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Bluegill
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 Posted - 05/16/2010 : 13:10:49
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It's not just the landscaping industry. It is everywhere across the spectrum. I work with a loser who wants to get laid off. He thinks he is above sweeping the floor when things get slow. "I'm not a janitor, I can make just as much money on unemployment"
Him and the shift foreman got into a heated discussion when he was told to be happy he even has a job. We are down to 6 employees on the afternoon shift. This guys wife has been collecting unemployment for 2 frickin' years now.
Nobody stops to think where in the hell this money is going to come from...
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beauanderos
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slickeast
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USA
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Posted - 05/16/2010 : 15:14:55
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Extending unemployment is making things worse. Having a job and working is a good thing. If someone lays around waiting on a check, they get lazy, fat and unfit. Now we have someone that is not contributing to society, raising taxes, and increasing healthcare costs. |
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Nickelless
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beauanderos
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USA
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Posted - 05/16/2010 : 17:28:44
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Originally posted by Nickelless
Yeah, it sucks to have to work for a living. I shudder to think of what will happen when the "entitlement class" comes knocking WTSHTF.
yeah, they'll be moaning "I went to use my foodstamps, but somebody bought out all the cases of mackerel!"  |
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Nickelless
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wheeler_dealer
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USA
402 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2010 : 20:29:06
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| Unemployment SUCKS! Not getting an unemployment check when you ae unemployed sucks even more. Been unemployed six weeks and have been applying like mad at jobs I am way overqualified for. Last week I was one of thirty five people in the room applying for one job and the completed stack was probably one hundred tall. Think your job sucks? Think again. |
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cptindy
Penny Hoarding Member
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Posted - 05/16/2010 : 21:47:25
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I read this post about two hours ago and have been thinking ever since.
I tend to find many things wrong with the current system in which we live. I am not happy when I hear about folks collecting multiple welfare checks and duplicate food stamp cards. I don't care to much that many impoverished people's travel to this country for these checks and food and health care at a cost to taxpayers. I am not a fan of the extreme salaries and benefit packages of government elected officials. I can't stand the current education system or the multiple agencies that drain untold billions to trillions of dollars from our future. Blah, Blah, Blah!
Unemployment does not bother me, even with its recent extensions. For one it has a time table and one needed to have been a contributing working person to receive its compensation. No matter what it will end and It allows for a transition period, offering many training programs to encourage a motivated individual to find a suitable replacement occupation. It's maximum payout is based on your original salary and then is a lessor percentage. Each state dictates its maximum amount.
In the case of the article I am not sure I fall for the story. First thing that stands out is they statement of 80-100 applications a week. That is an awful lot of people to categorize as not wanting to work because they make more or equivalent on UC. It just seems like the author was pushing something that is not there. As far as the Landscape companies and the jobs offered I wondered why would someone who is over qualified and trained elsewhere want to drop a regular check for a seasonal labor intensive job that he could lose the next week if his small time operator boss just don't like his pace. Those whom qualify for UC deserve it and depend on it for its basic paltry payoff to keep there home and family running. Without it I would imagine far more homes would have been lost.
If one needs to be upset with the state of affairs you need only look at the corporations of today. Generating billion dollar quarters for shareholders and wall street while the average wage is stuck in a standstill for the last 10 years. Greedy bankers raping America for trillions of dollars while the average high school graduate is not even qualified to run a cash register.
I have no qualms whatsoever with unemployment compensation.
The individual collecting UC is generally not sitting pretty. Its a life shock for most people and is a small subsistence in which to hold down the fort. It is then up to the individual to reorganize their life. |
"It is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting"
" The average man doesn't want to be free. He wants to be safe."
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thogey
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Posted - 05/16/2010 : 22:13:41
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The economic reality of your post, cptindy, cannot be denied.
But some of us experience a certain amount of satisfaction, even joy, by getting our asses up and getting dirty at work every day.
Most with a similar mindset cannot stomach the thought not working. |
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redneck
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Posted - 05/17/2010 : 06:57:10
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cptindy
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Posted - 05/16/2010 : 21:47:25
For one it has a time table and one needed to have been a contributing working person to receive its compensation.
Employers pay for unemployment benefits for their employees.
Employees do not contribute one red cent.
(In case you didn't know).
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cptindy
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Posted - 05/17/2010 : 08:01:11
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I am well aware of the process Redneck, by contributing I meant contributing to society as a working soul and not a illegal coming into this country and heading straight to the welfare line.
On a side note, don't think that the system is compensating that premium out of its own kind heart. The factors involved all fall under employee compensation. I am not attempting to open a debate about this as I look at the big picture.
I can appreciate the ill will and stomach churning at the prospect of not being able to get your hands dirty. I started working when I was 12 washing dishes in a small family restaurant. (Not my Family) My Father moved on and my Mother had a stroke so it was I whom kept my brother and sister going to school and kept the household together.
I started cutting lawns for $5 and also took over 3 newspaper routes. That is a 40 hour week washing dishes after school till midnight and waking up at 3:30 to deliver newspapers before school. I get the work ethic.
I also understand that many in a shocked state may feel a sense of being unneeded in society when a long time position disappears and the mirage of existence fades right before your eyes.
At 18 I entered the Navy, not as a first choice as I had been accepted with long hours spent studying and help from a teacher to Michigan State. By that age I had to get away and so the military took me in. I made social mistakes and married young only to find myself ever encumbered with responsibility. After serving an adventurous experience between 89 and 93 I came back home at the request of my wife. I entered college and took on a culinary apprenticeship with the Weston Hotel (Now GM Head Quarters). Guess what, I started cutting lawns to earn additional funds to support my self produced responsibility. Low and behold my young marriage dissolved and left a bitter taste in my mouth. My workload began to weigh heavy over this period and I decided to go full time into landscaping. It proved to be lucrative for anyone willing to persevere the physical and mental game of running a service business, just not fast enough for my wife.
My 20's was a turbulent time as I decided or shall I say just let loose a pent up self and partied like a Rock Star. I ran my business with 12 employees 7 days a week and never found time to rest. I invested in friends and helped start several peoples dreams, some made it some did not but the experience will live forever. Needless to say the rock style life can sneak up on you and when it decides to end it can be a train wreck.
My friend and supervisor to my company was killed during a night out by some young men with nothing better to do. This experience was a most relevant awakening to the reality in which I was knee deep. I decided to move on.
Sales was something I did everyday yet had no formal training. In my inexperience I had taken over many large properties and dealt with executives and managers on a daily basis. I decided to sell cars. The auto business is an adventure of its own, starting from the bottom of a crew of 50 salesman all with themselves on the mind I managed to find a mentor and become a top producer. (Mentors have helped me every step of my life and I will always share my experience with anyone interested)
As a side job I decided to also learn and about scrap metal. It just sort of evolved as I was buying cars and came across a lemon that needed to go to a yard. A friend of mine, his Father (ex army ranger) was scraping in his retirement so there I went into waters unknown. (My Favorite Place) I also after several years got back into lawn care slowly as I was well aware of the income derived.
By my late 20's and into my 30's I was done with the car business. I was scrapping metal cutting lawns and also started a small mortgage gig. I had made enough contacts to work out a deal refinancing homes on the side. If I had thought the car business was shady nothing compares to what I witnessed in the Mortgage industry. Government regulated fraud and deception to the extreme. But we all know how that turned out.
My point is that I understand work, I understand desire and passion to excel. I wanted to share some of my life in small tidbits to possibly motivate anyone feeling down about their current circumstance. This is obviously just a small view into my struggles and journey yet as you can see giving up and feeling sorry for yourself is not the answer. Yes, I fell into the trap on occasion but always smacked myself until I awoke and continued on. (Or life smacked me and I just responded accordingly)
Mindset can and is the first decision one needs to understand. Without the will there is no way.
Today I have come full circle, I moved to Florida in 05 to run a restaurant for a friend opening franchises. It went well but being me I moved on to my small lawn care operation full time again. I am not meant to be tamed or managed by others. Once one feels success it never dissipates and true earnings for work will be sought out and cream does rise to the top. As you can guess I do many different things to provide, I have a new wife and small children that I intend to educate myself. I missed a lot of my elder children's youth in a quest I am still to this day trying to understand. But, I will not fall prey to a weary heart and let others dictate my being.
Society needs to stop and understand this reality we have created by allowing other people's greed to encroach upon common folk's dreams of the American Lifestyle. Which is in my opinion to survive and provide a healthy standard of living by utilizing one's talent and skills.
My request is that those still working at there chosen profession not look at the result of capitalistic expansion and its ramifications upon other occupations as the fault of the worker.
For those in the trap, please look into yourself and recognize your potential. Strive to rebound and make better any unplanned personal setbacks and rise to the top of your game.
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"It is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting"
" The average man doesn't want to be free. He wants to be safe."
H.L. Mencken
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redneck
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Posted - 05/17/2010 : 09:49:03
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cptindy
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Posted - 05/17/2010 : 08:01:11
I am well aware of the process Redneck, by contributing I meant contributing to society as a working soul and not a illegal coming into this country and heading straight to the welfare line.
On a side note, don't think that the system is compensating that premium out of its own kind heart. The factors involved all fall under employee compensation. I am not attempting to open a debate about this as I look at the big picture.
No debate here.
We are in total agreement.
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