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Nickelless
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Posted - 12/10/2008 :  21:31:55  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
For the sake of time at the moment, I'll start this thread with a letter of mine that was published on SurvivalBlog.com recently:

Over the past couple years, I've bought about a dozen Nesco American Harvester food dehydrators (the absolute best on the market--the only one with a fan to push hot air through the trays) and have set up an assembly line to dehydrate several cases of fruits, vegetables and meats every week. In the off-season when fresh produce is relatively expensive, I switch gears and buy cases of canned vegetables and proceed to dehydrate the contents, then put the dehydrated product in Mason jars with oxygen absorbers. You can search eBay for the dehydrators at this link:

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As one example of the space efficiency of this, eight 29-oz. cans of diced tomatoes fit into a one-quart mason jar after dehydration--a great way to go if you don't have much storage space. (I save the vegetable juices in ice cube trays and use the juices in broths later, so nothing is wasted.)

I've got a couple hundred quart-size mason jars of various vegetables, plus several hundred pounds of rice and varieties of beans that I toss together as a soup mix and put about 20 lbs. worth in a 2-gallon-sized Mylar food storage bag (which can be ordered from SorbentSystems.com) and keep it in my bug-out bag so that if I have to hit the road on short notice (flash-flooding in my region this summer was one such instance), I have food to last me for quite a while--compact and nutritionally complete.

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One note I will add is that to make dehydration a bit easier and to keep food from sticking to the dehydrator trays, order a set of food-grade plastic mesh liners directly from Nesco. (High-sugar foods such as tomatoes are especially a problem, which the tray liners solve.) Here's the ordering link from the Nesco website:

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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 12/11/2008 :  06:35:02  Show Profile Send NotABigDeal a Private Message
I've always wanted a dehydrator, but I only know that I like jerky. I've tried a lot of kinds of food but my dehydrated food experience is limited. I would love to try some some day. I need to get one and just go at it I guess. Nice post.

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Posted - 12/11/2008 :  15:02:55  Show Profile Send moboman a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by NotABigDeal

I've always wanted a dehydrator, but I only know that I like jerky.
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me too. I want to learn to make my own.

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Posted - 12/11/2008 :  15:35:26  Show Profile  Send Neckro an AOL message  Click to see Neckro's MSN Messenger address  Send Neckro a Yahoo! Message Send Neckro a Private Message
I got a dehydrator. I just dislike it for some odd reason.

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Nickelless
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Posted - 12/11/2008 :  16:20:36  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Neckro

I got a dehydrator. I just dislike it for some odd reason.

What kind did you get?

The Nesco dehydrator is the only one I've found that has a fan and that dries food evenly. Other models only have a heating element but the drying is uneven, which is why I think Nesco is far superior and a lot faster.


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Posted - 12/11/2008 :  16:42:14  Show Profile Send Kurr a Private Message
We was too poor for them there fancy machines when I was growing up. Use the oven for meats, 140 deg If I remember right, takes maybe 8 hours if cut 1/4 inch thick.

EDIT: I have been considering getting a vacuum pump and building a freeze dryer!


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Nickelless
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Posted - 12/11/2008 :  16:59:39  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kurr

We was too poor for them there fancy machines when I was growing up. Use the oven for meats, 140 deg If I remember right, takes maybe 8 hours if cut 1/4 inch thick.

EDIT: I have been considering getting a vacuum pump and building a freeze dryer!

The Nesco models are going for about $25 each on eBay. Check out the link above.


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jadedragon
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Posted - 12/12/2008 :  05:30:57  Show Profile Send jadedragon a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kurr

We was too poor for them there fancy machines when I was growing up. Use the oven for meats, 140 deg If I remember right, takes maybe 8 hours if cut 1/4 inch thick.

EDIT: I have been considering getting a vacuum pump and building a freeze dryer!



I know a fair bit about freeze dryers since I am a Director/part owner in a freeze dry company. Freeze dryers that work well are are not a home built project Kurr. You would need A LOT more then a vacuum pump to make anything useful, and to achieve food that will last a long time you need to really understand the science behind the process, then adapt it to each specific product.

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Nickelless
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Posted - 12/12/2008 :  08:53:21  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
I don't have any experience with freeze dryers, but the key for dehydration is to make the bits of food being dehydrated as small as possible. That's why I dice the stuff I dehydrate that's not already in small pieces, or buy it already diced, such as tomatoes.


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kieblera5
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Posted - 12/12/2008 :  21:38:46  Show Profile  Send kieblera5 an AOL message Send kieblera5 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by moboman

quote:
Originally posted by NotABigDeal

I've always wanted a dehydrator, but I only know that I like jerky.
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me too. I want to learn to make my own.



I have one to make jerky.

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jadedragon
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Posted - 12/12/2008 :  21:54:03  Show Profile Send jadedragon a Private Message
Yes, for hot air drying the smaller pieces allow the water to escape easier from the food. Also cutting it up exposes the insides , meaning the water does not have to go through the skin.

As the economy worsens, those with a good stockpile of healthy food obtained cheaply in season will be a lot happier then those lined up at the local short funded over used food bank for some Mac and Cheese.

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Nickelless
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USA
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Posted - 01/04/2009 :  04:00:18  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
Here are some links that have decent tips on food dehydration. Most of this stuff is common sense:

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misteroman
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Posted - 01/04/2009 :  10:18:01  Show Profile Send misteroman a Private Message
Nickel,
What is a typical shelf life on Deh foods?Is it different for each item?

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Nickelless
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Posted - 01/04/2009 :  13:12:13  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by misteroman

Nickel,
What is a typical shelf life on Deh foods?Is it different for each item?

If you use oxygen absorbers, it should be at least 5 to 7 years. I'll see if I can find more specific information. But to say the least, the shelf life would be considerably longer than if the foods weren't dehydrated.


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Nickelless
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Posted - 01/11/2009 :  23:52:16  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
I just realized another obvious advantage to dehydrated foods: Because they take up so much less space when the water is removed, large quantities of dehydrated foods can be easily hidden if necessary, very useful WTSHTF.


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silverhalide
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Posted - 01/23/2009 :  11:33:56  Show Profile Send silverhalide a Private Message
I like my dehydrator especially for drying fruit like plums and grapes and it is a time saving device for wild persimmons because it is a very tedious process to pulp it. I also use it to dry fresh herbs which I grow in pails when I harvest it just before the first freeze.
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Nickelless
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Posted - 01/23/2009 :  15:34:59  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by silverhalide

I like my dehydrator especially for drying fruit like plums and grapes and it is a time saving device for wild persimmons because it is a very tedious process to pulp it. I also use it to dry fresh herbs which I grow in pails when I harvest it just before the first freeze.

What brand of dehydrator do you have?


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Posted - 01/23/2009 :  21:08:36  Show Profile Send silverhalide a Private Message
A cheap Ronco
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Nickelless
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USA
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Posted - 01/26/2009 :  20:39:07  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by silverhalide

A cheap Ronco

Get a Nesco on eBay. Trust me, you'll never want another brand after you try Nesco. It's absolutely the best. Ronco doesn't have a fan to circulate air like Nesco does.



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Edited by - Nickelless on 01/26/2009 20:39:58
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Nickelless
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Posted - 01/26/2009 :  20:41:56  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
Here's a link on food dehydration I saw on GIM--I'm doing the same stuff this guy is doing:

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Nickelless
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Posted - 01/27/2009 :  22:43:48  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
In several different places I've come across questions on how to tell when dehydrated food is dry enough. Here's a good primer:

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Preparation

1. Select the best fruit and vegetables! As with canning and freezing, dehydrated foods are only as good as the fresh fruit or vegetables. When selecting fruits and vegetables for dehydration, choose ones that are ripe, unbruised and at peak-eating quality.
2. Prepare foods to be dehydrated as you want them to be served. Apples, for example, may be sliced, cut into rings, or pureed for fruit leather.
3. Keep pieces uniform in size and thickness for even drying . Slices cut 1/8 to 1/4-inch in thickness will dry more quickly than thicker pieces.
4. Some foods should be washed before drying. Foods such as herbs, berries and seedless grapes need only be washed before dehydrating.
5. To prevent browning: try steaming, sulfuring or coating light-colored fruits and vegetables with acids such as lemon juice or ascorbic acid (FruitFresh) before drying. Steaming or blanching also is recommended for vegetables to inactivate enzymes that cause vegetables to mature, or toughen during drying.

During Drying

1. Select the drying method and equipment that is right for you. Foods can be dried in a conventional oven, a commercial dehydrator, or in the sun. Drying times vary with the method and foods chosen. Be sure to read the instructions with your dehydrator.
2. Maintain 130F to 140F with circulating air: Remove enough moisture as quickly as possible to prevent spoilage. A drying temperature of 130 degrees F to 140 degrees F allows moisture to be removed quickly without adversely affecting food's texture, color, flavor and nutritive value. If the initial temperature is lower, or air circulation is insufficient, foods may undergo undesirable microbiological changes before drying adequately. If the temperature is higher, or humidity too low, nutrients can be lost or moisture may be removed too quickly from the product's outer surface. This causes the outer surface to harden and prevents moisture in the inner tissues from escaping. When testing for sufficient dryness, cool foods before testing.
3. Know when your food is dry: Some foods are more pliable when cool than warm. Foods should be pliable and leathery, or hard and brittle when sufficiently dried. Some vegetables actually shatter if hit with a hammer. At this stage, they should contain about 10 percent moisture. Because they are so dry, vegetables do not need conditioning like fruits.

After Drying (for fruit only)

1. Allow dried FRUIT (not vegetables) time to "condition": When dry, allow fruit to "condition" for four to 10 days before packaging for storage. The moisture content of home dried fruit should be about 20 percent. When the fruit is taken from the dehydrator, the remaining moisture may not be distributed equally among the pieces because of their size or their location in the dehydrator. Conditioning is the process used to equalize the moisture. It reduces the risk of mold growth. 
2. To condition the fruit, take the dried fruit that has cooled and pack it loosely in plastic or glass jars.
3. Seal the containers and let them stand for 7 to 10 days. The excess moisture in some pieces will be absorbed by the drier pieces.
4. Shake the jars daily to separate the pieces and check the moisture condensation. If condensation develops in the jar, return the fruit to the dehydrator for more drying.
5. After conditioning, package and store the fruit as described below.
 

Packaging the dried foods

1. Seal the dried food: Dried foods are susceptible to insect contamination and readsorption of moisture and must be properly packaged and stored immediately. First, cool completely. Warm food causes sweating which could provide enough moisture for mold to grow. Package dehydrated foods in tightly sealed containers, such as moisture-proof freezer containers or Ziploc type bags, or dark scalded (sterilized) glass jars.
2. Choose the right containers: Glass jars, metal cans or boxes with tight fitted lids or moisture-vapor resistant freezer cartons make good containers for storing dried foods. Heavy-duty plastic bags are acceptable, but keep in mind that they are not insect and rodent proof. Plastic bags with a 3/8-inch seal are best to keep out moisture.
3. Fruit that has been sulfured should not touch metal. Place the fruit in a plastic bag before storing it in a metal can. Sulfur fumes will react with the metal and cause color changes in the fruit.
4. Pack as tightly as possible without crushing.
5. Pack food in amounts that will be used in a recipe. Every time a package is re-opened, the food is exposed to air and moisture that will lower the quality of the food.

Storing the dried foods

1. Store in a cool, dark, dry place. Food quality is affected by heat. The storage temperature helps determine the length of storage; the higher the temperature, the shorter the storage time. Most dried fruits can be stored for 1 year at 60ºF, 6 months at 80ºF. Vegetables have about half the shelf-life of fruits.
2. Use foods within six to 12 months for best quality.
3. Check dried foods frequently during storage to see if they are still dry. Foods that are packaged seemingly "bone dry" can spoil if moisture is reabsorbed during storage. Glass containers are excellent for storage because any moisture that collects on the inside can be seen easily Foods affected by moisture, but not spoiled, should be used immediately or redried and repackaged. Moldy foods should be discarded.



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Edited by - Nickelless on 01/27/2009 22:44:38
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Posted - 01/28/2009 :  10:33:47  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message
Thanks for this great post! I have a "Back to Basics" dehydrator. Not sure how it compares to the Nesco. I've used to for tomatoes and it worked well.
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