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Nickelless
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Neckro
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Posted - 01/17/2009 : 22:36:28
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| I dunno, never had a problem with neighbors hens making noise. But roosters are illegal due to noise. |
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natsb88
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 Posted - 01/17/2009 : 22:41:23
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Zoning laws aside, is there a way to silence chickens in the suburbs so neighbors don't notice them?
Heh, somebody in town has some. I was heading home a few weeks ago and half a dozen really funny looking white cats crossed the street about half a block in front of me. When I got along side them I realized what they were. Wasn't expecting that one...
That area is technically outside the borough limits and only under township jurisdiction. There are quite a few other places in the township with chickens, so as long as nobody complains about them I don't think they are a problem. |
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Nickelless
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Lemon Thrower
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Posted - 01/18/2009 : 05:36:22
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chickens smell awful bad.
on the other hand, I would love to know how to get organic eggs from somone relatively close to me. |
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 01/18/2009 : 10:06:43
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Zoning laws aside, is there a way to silence chickens in the suburbs so neighbors don't notice them?
Wabbits are siwent, and tasty too!
One concern w/ chickens, particularly if you are in an area where they're raised commercially is disease. There are a lot of chicken breeders on the Delmarva peninsula, and they've all got big signs posted stating that you are not to enter the coop area without going through a decontamination process. Same applies when leaving the area.
I think it mainly applies to people/equipment that visit multiple farms and the concern over avian flu or similar diseases being spread.
I'm not sure, but there is probably a threshold on the number you can keep before you're considered a commercial enterprise. Crossing that threshold (which I doubt you would with a home situation) would invite inspectors, permitting, etc.
On the other hand, the butcher where we take our deer had a bunch of hens and at least one rooster foraging around in his front yard, and they are near the heart of chicken country.
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 01/18/2009 : 10:15:31
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Some local ordinances regarding keeping chickens:
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Lemon Thrower
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Posted - 01/18/2009 : 12:52:44
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| I could never get my rabbits to lay any eggs. |
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Nickelless
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Nickelless
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Posted - 01/18/2009 : 20:55:22
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Not sure how easy it would be to raise raccoons for food, but...
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He rolls into the parking lot of Leon's Thriftway in an old, maroon Impala with a trunk full of frozen meat. Raccoon — the other dark meat.
In five minutes, Montrose, Mo., trapper Larry Brownsberger is sold out in the lot at 39th Street and Kensington Avenue. Word has gotten around about how clean his frozen raccoon carcasses are. How nicely they’re tucked up in their brown butcher paper. How they almost look like a trussed turkey … or something.
His loyal customers beam as they leave, thinking about the meal they'll soon be eating.
That is, as soon as the meat is thawed. Then brined. Soaked overnight. Parboiled for two hours. Slow-roasted or smoked or barbecued to perfection.
Raccoon, which made the first edition of The Joy of Cooking in 1931, is labor-intensive but well worth the time, aficionados say.
"Good things come to those who wait," says A. Reed, 86, who has been eating raccoon since she was a girl.
"This right here," she says, holding up a couple of brown packages tied with burlap string, “this is a great value. And really good eatin’. Best-kept secret around.”
Raccoons go for $3 to $7 — each, not per pound — and will feed about five adults. Four, if they’re really hungry.
Those who dine on raccoon meat sound the same refrain: It's good eatin'.
As long as you can get past the "ick" factor that it's a varmint, more often seen flattened on asphalt than featured on a restaurant menu. (One exception: French restaurant Le Fou Frog served raccoon about a dozen years ago, a waiter said.)
Eating varmints is even in vogue these days, at least in Britain. The New York Times reported last week that Brits are eating squirrels with wild abandon.
Here in Kansas City, you won't see many, if any, squirrel ads in the papers. But that's where Brownsberger was advertising his raccoons last week.
The meat isn’t USDA-inspected, and few state regulations apply, same as with deer and other game. No laws prevent trappers from selling raccoon carcasses.
As for diseases, raccoon rabies doesn't exist in Missouri, state conservation scientists say. It's an East Coast phenomenon. Parvo and distemper kill raccoons quickly but aren’t transferred to humans. Also, trappers are unlikely to sell meat from an animal that appears to be diseased.
"Raccoon meat is some of the healthiest meat you can eat," says Jeff Beringer, a furbearer resource biologist with the Missouri Department of Conservation.
"During grad school, my roommate and I ate 32 coons one winter. It was all free, and it was really good. If you think about being green and eating organically, raccoon meat is the ultimate organic food," with no steroids, no antibiotics, no growth hormones.
And when people eat wild meat, Beringer says, "it reminds the modernized society — people who usually eat food from a plastic wrapper — where food comes from.”
Statewide, consumption of raccoon meat can be tracked somewhat by how many raccoon pelts are harvested each year. In 2007, 118,166 pelts were sold.
But there are plenty more out there, Beringer says. The raccoon population "doubled in the '80s. There's more now than when Missouri was first settled."
He estimates there are about 20 raccoons per square mile of habitat.
In the wild, raccoons typically live five or six years. Populations that grow too dense can be decimated by disease, especially when temperatures drop, Beringer says.
"The animals huddle together, passing on the infections. In the winter, we sometimes have massive die-offs. If we can control the fluctuations in the populations by hunting and trapping, we can have healthier animals."
Fur trappers, who harvest most of the raccoons sold in Missouri, "try to kill as humanely as possible," says Beringer, a trapper himself. "It's part of the culture."
Pelts last year sold on average for about $17. They're used for coats and hats, and many are sold to Russia. But the conflict between Russia and Georgia severely cut into the fur-trading market, Beringer says. "Pelts will probably be less this year."
For the average person, who probably doesn't spend much time thinking how a steer or a pig or a chicken might meet its maker, raccoons may seem too cute to eat.
Until you try one.
At the Blue Springs home of Billy Washington, raccoon, fish, bison and deer are staples on his family’s table.
On this day, it's raccoon.
All night he has been soaking a carcass in a solution of salt and vinegar in a five-gallon bucket. Now he rinses the raccoon in his kitchen sink.
"Eating raccoon has never gone out of style. It's just hard to get unless you know somebody," he says as he carefully trims away the fat and the scent glands.
"My kids love eating game. They think eating deer and buffalo make you run faster and jump higher. My grandkids will just tear this one up, it'll be so good."
The meat is almost ready to be boiled, except for one thing: Although its head, innards and three paws have been removed, it still has one. That’s the law.
"They leave the paw on to prove it's not a cat or a dog," Washington says.
He cuts off the paw and drops the carcass into a stew pot, slices up a carrot, celery and onion, and sprinkles some seasoning into the water. Two and a half hours later, he transfers it to a Dutch oven. It looks a lot like chicken.
He bathes the raccoon with his own combination of barbecue sauces. Stuffs the cavity with canned sweet potatoes and pours the rest of the juice from the can over the breast.
"I follow the same tradition I watched when I was little. My uncle would cook 'em all day, saving the littlest coon for me," he says.
"If stores could sell coon, we’d run out of them. It's a long-hidden secret that they're so good."
After several hours, a delicious smell — roast beef? chicken? — drifts from the oven.
A mingling of garlic and onion and sweet-smelling spices.
And when Washington opens the lid, a tiny leg falls easily from the bone.
“See that? Tender as a mother’s love,” he says with a grin. “Good eatin’.”
And the taste?
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Neckro
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Posted - 01/18/2009 : 21:03:47
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| Haha, I could eat a goat, camel, anything, but not a raccoon. =/ I'm more fond of them then cats. |
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 01/19/2009 : 06:07:37
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Nickelless, I read that when it originally ran in the paper. I guess I would try it once, if it is prepared correctly.
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Posted - 01/23/2009 : 21:32:38
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| Started keeping chickens a few month back. Its totally legal in the big Southeastern City I live in. A good chicken will lay 1 egg a day and are fairly self sufficient. They just need fresh water, the most basic of shelters, and feed or room to range. A rooster is not required to get eggs, only more chicks. They do make some noise. Diatomoteous Earth keeps the smell and flies away. The turds are amazing fertilizer. |
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caridad
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Posted - 12/15/2009 : 01:24:18
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| delaware jack, thank you for the website of You must be logged in to see this link. . thank you very much. |
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Posted - 12/25/2009 : 10:34:00
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| My meat rabbit venture is going pretty well. I haven't even been breeding them that often and I still have a bunch. I am going to increase the volume and start slaughtering more soon. I built a large shed with about 30 cages to keep them in and made a wood burning stove to put in there to knock the chill off on very cold days and nights so the young kits don't freeze. |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 12/25/2009 : 12:14:18
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I would eat the coons.. but I don't think I can catch em. There are plenty in my yard. I couldn't raise chickens 'cause the coons and possums would kill 'em.
We actually have a chicken at work. I see it walking across the parking lot sometimes.  |
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thogey
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Posted - 12/25/2009 : 16:52:25
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I dunno, never had a problem with neighbors hens making noise. But roosters are illegal due to noise.
My hens stopped laying. That was their last mistake. Their first mistake was a gawdawful clucking at 4:00 am (usally because coyotes would scare them). Anyway I was able to give away the oropinas. The whiterocks got the hatchet. Do not name your hens. You might wind up giving them more grace than they deserve. |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 12/25/2009 : 18:37:52
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Cat!
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 12/26/2009 : 16:47:30
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delaware jack, thank you for the website of You must be logged in to see this link. . thank you very much.
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faithnotwork
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Posted - 12/29/2009 : 15:46:26
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Chickens dont stink when you give them plenty of room, dont keep them enclosed all the time and clean out their area. Yeah, dont name the chickens, we have one that doesnt lay any eggs but she is the smallest and walks up and submits (almost lays flat) so you can pet her. My wife named her "Henny Penny". Now she is another mouth to feed. She is one of those that lays the blue/green eggs and we aren't getting too many of those..
On the other hand, the "boy" is getting aggressive. He loves my wife, but hates me. When he sees me he quickly runs over. When I turn my back on him, he comes behind me, flutters himself up and I think he kicks me at least thats what it feels like. Oh well, I guess I know what we are having for dinner...
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