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Nickelless
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 04/23/2010 : 05:57:01
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The who? Hehe....
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Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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Nickelless
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Zyll
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Posted - 04/23/2010 : 15:16:18
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Listen to Gerald Celente's recent interview on King World News.
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Very enlightening discussion on this topic. He was in Santiago, Chile when TSHTF after an 8.8 earthquake on 2/27/10.
"When people lose everything and they have nothing left to lose, they lose it." |
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Lemon Thrower
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 Posted - 04/23/2010 : 16:13:56
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| the police will be looting walmart like everyone else. just like katrina. |
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 04/23/2010 : 20:46:01
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Originally posted by Lemon Thrower
the police will be looting walmart like everyone else. just like katrina.
You know, that's what I was thinking. Just people. With a gun, a stick, and a badge that let's them use them....
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Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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Oldpagan
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Posted - 04/29/2010 : 19:42:27
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Originally posted by Lemon Thrower
the police will be looting walmart like everyone else. just like katrina.
Wal-Mart has nothing I need or want, and it would be the last place I would go if TSHTF. It’s always nice to see whom it is that’s going to take a cheap shot when the subject of the police comes up.
I’ve got 26+ years behind the badge, and am planning on trying to get 4 more in before pulling the pin. Yes cops are people too, and folks just love to point at New Orleans as an example, despite the fact that the N.O. police dept is known to be the most corrupt PD in the US.
In that 26 years I have watched society slowly dumb down and become mindless drones that follow where ever the government and media leads them. I’ve got a place out in the country a few miles outside a small town that I plan to retire to and no longer have to deal with people.
But to answer the OP question, don’t depend on anyone, police or otherwise in TSHTF that you have not already made plans with. Law Enforcement only provides a perception of security as long as most of the population plays well with each other.
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Nickelless
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Posted - 04/29/2010 : 19:48:09
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Thanks for posting, OldPagan. As a veteran cop, any other advice you'd like to offer on self-sufficiency and security? I know that most people on this forum are much more self-sufficient than the population as a whole, but we still have newbies pop up who are just getting started in self-sufficiency activities.
Any good resources, websites or other materials you could point people to that might help them with personal and family security issues before TSHTF? |
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thogey
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Posted - 04/29/2010 : 19:51:53
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It seem like cops spend most of their time dealing with people who create their own crisis.
I think most self-reliant people would be able to protect themselves and each other when TSHTF |
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Kurr
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Posted - 04/29/2010 : 20:06:48
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One of my two dads is a career officer on the Osceola County Sheriff's Department, Decorated, and creeping up on his thirty as well.
Now I am a law abiding, good natured guy, but nothing scares me like red and blues in my rear view, or talking to a strange face behind a badge. A "criminal" I can defend myself against. An invading army, drug addict, ANYONE else, from a civil argument to fight to the death I can defend myself, as a man.
With that badge, if I do everything right, and am in the right, and THEY misjudge/misconstrue/don't like my attitude/feel like making a point/etc the end result is me being electrocuted, beaten, shot, assaulted with chemical weapons that have been banned in war, imprisoned, or any combination of the above. And it will be dealt a "cover charge" of "resisting arrest", or "obstructing" or a half a dozen others I'll owe money for the privilage of being protected and served.
Law enforcement, the culture, and the officers, have changed a lot over the last 10-20 years. And to be honest, nine times out of ten, I prefer to deal with county officers as to State or City. The former seem to me to be more "peace officer" oriented where in my experience and observations, the state and city/township etc seem to be more "Law Enforcement Officers" AKA "Power Trippers" and "Revenue Collections/Property Forfiture Agents" AKA "Highwaymen".
I know a few GOOD officers in my county by name or sight, and I can still look my Sheriff in the eye when I shake his hand at bingo. I like it like that. |
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Oldpagan
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Posted - 04/29/2010 : 20:10:17
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Originally posted by Nickelless
Thanks for posting, OldPagan. As a veteran cop, any other advice you'd like to offer on self-sufficiency and security? I know that most people on this forum are much more self-sufficient than the population as a whole, but we still have newbies pop up who are just getting started in self-sufficiency activities.
Any good resources, websites or other materials you could point people to that might help them with personal and family security issues before TSHTF?
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I would start with this forum, and order the DVD’s as I could. The Hoods are fine people and the folks on the forum (Hoodlums) are a wealth of information.
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Kinder gentler folks that cover just about any subject you could want when it comes to self-sufficiency.
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Oldpagan
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Posted - 04/29/2010 : 20:15:59
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Kurr, even I think to my self "Oh C%&P a cop" when I see one in my rear view mirror, its human nature. I agree, cop culture its self has changed in the past 5,10,20+ years and not for the good. It mirrors society and the mindsets and values of the populace as a whole. Even more the reason to pop smoke and rub elbows with the farm folk as soon as I can.
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john7858
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Posted - 04/29/2010 : 21:58:38
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| Wow pagan 26 years. I only have 14 I can only imagine 26. I am down here in South Florida. Just to let you guys know lots of us believe in law abiding citizens rights to bear arms. I have been through some natural disaters and a few, "demonstrations". If there ever was a major world wide disater Im gonna be protecting myself and family first. |
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Nacinator
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Posted - 05/06/2010 : 04:44:35
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I have 15 years in and just over the hump for 30. I work in a rural Nor Cal county and I also believe in law abiding citizens right to bear arms. I would go so far as to refuse to comply with an order to go out and secure firearms from some who lawfuly owns them.
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Nickelless
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Oldpagan
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Posted - 05/06/2010 : 20:31:36
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Nacinator, has there been much talk in your department or among other law-enforcement agencies about refusing to obey unlawful orders by your superiors or other authority figures?
Having said that, I'm glad that the state where I'm (for now) a resident, Indiana, just passed a law prohibiting gun confiscation during emergencies:
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Most of us old salts would say no, but the young rookies would do as their told. I'd retire right then, and advise them not to come visiting with their hand held out... |
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City38
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Posted - 05/08/2010 : 15:57:18
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a few points from another cop...
1.fix the problem yourself before you have to call the police. a stitch in time sorta thing.
2.if you do have to call us out we can generally fix the problem and offer advice on how to proceed...take the advice!
Also, here in NC there is only one law that we have to enforce. read that again. for everything else it is left up to the officer as to where and how to apply the law. its called officer discretion. that one law is breaking a domestic violence protection order. if (when) the world falls apart keep a low profile and dont draw attention to yourself. 99% of the time when i arrest somebody for something its because they drew my attention to themselves by doing something dumb, (but not necessarily illegal!) or doing something minor and illegal. i would worry more about your neighbors and relatives in a shtf senario...the police will be really busy with other stuff! |
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Bluegill
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Posted - 05/08/2010 : 18:41:15
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Originally posted by City38
a few points from another cop...
1.fix the problem yourself before you have to call the police. a stitch in time sorta thing.
It's you stupid cops who are always telling the Citizenry NOT to take matters into your own hands, but call the authorities.
2.if you do have to call us out we can generally fix the problem and offer advice on how to proceed...take the advice!
Or what??? What if your advice is F G stupid or dangerous or impractical? Who do you think you are? You can give me advise, but don't tell me I have to take or else... You work for the people Mr. PUBLIC SERVANT!!!
Also, here in NC there is only one law that we have to enforce. read that again. for everything else it is left up to the officer as to where and how to apply the law. its called officer discretion. Therein lies the problem. Megalomaniac punks and criminals with that kind of power is always bad news. that one law is breaking a domestic violence protection order. if (when) the world falls apart keep a low profile and dont draw attention to yourself. 99% of the time when i arrest somebody for something its because they drew my attention to themselves by doing something dumb, (but not necessarily illegal!) Excuse me??? You're arresting people for doing nothing illegal??? Then you lie through your teeth to cover your a$$, and all your buddies in blue lie through their teeth to protect the brotherhood. That is what third world Junta do!!! or doing something minor and illegal. i would worry more about your neighbors and relatives in a shtf senario...the police will be really busy with other stuff!
I witness law enforcement all the time thinking they are above the law, strutting around like they are God incarnate on earth. The mundanes better respect their authority or they will put you in your place. Go to hell.
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thogey
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Posted - 05/08/2010 : 18:54:45
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The cops around here are pretty good. Part of the community, first name basis kind of guys.
Guys who get into law enforcement at a young age seem to be more like the ones Bluegill described above. This is because they are institutionalized. If they are a$$holes to begin with, the badge just amplifies their personality traits. The older guys who actually had a life before they took the 'job' are more realistic and down to earth.
When TSHTF, if you think you are going to rely on police, you are making a big mistake!
Day to day, if you think you are going to rely on police, you are making a big mistake!
Cops shut the barn door after the horse is long gone.
But... we do need someone to shut the barn door. |
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Oldpagan
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Posted - 05/08/2010 : 22:26:16
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Originally posted by Bluegill
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Originally posted by City38
a few points from another cop...
1.fix the problem yourself before you have to call the police. a stitch in time sorta thing.
It's you stupid cops who are always telling the Citizenry NOT to take matters into your own hands, but call the authorities.
2.if you do have to call us out we can generally fix the problem and offer advice on how to proceed...take the advice!
Or what??? What if your advice is FG stupid or dangerous or impractical? Who do you think you are? You can give me advise, but don't tell me I have to take or else... You work for the people Mr. PUBLIC SERVANT!!!
Also, here in NC there is only one law that we have to enforce. read that again. for everything else it is left up to the officer as to where and how to apply the law. its called officer discretion. Therein lies the problem. Megalomaniac punks and criminals with that kind of power is always bad news. that one law is breaking a domestic violence protection order. if (when) the world falls apart keep a low profile and dont draw attention to yourself. 99% of the time when i arrest somebody for something its because they drew my attention to themselves by doing something dumb, (but not necessarily illegal!) Excuse me??? You're arresting people for doing nothing illegal??? Then you lie through your teeth to cover your a$$, and all your buddies in blue lie through their teeth to protect the brotherhood. That is what third world Junta do!!! or doing something minor and illegal. i would worry more about your neighbors and relatives in a shtf senario...the police will be really busy with other stuff!
I witness law enforcement all the time thinking they are above the law, strutting around like they are God incarnate on earth. The mundanes better respect their authority or they will put you in your place. Go to hell.
Easy there Bluegill, not all of us are like that.
I think you may have taken some of City38's post out of context, and I do think he could have been a bit clearer about his points.
Regardless, please don't paint us all with that broad brush. Like every profession we have our bad apples. You just don't hear people bitching about bad plumbers, or how the doctor screwed things up.
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Nickelless
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Neckro
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Posted - 05/09/2010 : 01:48:51
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| +1 Bluegill =D |
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City38
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Posted - 05/09/2010 : 09:35:00
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bluegill, what i meant is that people sometimes let things go too far and are unable to handle things themselves. this could be anything ranging from having a bicycle stolen, (should be locked or secured in a home or building) to not seeking warrants. for example, lots of times i will speak to somebody who has been receiving harassing phone calls from a former lover/spouse. i advise the person to seek warrants with the magistrate using phone records for evidence and then advise the person to not answer the phone when the former lover/spouse calls or have any other form of contact with that person. that is standard advise...you dont have to take it, but ive seen where non-action leads. sometimes we will have to go back out to the persons home and break up a domestic, or take a report of assault, when if the person would have taken my advise....maybe it wouldnt have happened. that was my reference to a "stitch in time saves nine" dont let things get out of hand in the first place. i dont tell people to just call 911. most things should be handled by people without law enforcement help.
officer discretion is a good thing...what if i had to write a citation or arrest for every law that i witness being broken? Granny with the headlight out...ticket. man running late for work and speeding...ticket. jaywalking...ticket. failure to sign registration card...ticket. man using his firearms to protect his family...arrested. I am pro rights bluegill, i dont mess with ordinary folk. i try to get criminals off the street. lots of times i let people go without a citation or an arrest cause i know i would want a break. i focus on the people breaking into stuff and dope dealers. if you will look back at my post i said that people drew my attention by doing something dumb. i should have expanded that. lots of times somebody will draw my attention by doing something dumb (like spinning tires at a stoplight) and then i look a little closer and see that he has a brake light out and i look a little closer and he is weaving and crossing the center line and i stop him and he's drunk. if he wouldnt have been showing off and spinning tires i might not have noticed him at all. see what i mean? im not gonna lie on the stand so that something will stick in court. if i do that then my job/career is over. every defense lawyer in town would ask me if ive ever lied on the stand and my credibility is gone. there will be other chances if the guy still goes out and deals drugs again, and if he turns over a new leaf because of his charge then problem solved. blugill there are jerks out there, police that love to arrest just because they can but we are not all like that. but there are some good guy/gals too that buys a guy a cheeseburger cause hes hungry(even if hes on his way to jail), helps clean up poop at an old ladys house cause he couldnt make it to the bathroom, or grabs a guys glasses from his car after a wreck and takes them to the hospital cause i wear glasses too and am lost without them. three real examples of how i serve. |
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Oldpagan
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Posted - 05/09/2010 : 11:31:25
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+1 Bluegill =D
And that added what to this discussion?
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City38
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Posted - 05/09/2010 : 12:12:33
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| nick,didnt mean to hijack the thread. i wouldnt rely on the police when times get tough. be prepared to handle things for yourself and hope you dont have to...but im prepared to run to the sound of gunfire, to draw and return fire, to stop the violence so that folks can indeed seek life, liberty and happiness. |
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 05/09/2010 : 18:03:36
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| During a private police certification training course that I took here in Ohio the instructors (police officers) came out and basically said that if it hit the fan they were going to need all the help they could get. I for one feel we should be prepared and willing to help them. |
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