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Nickelless
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myfundsarelow
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USA
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Posted - 04/07/2008 : 01:27:45
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| HELLO NICKELLESS Maybe if you walked out backwards you would not be noticed leaving JUST a taught i have gone to many shows no problem you just have to be careful keep your eyes open keep a low profile PEACE ! |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 04/07/2008 : 06:53:55
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Never been to a coin show before, but same rules apply everywhere. Be alert, and pay attention to who is around you at all times. Many states, including mine, allow law abiding citizens to protect themselves, others don't....Just keep your eyes open and pay attention, but have fun too.
Deal |
Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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just carl
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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 Posted - 04/07/2008 : 09:26:46
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Mostly depends on where you live or where the coin shows are located. There are areas in this country where people go out shopping, leave their doors open, other vehicals open, some with keys in the locks, garages open. I've been to some towns where a store owner went out somewhere, left the place open, note on the counter to just leave money on the counter if you buy something. Cars parked in the main street of that town have almost all cars with doors open, windows open and some with keys left in inside.
Where I live no one leaves anything unlocked. Many stores have bars on the windows and when they close the front doors also are barred. All houses have doors locked even when people are home. Some have double and triple locks. Where I live the average murder rate is well over 600/year inside the city limits and much higher if you include the suburbs. Average auto thefts are about 50,000/year.
As I said so much depends on where you live. I go to about 2 to 4 coin shows a month. Most have security inside but as you leave your on your own. I've never been to the average coin show where there are any type of security in the parking lots. One really large coin show in this area has a security force inside, outside and in the parking lots.
Just a few tips on safety at a coin show.
1. If you feel your being followed on the way out, go back inside and pretend to check out a table you missed. Do this several times so anyone following will realize you spotted them
2. Prior to a coin show find the location of a police station. If you feel you may be followed on the way out, drive to that police station and just ask for directions.
3. After the coin show if you go to your car, sit there for a while to see if anyone else that left when you did is also just sitting there. If so, go back inside per item 1.
4. Inside a coin show always watch for someone looking over your shoulder to see how much money you may have on you.
5. Attempt not to take a check book or credit card to a coin show. While filling out a check with person information on it someone may be noting all such information for later.
6. With so many cell phones having photo capabilities, when you use a check or credit card someone could be taking a photo of those things.
7. Keep all money in a front pocket of your pants. If your a female, do not carry a purse with money in it. Always wear pants and keep all money in the front pockets.
8. Some coin shows are very crowded and you'll get bumped periodically. Each time your bumped, recheck any money, wallet, purchased coins to make sure they didn't walk away.
9. I've never been to a coin show where there wasn't any kind of security guards present. As soon as you arrive, look around for any such person. Usually wearing a sweater, shirt, etc that may state security. If any problems you should know who they are and where they are.
10. If while in the show you feel like going to a washroom, watch to see if anyone else is heading for that place. If so, change your direction. If it happens reapeatedly, contact the security guard. |
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swusc
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 04/07/2008 : 15:21:01
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Originally posted by NotABigDeal
Never been to a coin show before, but same rules apply everywhere. Be alert, and pay attention to who is around you at all times. Many states, including mine, allow law abiding citizens to protect themselves, others don't....Just keep your eyes open and pay attention, but have fun too.
Deal
Do you have a CWP? |
`Everybody is ignorant. Only on different subjects.' Will Rogers
"This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the "hidden" confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard." Alan Greenspan, 1966. |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
3890 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 17:14:17
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Yes. Check my new avatar, it's my carry gun.
Deal |
Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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Cody8404
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
602 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 18:09:30
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In law enforcement there are three degrees of awareness, Red, Yellow and Green.
Red is a high sense of security. Most people are like this when they are in a fight. You know the feeling when your senses are moving so fast that time seems to slow down.
Yellow is a preparedness stage. You are ready if something happens; you know who is around you and what they are doing. In this people catch details. They are not likely to be caught off guard. No one is going to sneak up on you during this stage of preparedness.
Green is oblivion. This is when you have no clue what is going on. People easily sneak up on you. Or you are so focused on one thing that you can’t or don’t focus on anything else. These are the people crooks like to sneak up on and pick your pocket or do other things. This is most people most of the time.
A good test to see which stage of preparedness you are in is to stop and look around. Is there anyone or anything that you were not expecting there? I find that when I am pumping gas I get tunnel vision and someone could sneak up on me. I am really working on this. Just watch in the store how many women leave their purses in the cart and wander off.
To be safe be aware of what is going on around you. Just being noted as an watchful person makes poor target for crime.
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Cody8404
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 04/07/2008 : 18:16:26
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| There is one local coin show that I like to go to. They have about 100 booths. Knowing the police in town I see about 3-4 police and deputies in uniform and about a dozen in plain clothes. |
Awake, O kings of the earth! Come ye, O, come ye, with your gold and your silver, to the help of my people, to the house of the daughters of Zion, to the help of the people of the God of this Land even Jesus Christ. |
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Cody8404
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
602 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 18:17:54
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| I read the headline and wrote this, then I read the question at the top and got lost. Getting back top the original question, some dealers keep a little junk silver at the coin shows. Most prefer to have coins with an higher premium. Selling one that few makes $100 profit is much more profitable than selling 1000 that make 10¢ each. Most dealers travel a ways for these shows. They like to just bring the items that will make money. But if you ask, most dealers will know who is selling what and at what prices, these get very competitive. |
Awake, O kings of the earth! Come ye, O, come ye, with your gold and your silver, to the help of my people, to the house of the daughters of Zion, to the help of the people of the God of this Land even Jesus Christ. |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
3890 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 19:30:17
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I guess I'm always in your yellow mode. Call me overly cautious, but also call me safe. I agree, awareness is the most important thing.
Deal |
Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 04/08/2008 : 02:02:33
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I go to coin shows all the time. Sometimes you see junk silver, sometimes you don't. As the market heats up it tends to come out more. It is heavy and the margins are not huge so most dealers will not lug it to the show.
I see a lot more of it at local coin club meetings.. and I am generally able to pick it up cheaper there. |
If your percentages are low.. just sort more. If your percentages are high.. just sort more.
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starwarsgeek171
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2008 : 10:33:55
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It is important to carry yourself with confidence. Don't look like a victim. Go with associates if possible, and bring personal protection; you'll be fine. Red alert here.
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swusc
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
553 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2008 : 09:16:23
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Originally posted by NotABigDeal
Yes. Check my new avatar, it's my carry gun.
Deal
I pity the fool that messes with you! :)
-SWUSC |
`Everybody is ignorant. Only on different subjects.' Will Rogers
"This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the "hidden" confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard." Alan Greenspan, 1966. |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 04/09/2008 : 18:01:15
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I pity the fool that messes with you! :)
-SWUSC
I hope I never have to use it. You just need to be prepared. I would rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. That particular gun is an HK P2000SK. To get back on track kinda, where do I look to find local coin shows?
Deal |
Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams |
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Flbandit
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
851 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2008 : 20:36:24
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| You can find lists in most coin magazines or just type in coin shows on a search. I go to two or three a year and most have ample supplies of junk silver. I still kick myself for not buying $9.00 morgan dollars about a year ago!! |
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Know Common Cents
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Posted - 04/10/2008 : 10:57:41
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I attend probably 10 coin shows each year and have the following observations:
Local dealers from the immediate location of the show may have junk US 90%, clad 40%, warnix and maybe even some foreign bullion for sale. It's not a real big deal to bring that along with the other coins and currency that they're trying to sell. Those who may fly to the show location or have no secure way to store it overnight probably won't have much or any.
Most dealers will buy junk silver from the walk-in public who attend the shows. Some may even have large cardboard signs or dry marker boards advertising their buy and sell prices. They're usually willing to turn it over for a fast profit unless they strongly believe that the market is going quickly higher. Most don't want to lug it back to their shop unless there's a good reason to do so.
Before I stop to talk to any dealers or think about any purchase, I do a complete walk-through of the site. I look how the tables are configured, where the aisles, restrooms and exits are located, the type and number of security people who are present, the size of the crowd, whether there are mostly single people there or whether there are some larger groups of 3 or more people who are walking around together, the type of general lighting and whether I feel comfortable about being there.
I've attended a couple of shows within the last 2 years that were loosely organized at a dreary union hall or dimly lit VFW post. At the VFW, there was a large crowd of non-show participants sitting at the adjacent bar and heckling some of the people who would walk by. I felt uneasy and left without making a purchase. Go with your gut instinct. It's usually right. |
Here in Wisconsin, we have some of the highest property and gasoline taxes in the US. We're squeezed so much, I have to make my daughter wear penny boxes for shoes. At least she has an endless supply. |
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CoinHunter53562
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2008 : 20:43:09
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At the twice a year show here in Madison they have an armed guard. Other shows I have gone too in Milwaukee and Rockford didnt. I went to a larger show in Chicago two summers ago and there were a few armed guards visible.
As far as junk silver, it can be found sometimes. If you are going to a monthly show ask your favorite dealers to bring them. I only found one dealer at the Milwaukee show a week ago who was selling junk silver at about 15x face. I walked away. There were a few selling Morgans and Peace dollars for $16-$17/each that were common date/lower grade coins (G-VG). That's the cheapest I found. |
My hobby: collecting real money 1 copper cent or nickel at a time.
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Posted - 04/14/2008 : 18:57:02
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Yes. Check my new avatar, it's my carry gun.
Deal
I wanted to use an avatar to show my carry gun. But couldn't find a mushroom cloud. |
24 Empty Missile Tubes, A Giant Mushroom Cloud....It's Miller Time!!! |
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JSutter
Penny Pincher Member
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Posted - 04/14/2008 : 19:24:42
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| I've found the local and state flea markets to have more junk silver at the coin booths than most coin shows. Also the dealers at these shows will typically haggle with you too. I went to the New Years flea market here in Louisville when 40% halves were worth $2.25 and 90% halves were worth around $5.50 and hit up every dealer there for their halves. I got over 200 40% halves for $2 each and almost a whole roll of 90% Kennedy halves at $4 each. i just asked them to quote me a price then offered $2 each for every 40% half they had. All but one dealer went for it right away, the one that said no I hit up again on the way out and he gave in. |
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just carl
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2008 : 11:14:48
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| As to junk Silver or just about anything in junk coins the best place is usually a flea market. Around me I go to 2 to 4 coin shows a month. During April there are enough coin shows to go to one almost 2 to 4 times a week. One is a 3 day show and one is a 4 day show. All the rest are just 1 or 2 day shows. At most Junk silver is present occationally but not as junk Silver but usually a bargain box. Usually for amateurs and kids. Some dealers will give something from that box free to kids as an incentive for thier parents to buy something. Most of the smaller, monthly shows are from local dealers and the really big ones have dealers from all over the country. Those seldom have anything in the way of Junk coins of any types. On flea market in my area has a dealer that appears to have a massive source of junk coins of every possilbe type and from almost any country. He is not really a coin dealer but just makes a lot of money selling coins and currency. |
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just carl
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 04/15/2008 : 11:18:54
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| As to carrying a fire arm to a coin show. AT all the coin shows in my area there are no cameras, knives, guns allowed inside the shows. If you have a licence to carry a firearm in this area you need a federal licence anyway and not easy to come by so most people just don't. |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
3890 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2008 : 20:30:44
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Originally posted by just carl
As to carrying a fire arm to a coin show. AT all the coin shows in my area there are no cameras, knives, guns allowed inside the shows. If you have a licence to carry a firearm in this area you need a federal licence anyway and not easy to come by so most people just don't.
If I'm not mistaken, you are from Illinois. Very gun unfriendly state. In fact, one of the worst. My state, Missouri, allows you the chance to protect yourself in MOST circumstances. It's kinda crazy, cross a line on a map and you are almost defenceless, unless you are a bad guy....
Deal |
Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams |
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swusc
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
553 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2008 : 21:41:47
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Originally posted by just carl
As to carrying a fire arm to a coin show. AT all the coin shows in my area there are no cameras, knives, guns allowed inside the shows. If you have a licence to carry a firearm in this area you need a federal licence anyway and not easy to come by so most people just don't.
If I'm not mistaken, you are from Illinois. Very gun unfriendly state. In fact, one of the worst. My state, Missouri, allows you the chance to protect yourself in MOST circumstances. It's kinda crazy, cross a line on a map and you are almost defenceless, unless you are a bad guy....
Deal
Yea gun free zone work out very well if you are the bad guy. I wonder if teachers and students over 21 could carry at school, if school shooting would stop? South Carolina had a bill to allow it, but it didn't pass.
-SWUSC |
`Everybody is ignorant. Only on different subjects.' Will Rogers
"This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the "hidden" confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard." Alan Greenspan, 1966. |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
3890 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2008 : 06:33:28
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Sorry off subject but I have to comment. Anybody ever wonder why ADULTS over 21 are considered "kids" if they are in school? Are they not adults? College students are supposed to be the brains of this country, but not be trusted with the tools of self defence. I guess if everything made since, we wouldn't have anything to talk about. Sorry about the rant(s). Some things really strike a nerve with me, like "self defence control"....
<----Off of soap box now.
Deal |
Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams |
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just carl
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2008 : 08:39:20
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| As to here in Illinois if you've ever gone to a coin show there are many, many armed guards. Mostly not advertised with signs saying Security, but some do. At the larger ones at the Rosemont Convention Center there are probably more armed guards than customers sometimes. They are all over the place, inside and outside both. This is probably due to the wonderful feeling of security with our fantastically low crime rate her in the Chicago area. Stupid gun laws that are ever incresing and with absolutely no effect. Why should it. Criminals just don't pay attention to laws about guns. |
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CoinHunter53562
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2008 : 20:46:16
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| I am going to a show here in Madison, WI this weekend and will report back on the junk Ag status. I know one guy that will be there but he has his priced too high. When silver was going for 12.5x face, he was asking about 15.5x face so I walked away. He is a nice guy but was just asking too much. The only junk silver I expect to find outside of him would be from the bargain bins. |
My hobby: collecting real money 1 copper cent or nickel at a time.
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