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Copper Catcher
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 Posted - 02/05/2009 : 15:24:20
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Are you actually hording food? If yes, how much do you think enough is?
If no, do you think you will have time to buy what you need when the time comes or are you really not that pessimistic and think it is going to get that bad?
Just curious to hear your opinion!
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Cody8404
Penny Hoarding Member
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 15:32:39
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No, I am not hoarding food. I think I only have enough for about one month before I would need to go to the store.
I do have some seeds though. |
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Nickelless
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Bluegill
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 16:40:16
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I currently live in a small apartment and really don't have the room even if I wanted to. I do usually have about a month's supply.
I'm not 100% sold on the idea that if SHTF we will have a Mad Max scenario, or anything even remotely close.
If by chance that did happen, the bunker mentality is the one that will get you killed. I will want to be highly mobile to get out of troubles way.
Good luck moving you're 1 year hoard on an hours notice. I don't care how many guns and ammo you have. When the pillaging anarchist gangs come calling, you will be out numbered, and you're gonna die. You will take some with you, but you're gonna die. Then they will take your hoard.
But long before that happens, the government will start rationing and passing anti hoarding legislation. Along with PM and firearm confiscation. They will set up check points and make you document and justify your every movement. Financial transactions will be electronic only by mandate.
They will label you a terrorist and treat you accordingly (remember Waco..?) if you don't cooperate.
They will pit neighbor against neighbor to expose those who disobey. Or worse, use our children against us. Much like the government is already using children to expose their parents if a gun is in the house (Obama Youth..?).
We will all get rounded up and "saved" by being placed in a REX 84 camp long before the Mad Max scenario arrives.
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redneck
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 16:53:30
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Originally posted by Bluegill
I currently live in a small apartment and really don't have the room even if I wanted to. I do usually have about a month's supply.
I'm not 100% sold on the idea that if SHTF we will have a Mad Max scenario, or anything even remotely close.
If by chance that did happen, the bunker mentality is the one that will get you killed. I will want to be highly mobile to get out of troubles way.
Good luck moving you're 1 year hoard on an hours notice. I don't care how many guns and ammo you have. When the pillaging anarchist gangs come calling, you will be out numbered, and you're gonna die. You will take some with you, but you're gonna die. Then they will take your hoard.
But long before that happens, the government will start rationing and passing anti hoarding legislation. Along with PM and firearm confiscation. They will set up check points and make you document and justify your every movement. Financial transactions will be electronic only by mandate.
They will label you a terrorist and treat you accordingly (remember Waco..?) if you don't cooperate.
They will pit neighbor against neighbor to expose those who disobey. Or worse, use our children against us. Much like the government is already using children to expose their parents if a gun is in the house (Obama Youth..?).
We will all get rounded up and "saved" by being placed in a REX 84 camp long before the Mad Max scenario arrives.
Why such a rosey forecast...?
I think the direct approach would have been better...
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Delawhere Jack
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 17:43:24
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Originally posted by redneck
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Originally posted by Bluegill
I currently live in a small apartment and really don't have the room even if I wanted to. I do usually have about a month's supply.
I'm not 100% sold on the idea that if SHTF we will have a Mad Max scenario, or anything even remotely close.
If by chance that did happen, the bunker mentality is the one that will get you killed. I will want to be highly mobile to get out of troubles way.
Good luck moving you're 1 year hoard on an hours notice. I don't care how many guns and ammo you have. When the pillaging anarchist gangs come calling, you will be out numbered, and you're gonna die. You will take some with you, but you're gonna die. Then they will take your hoard.
But long before that happens, the government will start rationing and passing anti hoarding legislation. Along with PM and firearm confiscation. They will set up check points and make you document and justify your every movement. Financial transactions will be electronic only by mandate.
They will label you a terrorist and treat you accordingly (remember Waco..?) if you don't cooperate.
They will pit neighbor against neighbor to expose those who disobey. Or worse, use our children against us. Much like the government is already using children to expose their parents if a gun is in the house (Obama Youth..?).
We will all get rounded up and "saved" by being placed in a REX 84 camp long before the Mad Max scenario arrives.
Why such a rosey forecast...?
I think the direct approach would have been better...
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Yeah Bluegill, what's with all the sugarcoating? 
I'm thinking that those of us who see what's likely coming will be at least 24hrs ahead of the curve, barring an assassination or something similar. Hopefully that will be sufficient time to "GOOD".
If not, I'll see y'all in hell! 
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 17:59:22
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| I'm not so much hoarding food but rather I'm investing in food. Even if there is never a situation were food is in short supply you can almost count on it costing more in the future. For example my hoard, I mean supply, of tuna fish has done far better as an investment than silver has over the past year. |
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redneck
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 18:09:12
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Originally posted by Ardent Listener
I'm not so much hoarding food but rather I'm investing in food. Even if there is never a situation were food is in short supply you can almost count on it costing more in the future. For example my hoard, I mean supply, of tuna fish has done far better as an investment than silver has over the past year.
So true...
Food has been increasing 10-20% every year.With all this bailout money that is being thrown around now,and with higher inflation just around the corner, food, something everyone needs, is a good investment.
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Bluegill
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 18:23:12
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Not just food, but basically any item that you use or need to live. Now is the time, when this deflationary unwinding stops, hang on. Trillion dollar deficits don't come free...
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Delawhere Jack
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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1680 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2009 : 18:24:39
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Is there anyone on the forum located in the corn belt, or the wheat belt that can confirm that farmers are able to get the credit they need to buy seed, fertilizer, fuel, equipment etc?
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Nickelless
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Copper Catcher
Administrator
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 20:31:38
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| Ardent Listener when the crisis hits I will be sending you my three cats! I'm sure at least two will help you eat your tuna! :-) |
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Copper Catcher
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 20:32:53
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| I think this is good and healthy discussion and hope others will join in and give us their 2 cent worth! |
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Nickelless
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Nickelless
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 20:46:41
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Originally posted by Cody8404
No, I am not hoarding food. I think I only have enough for about one month before I would need to go to the store.
I do have some seeds though.
If you're expecting food to be around after an emergency hits, besides the fact that everyone else who has been procrastinating will also be rushing to get food and emptying shelves quickly, think again. Remember the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina:
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Here's more food for thought. Especially take a look at the second paragraph (which I've bolded):
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By BRETT BARROUQUERE
The Associated Press
Thursday, February 05, 2009
LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Nearly 168,000 emergency meal kits sent to Kentucky in the wake of an ice storm had been recalled more than two weeks earlier because some contained peanut butter that could have been contaminated by salmonella, federal officials said Thursday.
An apparent communication breakdown among federal officials allowed the kits to be sent to Kentucky to help feed hundreds of thousands of people left without power at the height of last week's storm. The storm also swept through Arkansas, but federal officials don't believe people there got the meal kits affected by the recall.
People were warned Thursday not to eat the peanut butter packets. No illnesses have been reported and recalls were ordered out of "an abundance of caution," said Jay Blanton, a spokesman for Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear.
The company that distributed the peanut butter packetsused in the meals recalled them last month because of the salmonella outbreak suspected of sickening at least 575 people, eight of whom died. A Blakely, Ga., peanut-processing plant that produces a fraction of U.S. peanut products is being investigated in the outbreak.
The company that packaged the meals, Red Cloud Foods Inc., sent a memo dated Jan. 19 to the arm of the Department of Defense responsible for getting them to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. But FEMA said it didn't learn of the recall until Wednesday, more than two weeks later.
Beshear had eaten some of the peanut butter while touring storm damage and said Thursday he felt "pretty good."
But people still in shelters because of the storm weren't so positive.
"You look forward to them helping and they're handing out things that are making it worse," said Rebecca Schmelz, who was at a shelter in downtown Greenville with her 6-month-old and 6-year-old sons.
She said her family had eaten several emergency meals but she did not believe any contained the peanut butter packets shown on a FEMA flier warning people about possible salmonella.
"I'm glad that my kids don't eat peanut butter, that's for sure," she said.
The kits, which contained entrees, cookies, chips and sometimes peanut butter packets, were assembled in September for relief efforts after Hurricane Ike, said Bob Harrison, chairman of South Elgin, Ill.-based Red Cloud Foods Inc.
Harrison said Red Cloud learned of the peanut butter recall and notified the Defense Supply Center Philadelphia, an arm of the Department of Defense that supplies meals to FEMA, that it was recalling about 530,000 meals. Dennis Gauci, spokesman for the Defense Logistics Agency, which oversees the supply center, could not say when the recall notice was received from Red Cloud or when FEMA was notified.
FEMA spokeswomanAlexandra Kirin said the Food and Drug Administration notified it about 10 days ago that a different company had been added to the list of recalled products that might contain contaminated peanut butter. FEMA went through all of its prepared meals and found fewer than 10,000 made by that company. They were removed so disaster victims wouldn't get them.
On Wednesday, the FDA told FEMA that a new company, Red Cloud, had been added to the recall list. Red Cloud told FEMA it had notified the Defense Supply Center Philadelphia in January.
As of Thursday evening, FEMA did not know why Defense Supply Center Philadelphia did not tell it about that notification.
"So we need to find out about that," said Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.
She said FEMA was telling people to throw away the packets and the meals would be replaced by Friday. She did not know if the new batch would include peanut butter products.
FDA spokeswoman Stephanie Kwisnek said Thursday the agency could not answer questions from The Associated Press about the FEMA meals.
Kirin said 167,900 of the Red Cloud meals were distributed in Kentucky. It wasn't clear what happened to the rest of the 530,000 and whether any had been distributed to victims of Hurricane Ike or other disasters.
According to an internal briefing document Thursday morning, FEMA had delivered 959,000 meals to Kentucky in the aftermath of the ice storm, with 490,000 more on the way over the next few days. Arkansas received 468,864, and no more were expected.
Kentucky National Guard Chief Warrant Officer Connie Vick said emergency meals containing peanut butter had likely been distributed to nearly two dozen counties there.
Meals with the suspect peanut butter were found at Nelson Creek Missionary Baptist Church in western Kentucky, but only one had been taken and it wasn't eaten.
Nelson Creek Volunteer Fire Chief Terry Peveler said his wife, Michaelle, had planned to eat a meal that included peanut butter but didn't because her boss bought pizza. He said he wasn't angry at FEMA.
"If they hadn't handed them out, a lot of people would be starving," he said.
The salmonella outbreak has led to questions about Peanut Corp. of America and its Georgia plant operated. Authorities say Peanut Corp. shipped peanut butter, paste and other products that had tested positive for salmonella. The company retested, got a negative reading, and shipped the products. A criminal investigation is under way. The Lynchburg, Va.-based company denies any wrongdoing and said Wednesday that the Blakely plant received regular visits and inspections from state and federal authorities in 2008.
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hobo finds
Penny Hoarding Member
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 22:57:00
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silverhalide
Penny Sorter Member
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Posted - 02/06/2009 : 12:05:56
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| Actually, I have been depleting supplies and have been replacing any items that run out in a as needed manner. I normally keep an average of 9-12 month supply on hand but am I down to 2 months. Current food prices are way too high given that many food derived commodity prices are 50% lower than they were 6 months ago to justify hording at this time. |
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Lemon Thrower
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2009 : 13:02:25
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"hoarding" is such a vulgar term.
I am stimulating the economy by spending FRN's on necessities. Admittedly, I am pre-purchasing necessities.
When folks get to thinking about the value of paper FRN's, they will do the same. When lots of people start doing this, the velocity of money increases. That's when we will move from deflation to hyperinflation. Get ready. |
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CoinHunter53562
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 02/07/2009 : 22:51:12
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| I made a small purchase today of about 80 cans of food (vegetables, chili, spaghettio's, fruit). It's all stuff that I will eat even if we dont ever have a SHTF scenario. I also picked up 4 boxes of pasta, 2 large boxes of cereal, some cat food, spaghetti sauce, some frozen foods....all for under $70. We have a large grocery store going out of biz and liquidating everything. It's now 25% off minimum on everything but the pickings are very slim already. |
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highroller4321
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 02/07/2009 : 22:57:26
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Originally posted by Delawhere Jack
Is there anyone on the forum located in the corn belt, or the wheat belt that can confirm that farmers are able to get the credit they need to buy seed, fertilizer, fuel, equipment etc?
I live in Iowa and can confirm that at least around me farmers have ZERO trouble getting the money they need. Farm land was going for record prices over the summer. Highest I saw was a 125 acre lot go for $12,500 an acre!!!! Hard to make money when you spend that much an acre.... |
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Delawhere Jack
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 02/07/2009 : 23:11:03
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Originally posted by highroller4321
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Originally posted by Delawhere Jack
Is there anyone on the forum located in the corn belt, or the wheat belt that can confirm that farmers are able to get the credit they need to buy seed, fertilizer, fuel, equipment etc?
I live in Iowa and can confirm that at least around me farmers have ZERO trouble getting the money they need. Farm land was going for record prices over the summer. Highest I saw was a 125 acre lot go for $12,500 an acre!!!! Hard to make money when you spend that much an acre....
Thanks, that's at least a little comfort. (That the farmers are funded).
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JSutter
Penny Pincher Member
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Posted - 02/15/2009 : 10:18:24
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Originally posted by Bluegill
I currently live in a small apartment and really don't have the room even if I wanted to. I do usually have about a month's supply.
I'm not 100% sold on the idea that if SHTF we will have a Mad Max scenario, or anything even remotely close.
If by chance that did happen, the bunker mentality is the one that will get you killed. I will want to be highly mobile to get out of troubles way.
Good luck moving you're 1 year hoard on an hours notice. I don't care how many guns and ammo you have. When the pillaging anarchist gangs come calling, you will be out numbered, and you're gonna die. You will take some with you, but you're gonna die. Then they will take your hoard.
Yeah ok, so what happens IF you ARE forced to stay and can't get out of town due to unsafe environmental conditions, unrest, etc? I'd rather have my years worth of food and make the decision to leave it all behind and go than be stuck and have no food. You can't just plan for one scenario, you had better be prepared to stay AND to go.
The small apartment excuse is a no go. I live in a 550 sq ft apartment and have more than enough food and preps to sustain me for a year stashed away out of sight. Here are some photos and details I put up in a discussion on another board.
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Nickelless
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Posted - 02/15/2009 : 13:19:01
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Originally posted by JSutter
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Originally posted by Bluegill
I currently live in a small apartment and really don't have the room even if I wanted to. I do usually have about a month's supply.
I'm not 100% sold on the idea that if SHTF we will have a Mad Max scenario, or anything even remotely close.
If by chance that did happen, the bunker mentality is the one that will get you killed. I will want to be highly mobile to get out of troubles way.
Good luck moving you're 1 year hoard on an hours notice. I don't care how many guns and ammo you have. When the pillaging anarchist gangs come calling, you will be out numbered, and you're gonna die. You will take some with you, but you're gonna die. Then they will take your hoard.
Yeah ok, so what happens IF you ARE forced to stay and can't get out of town due to unsafe environmental conditions, unrest, etc? I'd rather have my years worth of food and make the decision to leave it all behind and go than be stuck and have no food. You can't just plan for one scenario, you had better be prepared to stay AND to go.
The small apartment excuse is a no go. I live in a 550 sq ft apartment and have more than enough food and preps to sustain me for a year stashed away out of sight. Here are some photos and details I put up in a discussion on another board.
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Dude, those photos are awesome. I'm adding your link as a sticky note.
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JSutter
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Posted - 02/15/2009 : 13:36:09
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| Thanks Nickeless, you've been to my place and seen how small the apartment is but I am using up every square inch of space that would normally have nothing there like under the bed, between the dresser and corner, etc and even when people are over everything is out of sight. |
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Nickelless
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Posted - 02/15/2009 : 14:49:44
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Originally posted by Bluegill
I currently live in a small apartment and really don't have the room even if I wanted to. I do usually have about a month's supply.
I'm not 100% sold on the idea that if SHTF we will have a Mad Max scenario, or anything even remotely close.
If by chance that did happen, the bunker mentality is the one that will get you killed. I will want to be highly mobile to get out of troubles way.
Good luck moving you're 1 year hoard on an hours notice. I don't care how many guns and ammo you have. When the pillaging anarchist gangs come calling, you will be out numbered, and you're gonna die. You will take some with you, but you're gonna die. Then they will take your hoard.
But long before that happens, the government will start rationing and passing anti hoarding legislation. Along with PM and firearm confiscation. They will set up check points and make you document and justify your every movement. Financial transactions will be electronic only by mandate.
They will label you a terrorist and treat you accordingly (remember Waco..?) if you don't cooperate.
They will pit neighbor against neighbor to expose those who disobey. Or worse, use our children against us. Much like the government is already using children to expose their parents if a gun is in the house (Obama Youth..?).
We will all get rounded up and "saved" by being placed in a REX 84 camp long before the Mad Max scenario arrives.
And what if we AREN'T carted away WTSHTF?? Bottom line, answer this question: What's more important than spending money right now while you can on stuff you'll need to survive but would be totally screwed if you didn't have? I can't think of a single necessity I'd neglect if I had the means to get it to go off instead blowing my hard-earned FRNs on stuff that won't keep me alive. If there's anything more important--I'm not saying more "fun," I'm saying more IMPORTANT--to spend FRNs on right now than food, ammo and other preps, I'd like to know what those things are.
EDIT: Bluegill, I'm not meaning to single you out, so please don't take offense, but there are a lot of other people who seem content to put off preparing for TSHTF, so I started this thread for discussion on what's more important than preparing just to help dredge up arguments against preparing. Please don't take offense, I'm not targeting you with this thread, in fact I'm glad you maybe opened up a can of worms that needs to be dealt with but that a lot of people are ignoring:
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Bluegill
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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1964 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2009 : 15:30:56
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Originally posted by JSutter
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Originally posted by Bluegill
I currently live in a small apartment and really don't have the room even if I wanted to. I do usually have about a month's supply.
I'm not 100% sold on the idea that if SHTF we will have a Mad Max scenario, or anything even remotely close.
If by chance that did happen, the bunker mentality is the one that will get you killed. I will want to be highly mobile to get out of troubles way.
Good luck moving you're 1 year hoard on an hours notice. I don't care how many guns and ammo you have. When the pillaging anarchist gangs come calling, you will be out numbered, and you're gonna die. You will take some with you, but you're gonna die. Then they will take your hoard.
Yeah ok, so what happens IF you ARE forced to stay and can't get out of town due to unsafe environmental conditions, unrest, etc? I'd rather have my years worth of food and make the decision to leave it all behind and go than be stuck and have no food. You can't just plan for one scenario, you had better be prepared to stay AND to go.
The small apartment excuse is a no go. I live in a 550 sq ft apartment and have more than enough food and preps to sustain me for a year stashed away out of sight. Here are some photos and details I put up in a discussion on another board.
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First off, my lifestyle and preparation decisions are none of your business. They are not presented for your approval. It’s not an ”excuse” for you to determine if it is a go or no go…
I have stated before, and I will state it again. I don’t feel we are going to have a Mad Max collapse of humanity like some here think. I could be wrong. So can you.
“IF you ARE forced to stay and can't get out of town due to unsafe environmental conditions, unrest, etc?”
So if it is unsafe for me to leave the parking lot it will be safe on my side of the curb. A little oasis..?
As long as there are deliveries of food, gasoline and other goods, there will be no roaming gangs or other mass unrest. No reason for me to bug out or hunker down. No reason to keep a year’s worth of creamed corn and green beans in every nook and cranny I can find in my apartment. Just my months supply.
If there are roaming gangs and anarchy, that means the deliveries stopped. I’m not hanging around waiting for trouble to find me, and I’m not leaving behind all that creamed corn and green beans.
This “collapse” isn’t going to go down without warning some Monday morning this summer. There will be a whole series of events taking places long before. This “collapse” could take years to pan out, if it ever does. As necessary, I will change my outlook and plans as things unfold.
IMHO, we will see hyper inflation, high unemployment, possibly some intermittent shortages and some rationing. Maybe a reduction, or interruption of local and state government. If the crime rate rises (which it most likely will), expect curfews and check points. Along with a further eroding of what few rights and liberties we still have.
It is too early for anybody to know with absolute certainty what is coming down the pike. You do what you feel is necessary and I will do the same. In the meantime, we can agree to disagree. 
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