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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
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 Posted - 07/10/2008 : 01:05:48
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Where do you all feel that the "Liberty Dollars" stand in the spectrum of silver bars/rounds?
I consider top tier the American Eagle, Canadian Maple, Panda, etc.
Second tier Engelhard, Johnson Matthey, etc.
Not sure what third tier would be...
Bottom tier are the no name "art" bars, etc.
Do you think the Liberty's are on par with Engelhard? Or slightly below? Or well below?
Thanks for your thoughts.
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
3890 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 06:25:00
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I bought a few yesterday, only because I like variety, out of the random silver bin, as well as a few other bars/rounds (including some Silver Eagles as well). All the same price. $18.25 per. I kinda rank the Liberty dollars with the "art" bars. But, to me all the silver is good silver. I buy art bars/rounds if I like them. I always buy the Silver Eagles. I passed up a Mexican one ounce coin yesterday, now I wish I would have picked it up as I do not have one of those....
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
490 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 10:04:34
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After I wrote this question, I got to thinking...I am not sure I consider Pandas to be top tier--only because there is so much counterfeiting of them going on--nowadays I would generally stick to certified Pandas (which of course are going to have a much higher premium).
Thanks for the reply Deal--I agree that you should have gotten a Mexican onza--they usually have a (what I consider a too high) premium on ebay. Sounds like you got a good deal on your silver though...especially since silver is trading above that this morning. |
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natsb88
Administrator
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 11:24:53
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My preferences probably don't correspond exactly to actual market premiums, but here's what I like:
Top Tier
Canadian Maples
Australian Kangaroos
Australian Lunars
Engelhard bars
Johnson Matthey bars
A-mark bars
Second Tier
American Eagles
Engelhard rounds
Johnson Matthey rounds
Liberty Dollars
A-mark rounds
Sunshine Mint
NWT Mint bars
Pan American bars
Third Tier
Pandas
Silvertowne
Generic art bars(marked 999 but no mint name)
Bottom Tier
Anything with sports teams or figures
Generic art rounds(marked 999 but no mint name)
Anything plated with gold
I'll usually pass
Anything advertised as 999 but not marked
Casino rounds |
Nate
The Copper Cave
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misteroman
Administrator
USA
2565 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 11:45:06
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If silver goes back down to $15 anytime soon,I want to buy a Maple leaf/ASE Monster box and split it up on here.Was going to and posted up on Kitco when silver was 16.XX an ounce a few weeks back.Look at the $$$ I lost |
Buying CU cents!!!! Paying 1.2 unlimited amounts wanted. Can pick up if near Ohio area. |
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
490 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 15:26:15
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| Yeah--I'd like to get a few more Maples--I like the fact that they come in plastic tubes now--don't have any of those yet--should have bought back in December when silver was starting its march up in price... |
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knibloe
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1066 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 15:33:21
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I wanted to collect pandas a while back, but many of them are so dubious that I shied away from them. I would not consider them a top tier product.
Where do you feel that 90% american silver and 40% halves fall? |
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TenBears
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1021 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 15:40:32
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Originally posted by knibloe
I wanted to collect pandas a while back, but many of them are so dubious that I shied away from them. I would not consider them a top tier product.
Where do you feel that 90% american silver and 40% halves fall?
Personnally, top tier on the 90%. These are unlikely to be counterfeited and are recognized easily as silver. The 40% perhaps second tier just because they are not as easily recognized as silver by the sheeple. |
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moboman
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
2555 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 16:23:06
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| I have 18 of those fake pandas right here. Very easy to tell by the weight and sound they are not real, but if you left it in the plastic case and could not pick them up, you'd think they were real. |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
3890 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 17:28:47
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quote:
Originally posted by knibloe
I wanted to collect pandas a while back, but many of them are so dubious that I shied away from them. I would not consider them a top tier product.
Where do you feel that 90% american silver and 40% halves fall?
I too am a fan of the 90%. Top tier for me as well. 40%ers are okay.
Deal |
Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
490 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 22:20:48
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Originally posted by TenBears
Personnally, top tier on the 90%. These are unlikely to be counterfeited and are recognized easily as silver. The 40% perhaps second tier just because they are not as easily recognized as silver by the sheeple.
I agree--for exactly the same reasons--90% unlikely to be counterfeit, 40% is just not going to be as recognized and it will be harder for less well informed people to figure out its value... |
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
490 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 22:22:28
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Originally posted by moboman
I have 18 of those fake pandas right here. Very easy to tell by the weight and sound they are not real, but if you left it in the plastic case and could not pick them up, you'd think they were real.
When you bought them did you know/think they were fake? Or did you get totally ripped off? |
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moboman
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
2555 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 22:56:07
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Originally posted by kavajava
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Originally posted by moboman
I have 18 of those fake pandas right here. Very easy to tell by the weight and sound they are not real, but if you left it in the plastic case and could not pick them up, you'd think they were real.
When you bought them did you know/think they were fake? Or did you get totally ripped off?
They were sold under the pretense of being fake, they came with a bunch of other junk in an auction on ebay. I had secretly hoped they were real. because then they'd be worth like $400. |
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misteroman
Administrator
USA
2565 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 23:12:44
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| I love 90% walkers and am upto almost 500 of them so far |
Buying CU cents!!!! Paying 1.2 unlimited amounts wanted. Can pick up if near Ohio area. |
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
490 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 23:31:00
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Originally posted by misteroman
I love 90% walkers and am upto almost 500 of them so far
Cool--how much of a premium over Franklin's and Kennedy's do you usually have to pay to get walkers? I've got a bunch of dimes and quarters, but next to no silver halves--am thinking I need to get a few before silver explodes. |
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misteroman
Administrator
USA
2565 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 00:05:08
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| ^^^0% that's why I like them |
Buying CU cents!!!! Paying 1.2 unlimited amounts wanted. Can pick up if near Ohio area. |
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
490 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 00:07:50
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Originally posted by misteroman
^^^0% that's why I like them
I guess you can't beat that! (Unless someone gives them to you...) |
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misteroman
Administrator
USA
2565 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 00:17:10
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| always seem to get them for around 12-12.5X face |
Buying CU cents!!!! Paying 1.2 unlimited amounts wanted. Can pick up if near Ohio area. |
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
490 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 12:29:55
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Originally posted by natsb88
My preferences probably don't correspond exactly to actual market premiums, but here's what I like:
Top Tier
Canadian Maples
Australian Kangaroos
Australian Lunars
Engelhard bars
Johnson Matthey bars
A-mark bars
Second Tier
American Eagles
Engelhard rounds
Johnson Matthey rounds
Liberty Dollars
A-mark rounds
Sunshine Mint
NWT Mint bars
Pan American bars
Third Tier
Pandas
Silvertowne
Generic art bars(marked 999 but no mint name)
Bottom Tier
Anything with sports teams or figures
Generic art rounds(marked 999 but no mint name)
Anything plated with gold
I'll usually pass
Anything advertised as 999 but not marked
Casino rounds
Thanks for the detailed list...
1) Good reminder that everyone has a different opinion, and many times it is really what is important to the individual that determines value.
2) Biggest surprise for me is that you put ASE's in second tier...
3) Notice that you prefer bars over rounds...any specific reason?
4) How do you feel about Aussie Kookaburra's?
Thanks again for the reply--I am curious to hear what others think. |
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starwarsgeek171
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
651 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 12:48:10
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| ASEs clearly sell for a premium on eBay, thus ranking them as top-tier. Next, anyone that owns a few quality Mexican Libertads knows that the coin can be top-notch, also fetching a premium. I believe England makes an incredible coin called the sovereign. |
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lilyrdape
Penny Pincher Member
USA
152 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 12:58:06
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| i like the franklin halfs for some reason. i think im going to pick up some moe 1892-1893 columbian halfs tho im sure ill have to pay a prem on them but i enjoy the coin :p |
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
490 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 13:32:00
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Originally posted by starwarsgeek171
anyone that owns a few quality Mexican Libertads knows that the coin can be top-notch, also fetching a premium. I believe England makes an incredible coin called the sovereign.
Yeah-- I like the Libertad's--just not willing to pay the big premium that they go for on ebay...
I know the Engelhard Prospector round--am not familiar with an Engelhard Sovereign... |
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starwarsgeek171
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
651 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 14:05:43
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natsb88
Administrator
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 14:15:36
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quote:
Originally posted by kavajava
Thanks for the detailed list...
1) Good reminder that everyone has a different opinion, and many times it is really what is important to the individual that determines value.
2) Biggest surprise for me is that you put ASE's in second tier...
3) Notice that you prefer bars over rounds...any specific reason?
4) How do you feel about Aussie Kookaburra's?
Thanks again for the reply--I am curious to hear what others think.
1) Yes, and again those are just my personal preferences. I have only been into silver since the beginning of this year, so take my opinions with a grain of salt.
2) I like ASE's and grab them when I find a good deal, but they usually sell for too much of a premium for my liking. The only real advantage I see to them is instant recognition, but almost everything else in the top two tiers has that going as well, many for less of a premium. I guess they just seem a little overrated to me.
3) I actually have more rounds than bars, but I think bars are more easily recognized as bullion, whereas those who aren't in-the-know might mistake rounds for tokens or more common coins, etc. Bars are just easier to pick out from the crowd, if you will. They also seem to have a slightly higher premium over spot, which is why I have fewer of them.
4) I like just about all of the Australian silver that I have seen photos of, but I don't have much of it. In fact, now that I think about it, I'm not sure I have any Australian silver. Might have to change that once I sell some copper... |
Nate
The Copper Cave
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natsb88
Administrator
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 14:19:02
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| I'm also liking the Franklin halves for some reason recently. I picked some 90% on eBay over the past couple weeks and my average is 11.7x face. |
Nate
The Copper Cave
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starwarsgeek171
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
651 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 15:42:46
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| natsb88, try the Australian Lunar Dollar series. I collect the dragons. |
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