originally posted by Canadian_Nickle
"Maybe Conservative America knows more about coinage than my beloved and adopted town of Berkeley."
Ya'think, genius boy?
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The qwote
"genius boy"
is just name calling.
It does not further our understanding of
bullion, fiat, or inflation.
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CajunCoin
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Posted - 04/08/2007 : 13:26:44
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Originally posted by Atheist
On a good day, Frugi, I think it is way past too late,
on a bad day, I just think "bring it on."
I went to a different bank in a different town today, (outside of my cozy little bubble of liberalism in Berkeley, CA)
It is a real eye opener to see how conservative America lives.
I saw more Prius Hybrids between the Airport and my house than I saw during the entire 3 days out there in middle America.
At the bank in middle America, the teller told me that, "Lots of people reqwest Eisenhowers, and Half Dollars."
Maybe Conservative America knows more about coinage than my beloved and adopted town of Berkeley.
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I think Norman Livergood's Essay, "Dollar Imperialism" is the best summary out there.
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Areas of "conservative" US understand more than most people think, the reason people look for stuff like Eisenhowers and Halfs are that they are disappearing and people who work close to the industrial heartland have keen awareness of what is scarce and valuable.
The Nickel and Copper Runs are a case in point, halfs have some sleepers and Eisenhowers are really a quite low mintage for a modern coinage.
Cars in point, Prius is a good idea but outside a small community area, the internal combustion engine still rules because of the distances that must be travelled.
Lets all try to learn from each other, libs and cons both still walk upright and don't have tails.
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just carl
Penny Hoarding Member
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 16:36:54
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Everyone lately is missing the point of the newest dollar coins. First the Mint tried one that failed due to it looked like a quarter. They knew this and made the new pile of junk gold colored which also failed. In a bar for instance they still look like a quarter. They had pretty decent success with the stupid state quarters so the Mint thinks everyone wants coins with people they know on them sort of like ewe all know we have states here. So now we are going to get bombarded with presidents, thier wifes, maybe their dogs and then their cars. Absolutely anything on a coin so people don't try to spend them, just hold them. Make them small like a quarter to continually confuse everyone.
The reason if simple. The entire country is going plastic. Credit and Debit cards everywhere. On line purchases with credit cards, checks, money orders, cashiers checks, etc. Less and less people using CASH, MONEY, CURRENCY. If none is used then it must be hoarded and collected or else guess who is next in downsizing? What do we need 3 Mints for if no one needs money? Shut them all down? Come on now. The government just can't lay off government personal even if they aren't doing anything. No they'll pretend everyone wants this silly baby dollar and will gladly carry hundreds of them everywhere they go. Imagine paying your next mortgage payment in those.
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Metalophile
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 07:28:46
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OK, just to play devil's advocate in defense of the dollar coin:
1) They're not reeded like the SBA's or like quarters. You should be able to feel the difference easily. The edge lettering also makes them easier to distinguish from quarters by sight.
2) The US government gets seingorage from them, NOT the pseudogovernmental Federal Reserve Bank which issues the paper money. Yes, paper money is produced by the BEP, a Federal agency, but the BEP does not sell them to the FED at face value. The Constitution gives the government the power to "coin money" not to "print notes for a pseudogovernment bank".
3) With identity theft and credit card theft rampant, I refuse to risk giving out my credit or debit cards for small purchases. (I also pay my credit cards in full every month, I don't give the banks one cent of interest!) I for one still use cash for many day-to-day local purchases.
I am in agreement, though that they could have picked better subjects for the new dollars other than dead presidents and their wives. I do somewhat resent the fact that the Mint is in effect perpetuating a voluntary tax on coin collectors. Of course you don't have to participate if you don't want to: just spend every presidential dollar that comes your way or lobby Congress to have the BEP stop printing $1 FRN's, then people will actually use the dollar coins. They also need to find some way of removing the SBA's from circulation and destroying them to end the confusion with the quarter.
As for myself, I do plan on putting a couple of rolls of each dead president dollar into medium-term storage. Maybe after the series is over I can then assemble 50 uncirculated sets (or 25 if I can trade my D's for P's and offer both P and D sets for real collectors, although it's hard to verify which mint mark you have without opening the rolls) and sell them on e-bay for a small profit. In the meantime I'm spending the other 4 rolls I got, and I'm checking them for errors.
Metalophile - frugal son of a frugal immigrant family of Chinese peasants.
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 09:54:41
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The penny weighs 2.5 grams.
The dime weighs 2.268 grams.
2.5 / 2.268 = 1.102292768959
So the penny weighs 1.102292768959 times as much as the dime.
Yet, I have no difficulty in telling the two apart.
I can do it in a bar.
I could I would do it in a car.
I can do it from afar,
I can see that they are different even when they are in a jar in a bar from afar.
Now,
The new dollar coins weigh 8.1 grams.
The qwarter weighs 5.67 grams.
8.1 / 5.67 = 1.428571428571
So the New Dollar weighs 1.428571428571 times as much as the qwarter.
I've actually done this in a bar.
I held a penny and a dime together in my left hand.
I held a new dollar and a qwarter in my right hand.
I ask my two compatriots if they could easily tell the difference between the penny and the dime.
I asked them, "When was the last time you confused one for the other?"
They admitted that it basically never happens.
Then I pulled the right hand out of my pocket and showed them a qwarter held tightly against a Washington Dollar.
Then I asked, "Is it any more or any less difficult to distinguish between these two coins or these tow coins"
They admitted that ever since the Susan B. Anthony fiasco, they have been brainwashed to say, "I can't tell the diffenece" without even thinking about it.
Try this dimenstration on yourself.
Pinch a dime and a penny in one hand and a qwarter and a Sakagewea in the other hand.
Please try it.
I mean really try it, don't just imagine having tried it, actually hold them in your actual hands, not just in your mind's eye.
Please!
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28 times 13 = 364
We cannot divide the 365.25 days of a year into eqwal parts.
We never have and never will.
We cannot even divide the 365 whole days or integer days into eqwal parts.
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Cerulean
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 10:37:55
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I've been casually spending half dollars, Sacagaweas and presidentials over the last six months, and nobody has yet confused them with quarters or refused them as payment. I leave them as tips at IHOP. I use them for buying vegetables. I use them in parking garages and bookstores and train stations.
One cashier needed an explanation on how much the half dollar is worth, to which I replied "fifty cents". Two cashiers insisted that I not spend them, since you never see them and should be saving them. I showed those two a whole handful of 'big coins' and mentioned that they came from the bank for the asking. They then accepted the coins. One cashier got excited by the new presidential; he was thrilled to see four of them!
I avoid puttting Susan B's in peoples' hands, and save them for vending machines instead. I support a dollar coin, but even I hate the Susan B. The longer it circulates, the more damage it does to its own cause. The Mint usually doesn't de-monetize obsolete designs, but for Ms. Anthony I wish they'd make an exception.
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Metalophile
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 11:27:05
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Good job, Cerulean! Have you ever had someone mistake a Kennedy half for a dollar? One time the cashier insisted I paid too much, then I pointed out that they were half dollars, not the new dollars!
BTW, one gripe about the presidential dollars that I do have is the use of the $ on the back. Makes it look like a game token or phony money or something.
Good rhyme, Atheist! Green Eggs and Ham is one of my kids' favorite books this week. I read it to them just two nights ago.
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 11:29:00
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Interesting points in this thread. Bottom line: dollar coins will never circulate along with paper dollars. If the FR banks stopped shipping paper dollars today, every retail business in the country would be handing out dollar coins as change by the end of the month.
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just carl
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 11:05:59
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Oddly enough if you can tell such differences in coins by touch, your a minority in this world. Many, many people have jobs and thier hands get used and are not as sensitive as some that can distinquish a dime from a cent. My next door neighbor is truck machanic and he has trouble with any coins. Other people around me are carpenters, pipe fitters, etc since I live in an industrial community. Many have hands and fingers that appear as tree stumps. One neighbor works for a tree cutting service and his hands are so scared up he has trouble holding a pencil. Nice to know someone has a touch that sensitive. I'll bet most of the people I know wish they could just feel coins at all. I've had many of those baby dollars given to me in change. And if your in a bar and can tell the difference in a quarter compared to those baby dollars, your obviously not there to drink anything alcoholic. I just had a new roof put on my house. The workers also had hands that appeared as workers hands normally do, like they work for a living. I don't think any of them could feel the difference in any coins unless they were gigantic. I am not making fun of office workers though. Someone has to have soft jobs and I'm not one to complain about a soft job. I have two degrees, have taught Jr. College, done engineering on Nuclears. I like the soft life. I hate manual labor. However, I do know that hands that work can not tell those stupid baby dollars from a quarter.
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Cody8404
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Posted - 10/26/2007 : 18:45:04
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I see the dollar coins as good for one of two things.
First the new presidential dollars will be compatible with the Looney and the Peso so we can easily convert to the Amero.
Or if they do not convert the people will be willing enough to keep them for being collectible that we will hang onto them until after the exchange time is past.
In the mean time I use them.
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fiatboy
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Posted - 10/26/2007 : 20:51:46
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The new dollar coins are of similar color, size, and value as the Loonie and, to a lesser degree, the Euro coins. I wonder why?
They don't say "dollar" on them, but they do have the dollar sign $, which just so happens to be the symbol for the peso. In an alternative reality, our dollar coins could also be peso coins, so why not an Amero coin? haha. Yes, I'm making a bit of a stretch here, but I think it's plausible. How many other U.S. coins don't say "dollar" on them? Baby steps, remember....a little here, a little there....That's how we've gone from a dollar being a unit of weight denominated in silver to either 1. a copper/magnesium slug or 2. a paper IOU redeamable for another paper IOU or 3. digits on a computer screen.
And I've also noticed that every new redesign of our paper money looks more and more like the Euro and many other currencies.
To wit, I do use the dollar coins sometimes, because they help me spend less, and I enjoy a tiny bit of satisfaction knowing I'm using the lesser form of two evils (vis-a-vis the FRN).
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