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JSutter
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Posted - 03/07/2009 :  08:55:29  Show Profile Send JSutter a Private Message
Here are two things I'm doing, or getting ready to do that I thought might interest others.

First of all I'm starting to raise rabbits for meat. According to the USDA rabbit meat has the highest protein of all common meat animals as well as the lowest levels of fat and cholesterol. Currently I have 3 bucks and 2 does. Supposed to be picking up more does in the next week or two. Already have all my cages built. Rabbits should be old enough to start breeding in the next 60 days.

From what I've read a good doe can have 5 litters of 6-12 rabbits per year, rabbits can be slaughtered for fryers at 9 weeks and roasters at 12-16 weeks.

I'm using the rabbit dropping along with free starbucks coffee grounds to do some vermicomposting for the garden. The other day I was reading and came across this link to a magazine article from the 70's You must be logged in to see this link.

Basically the guy was raising catfish in barrels in his backyar as a meat source. This got me to thinking. I already have a 1300 gallon rain water storage tank to keep down the garden related water and sewage bills. I called the county extension office and they are going to get me the catfish fingerlings.

My plans are to raise those in a 55 gallon barrel just like in the magazine article until they're about 4-5 inches long then put them into the 1300 gallon tank to grow out. They're supposed to grow to 1.25-1.5 lbs each over the course of a summer. I figure I can raise about 40-60 fingerlings every month so if I can get everything working correctly I should have about 50 1.25lb catfish and 10-20 rabbit fryers per month for home use.

I really like this system because the rabbits help the garden and the worms by providing compost. The worms can be fed to the catfish keeping feed for them to about 1/2 store bought. The rabbits and catfish can feed me and the family.

Has anyone tried anything similar to this?

Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 03/07/2009 :  15:52:28  Show Profile Send Delawhere Jack a Private Message
Caffeine in the coffee grounds might be an issue. Caffeine and nicotine are natural insect "repellents", not sure what if any effect that may have on worms. Probably not a problem if the percentage of grounds is kept low.


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darsemnos
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Posted - 03/07/2009 :  17:29:24  Show Profile Send darsemnos a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by JSutter

Here are two things I'm doing, or getting ready to do that I thought might interest others.

First of all I'm starting to raise rabbits for meat. According to the USDA rabbit meat has the highest protein of all common meat animals as well as the lowest levels of fat and cholesterol. Currently I have 3 bucks and 2 does. Supposed to be picking up more does in the next week or two. Already have all my cages built. Rabbits should be old enough to start breeding in the next 60 days.

From what I've read a good doe can have 5 litters of 6-12 rabbits per year, rabbits can be slaughtered for fryers at 9 weeks and roasters at 12-16 weeks.

I'm using the rabbit dropping along with free starbucks coffee grounds to do some vermicomposting for the garden. The other day I was reading and came across this link to a magazine article from the 70's You must be logged in to see this link.

Basically the guy was raising catfish in barrels in his backyar as a meat source. This got me to thinking. I already have a 1300 gallon rain water storage tank to keep down the garden related water and sewage bills. I called the county extension office and they are going to get me the catfish fingerlings.

My plans are to raise those in a 55 gallon barrel just like in the magazine article until they're about 4-5 inches long then put them into the 1300 gallon tank to grow out. They're supposed to grow to 1.25-1.5 lbs each over the course of a summer. I figure I can raise about 40-60 fingerlings every month so if I can get everything working correctly I should have about 50 1.25lb catfish and 10-20 rabbit fryers per month for home use.

I really like this system because the rabbits help the garden and the worms by providing compost. The worms can be fed to the catfish keeping feed for them to about 1/2 store bought. The rabbits and catfish can feed me and the family.

Has anyone tried anything similar to this?



Only problem I can think of is that fat and cholesterol are not bad for you. You need fat and cholesterol. There's a reason it's called rabbit starvation.
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 03/07/2009 :  18:50:45  Show Profile Send Delawhere Jack a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by darsemnos

quote:
Originally posted by JSutter

Here are two things I'm doing, or getting ready to do that I thought might interest others.

First of all I'm starting to raise rabbits for meat. According to the USDA rabbit meat has the highest protein of all common meat animals as well as the lowest levels of fat and cholesterol. Currently I have 3 bucks and 2 does. Supposed to be picking up more does in the next week or two. Already have all my cages built. Rabbits should be old enough to start breeding in the next 60 days.

From what I've read a good doe can have 5 litters of 6-12 rabbits per year, rabbits can be slaughtered for fryers at 9 weeks and roasters at 12-16 weeks.

I'm using the rabbit dropping along with free starbucks coffee grounds to do some vermicomposting for the garden. The other day I was reading and came across this link to a magazine article from the 70's You must be logged in to see this link.

Basically the guy was raising catfish in barrels in his backyar as a meat source. This got me to thinking. I already have a 1300 gallon rain water storage tank to keep down the garden related water and sewage bills. I called the county extension office and they are going to get me the catfish fingerlings.

My plans are to raise those in a 55 gallon barrel just like in the magazine article until they're about 4-5 inches long then put them into the 1300 gallon tank to grow out. They're supposed to grow to 1.25-1.5 lbs each over the course of a summer. I figure I can raise about 40-60 fingerlings every month so if I can get everything working correctly I should have about 50 1.25lb catfish and 10-20 rabbit fryers per month for home use.

I really like this system because the rabbits help the garden and the worms by providing compost. The worms can be fed to the catfish keeping feed for them to about 1/2 store bought. The rabbits and catfish can feed me and the family.

Has anyone tried anything similar to this?



Only problem I can think of is that fat and cholesterol are not bad for you. You need fat and cholesterol. There's a reason it's called rabbit starvation.



I was thinking of that too. Catfish probably provides some good fats, but I don't think any fresh water fish compares to salt water varieties in omega-oil content.

With enough wabbits though, maybe you could trade a couple for a bacon double cheese burger now and then.

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JSutter
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Posted - 03/08/2009 :  08:10:21  Show Profile Send JSutter a Private Message
Red wriggler worms actually love coffee grounds, they quickly turn them into worm castings for compost.

I'm aware of rabbit starvation and am not relying on rabbits as my only protein source, fats and cholesterols are good for you but only in moderation. Having a nice lean protein source to complement sources high in fat and cholesterol seems like a good idea to me.
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caridad
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USA
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Posted - 07/01/2009 :  18:19:30  Show Profile Send caridad a Private Message
consider a rooster and hen! you will never lack for fat, protein or an alarm clock.

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Nickelless
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USA
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Posted - 07/01/2009 :  20:21:08  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
Just curious, how are worms in terms of fat and cholesterol? That seems like it would be the easiest protein source to cultivate living in the city as I do.


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Nickelless
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Posted - 07/03/2009 :  01:36:07  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
Anyone ever raise goats?

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Bluegill
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Posted - 07/03/2009 :  22:35:34  Show Profile Send Bluegill a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Nickelless

Anyone ever raise goats?


Yes. When I was in 4-H me and my brothers had a few goats. My parents had a 5 acre parcel that used to be a small farm. They were for show and as pets.

They are rather easy to raise. They are very clean animals, they will not eat anything that touches the ground. Very smart, right up there with cats and dogs. They are normally quite, friendly and well mannered.

They free ranged during the warm months, during the winter you will have to feed them hay and grains. They bedded in a 10 x 12 building at night.

What ever you do, keep them out of the garden!!! These animals are opportunists that can problem solve. They will take advantage of an accidently unlocked gate. They can also figure out how to manipulate a simple latch mechanism and turn light swithes on and off...

Goat milk is very healthy. Their manure makes awesome fertilizer. Easier to raise than cows if you're doing it for the meat. If you got the room, not a lot of downside.

If things get really bad, they can be used for transportation.






Edited by - Bluegill on 07/03/2009 22:39:47
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Nickelless
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Posted - 07/04/2009 :  02:03:17  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
OK, totally random but related question: Anyone know of any videos on how to butcher various animals? Those of us who get our meat at Burger King might not know what to do after we shoot a deer.


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Nickelless
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Posted - 07/27/2009 :  05:17:57  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by JSutter

Red wriggler worms actually love coffee grounds, they quickly turn them into worm castings for compost.

I'm aware of rabbit starvation and am not relying on rabbits as my only protein source, fats and cholesterols are good for you but only in moderation. Having a nice lean protein source to complement sources high in fat and cholesterol seems like a good idea to me.

I got to thinking about this recently after I noticed how much my cats have slimmed down since I started feeding them Science Diet. (No, I'm not about to suggest cats as a sustainable protein source.) The flip side of the coin is that as I've changed my cats' food over time from brands with lots of fillers (especially corn) to a brand with almost no fillers, they've slimmed way down, so I got to wondering, would it be possible to raise rabbits with a higher fat content by feeding them a diet that was full of fillers like what you find in a lot of dog and cat food--corn, rice, etc.?

EDIT: You wouldn't want to eat my cats anyway. They drink out of the toilet.



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Edited by - Nickelless on 07/27/2009 05:23:56
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jtm3
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Posted - 07/27/2009 :  21:43:17  Show Profile Send jtm3 a Private Message
If you are looking for info on home farming (self sustenance-type stuff)You must be logged in to see this link. is a great site.

It has info on raising Chickens, Pigs, Goats, and Cows(meat and dairy).

Also has vegetable gardening info.

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Gr33nday43
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 08/05/2009 :  03:38:24  Show Profile  Send Gr33nday43 a Yahoo! Message Send Gr33nday43 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Nickelless

quote:
Originally posted by JSutter

Red wriggler worms actually love coffee grounds, they quickly turn them into worm castings for compost.

I'm aware of rabbit starvation and am not relying on rabbits as my only protein source, fats and cholesterols are good for you but only in moderation. Having a nice lean protein source to complement sources high in fat and cholesterol seems like a good idea to me.

I got to thinking about this recently after I noticed how much my cats have slimmed down since I started feeding them Science Diet. (No, I'm not about to suggest cats as a sustainable protein source.) The flip side of the coin is that as I've changed my cats' food over time from brands with lots of fillers (especially corn) to a brand with almost no fillers, they've slimmed way down, so I got to wondering, would it be possible to raise rabbits with a higher fat content by feeding them a diet that was full of fillers like what you find in a lot of dog and cat food--corn, rice, etc.?

EDIT: You wouldn't want to eat my cats anyway. They drink out of the toilet.





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Nickelless
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Posted - 08/05/2009 :  03:43:51  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
Every time I'm in the can and Phoebe hears me in there, she'll come running in and I have to push her away with my foot while I'm, um, standing there. It's really funny.


**ahem** So, back on topic...


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wolvesdad
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Posted - 08/05/2009 :  03:56:04  Show Profile Send wolvesdad a Private Message
Just a side note.... I also don't think that the caffeine in the coffee would be an issue. Likely, there is little caffine remaining, it is the easiest and first chemical to 'leach' or come out of the grounds. If brewed even close to correctly, most of it should have been released already.

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Nickelless
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Posted - 08/05/2009 :  04:01:05  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
I think the key component of coffee grounds is nitrogen, which is an excellent contributor to plant growth. I'm still studying up on vermiculture and hope to start working on vermiculturing (if that's a word) as soon as I get moved into a new apartment in a couple months.


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Posted - 08/23/2009 :  17:10:11  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
Just saw this story online...I wonder how long it will take for these "pets" to become dinner:

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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 08/24/2009 :  06:24:17  Show Profile Send NotABigDeal a Private Message
Crickets, or meal worms. Easy to raise, and in large numbers as well. Tasty....

Deal

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Nickelless
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Posted - 08/24/2009 :  17:32:51  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
Got any recipes for crickets or meal worms, Deal?

On a related note, I read the book as a kid but haven't seen the movie:

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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 08/24/2009 :  18:02:17  Show Profile Send NotABigDeal a Private Message
Nope. I have tried them before though.

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JSutter
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Posted - 09/06/2009 :  09:29:14  Show Profile Send JSutter a Private Message
I wouldn't try to raise fat rabbits. You'd be sacrificing the overall health of the animal. Also overweight rabbits dont breed as well so you could end up with less of a herd. As long as you're not looking at rabbit as your only source of meat you shouldn't have to worry about rabbit starvation.
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