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 Posted - 08/01/2008 : 17:09:38
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on PCGS when grading coin there are ms and pr catagories, what do they mean?
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copperpennies
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Posted - 08/01/2008 : 17:48:53
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MS mint state
PR proof |
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Posted - 08/01/2008 : 18:41:24
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| How do you tell if a loose coin is ms or pr? |
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fb101
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Posted - 08/01/2008 : 20:30:56
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Depends on the year. Recent ones 70s and up would only be proof if they were 'S' mints or 'W' mints.
Other than that, you have to look at the coin. If it's shiny like a mirror so that you could comb your hair in it, it's likely a proof. If it's brand new but a flattish, or semi mirrorish, it's likely ms. If you're talking about pennies, I see a lot of '06d and '07s that appear prooflike, but are not-- no'S' |
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Edited by - fb101 on 08/01/2008 20:35:22 |
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Cody8404
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Posted - 08/03/2008 : 17:38:29
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Simply put coins are graded starting at PR70 / MS70. These coins are perfect, nothing wrong at all. If the coin was placed in a case at the mint they might be perfect. Only about five in a hundred from the mint will be in this state.
MS65 / PR65 Most coins produced at the mint fit this. 90 out of 100.
MS60. Most coins you get from a mint made roll at the bank will be MS60.
MS50 would be most coins you see in circulation that look good.
MS40 is a very worn coin.
MS10 is a coin you can't even tell what it is.
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Cody8404
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Posted - 08/03/2008 : 17:41:12
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PR Proof -- coins look really good. Most have a mirror finish back ground and matte finish on the features of the coin.
MS Mint State -- coins are what you find in pocket change. |
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AgCollector
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Posted - 08/03/2008 : 18:20:29
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Originally posted by Cody8404
Simply put coins are graded starting at PR70 / MS70. These coins are perfect, nothing wrong at all. If the coin was placed in a case at the mint they might be perfect. Only about five in a hundred from the mint will be in this state.
MS65 / PR65 Most coins produced at the mint fit this. 90 out of 100.
MS60. Most coins you get from a mint made roll at the bank will be MS60.
MS50 would be most coins you see in circulation that look good.
MS40 is a very worn coin.
MS10 is a coin you can't even tell what it is.
Actually below a score of 60 is no longer "MS" but goes down through AU, XF, EF, F, G, AG, P. |
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swusc
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Posted - 08/03/2008 : 19:03:22
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VG 10 --- you can tell what it is. You can tell what the coin is on AG3. There is a huge difference in AG3 and VG10.
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kieblera5
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Posted - 08/03/2008 : 23:00:42
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Originally posted by fhbob
on PCGS when grading coin there are ms and pr catagories, what do they mean?
There are 70 points in the grading scale. 70 being perfect.
PF- Proof. Never touched by human hands. Well, usually.
Usually only comes in PF 70 or Perfect. Some earlier coins come in PF 65 and PF 63.
MS-Mint State (Uncirculated). Never released for circulation. Much like proofs but may have "bag marks" or small nicks from colliding with other coins.
Comes with a grade of 60-70. These are uncirculated coins, much like the ones that you would get in a new roll.
AU-Almost Uncirculated- Grades from 50-59. Slight wear on the highest points.
Usually AU comes in a grade of AU 50, AU55, and AU58.
EF/XF- Extremely Fine/Extra Fine - Very light wear on the highest points of the coin. More wear evident than AU.
Comes in a grade of 40-49. Usually comes in a grade of EF 40 or EF 45.
VF- Very Fine- Light to medium wear. Major details are sharp.
Comes in a grade of 20-39. Usually grades of VF 20, VF 25, VF 30, and occasionally VF 35.
F- Fine- Moderate to heavy even wear. Entire design is clear and bold.
Usually grades in fine are F 12. This is an average circulation from say the sixties, if you were to have one in pocket change.
VG- Very Good- Well worn, design is flat. Must have full rims.
Usually grades with a VG 8. Full rims means that you can see the outer edge of the coin and see where the edge was raised for the rim.
G- Good- Heavily worn, readable date.
Grades with a G 4. Being able to read the date and mintmark are a must for this grade.
AG- About Good- Outlined design, Part of date worn smooth.
Grades in AG 3. Date is not fully readable, usually last two dates are showing. May require effort to read date.
Other "grades"
Fair
You can tell the type of the coin. May have holes, be bent, or have extreme wear. Many coins of this "grade" are still collected (dateless buffalo nickels).
Basal
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just carl
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Posted - 08/07/2008 : 08:51:07
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| Think I've seen a lot of G-1's in my time. Usually when sitting at a bar for a while most coins appear to be G-1 or -2. Same with the people around me. |
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just carl
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Posted - 08/07/2008 : 08:58:59
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Originally posted by fhbob
How do you tell if a loose coin is ms or pr?
Meanwhile back to your question.
It is difficult depending on how long it has been in circulation. Proofs are specially made for collecting purposes but some kids rob thier parents collections and spend the proofs, some home robberies have the proofs stolen and spent as normal money. Many people at places where they attempt to sell a metal polish, use coins as a demonstration on how they can make a coin shine like new or a proof.
Kids in schools use coins all the time in chem labs and come out with really shinny coins.
Summation is for the average person it is difficult to tell a real Proof from a really shinny coin in change. You may well find a proof coin in change so any really shinny coins you find, check carefully for extreame details.
Note that if you had almost any books on coins there would be a detailed list of grades used. |
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Cody8404
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Posted - 08/07/2008 : 12:24:04
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kieblera5 gives a much better list. I like it.
I like to buy the proof coins from the 1980's. They are stange enough that people do not know what they are easily in Proof condition. They have the same metals content as the earlier silver dollars. They are disliked by most coin dealers and collectors that they come cheap, right around melt value. |
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