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Nickelless
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horgad
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 Posted - 11/03/2007 : 09:19:53
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| There are plenty of historical examples of gold/wealth confiscation throughout history in WTSHTF scenarios. And of course it can happen here again, but like any of these extreme events the odds of it happening, fortunately, are low...not as low as they use to be, but still low. |
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 09:32:17
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Over my dead body, literally. I've spent too much money on PM's and the firepower to protect it. It is mine.
Deal
I'm so sick over pennies....I frequently trade a dime or two for the whole "take-a-penny" container if sufficient coppers exist. That will get you some odd looks. |
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horgad
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 09:51:10
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The good news is that last time it happened in the US that they didn't put a huge effort into enforcing it. They did not go door to door shaking people down for their gold. Must likely because of too many people were of the same mind as NotABigDeal. 
However, they did freeze ALL safety deposit boxes and only allowed the owners to open them in the presence of an IRS official.
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 13:18:15
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Haha....they think they can stop me by freezing my safety deposit box. Not quite. I could ride out the freeze no problem. PM's tucked away safe. All my eggs are not in one basket so to speak. How long did the freeze last do you know? On paper the seizure or whatever may look good, but impossible to physically enforce it.
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I'm so sick over pennies....I frequently trade a dime or two for the whole "take-a-penny" container if sufficient coppers exist. That will get you some odd looks. |
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 18:39:21
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Originally posted by NotABigDeal
Over my dead body, literally. I've spent too much money on PM's and the firepower to protect it. It is mine.
Deal
I'm so sick over pennies....I frequently trade a dime or two for the whole "take-a-penny" container if sufficient coppers exist. That will get you some odd looks.
I agree. "LOCK AND LOAD" I'd say. |
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pencilvanian
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 22:13:22
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Even under the repression of the Soviet regime Russians could still own gold jewelry or if they were smart, gold scrap (broken jewelry.)
The gold confiscation of 1933 only managed to get the gold from those who willingly turned in gold, for gold coins overseas (think Switzerland) the US gold grab had no power. Same thing with US gold coins in Canada and Mexico.
Gold can only be confiscated if it can be found.
(This applies to other blogs/forums, didn't mean to annoy anyone here with this)
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Nickelless
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 23:31:49
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Two questions running through my brain:
1. In the event of a government gold grab, would it be deemed more subversive to own bullion bars than <100% coins? Or would the government try to get any and all gold?
2. Under what circumstances would the government call in privately owned PM? Would they do this to help shore up the dollar by backing it with more PM? Or would PM become the only real medium of value?
3. I'm guessing #1 and 2 would only apply if the U.S. government as we know it was still operational? |
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 11/04/2007 : 17:46:47
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My aunt worked in a bank during the gold confiscation of the 1930s. While people were turning their gold in, she was buying it out and kept it during the entire ban. Her son still has at least one of the coins to the best of my knowledge.
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Cody8404
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2007 : 18:16:01
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When discussing this you must keep clearly in mind that we are now in a time that the powers that be, not just Uncle Sam, can tell every credit / debit card purchase, every cell phone call, every bank transaction. With face recognition soft ware the powers know where you walk, drive and visit. With satellite imaging they can take clear pictures of anything as small as three feet round from space. I can show these just from the information that has been reported on the news as ways they have tracked killers, and other lawbreakers. They know who is using this site from which computer you are on. Every printer that you use has a unique fingerprint that can be traced. Paper can be traced from the tree to the manufacture, and on to the printer.
NAIS – National Animal Identification Service is working on being able to track every animal from birth to death via satellite tracking. If a farmer moves an animal those powers will be able to tell you when the animal left the farm, where it went, etc.
This is just the information that they are willing to share with us that they can do. Through the grape vine I have heard that face recognition is possible from satellites. Granted, it must be a clear day, but the most clear day the world had in the past 50 years was on September 12 and 13, 2001. It was made very clear that the airlines contrails are used as weather control.
Unless there is an EMP or something like it to knock out all the electronic records we are providing those powers know just how much we have.
Be ready. I bet those powers know how much gold, silver, platinum, copper and nickel that each of us have bought. Cash transactions are so difficult to use and make such a small percent of all transactions that the rest are easily traced.
In the last gold grab that law enforcement part of the country was 1-2% of the total, and they were all local boys. Now we have 10-15% of our total population involved in law enforcement, and since Hurricane Katrina we have shown that we are willing to allow Mexico, Canada, even England and Germany to our cross borders to aid with crowd control and law enforcement.
None of this was possible in the last gold grab. Uncle Sam knew there was gold but the grab came by telling people to bring their $20 gold to the bank and trade it for $20 paper bill. Now that $20 gold is worth more than $800 electronic, but can only be traded with gold dealers.
I can see a time when Uncles Sam, Pedro and Maple Leaf will be willing to knock down your door, kill you and take what they want from the trouble makers who were willing to hang onto their copper cents, silver and gold dollars and leave what is left of our families a few amero for their trouble.
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pencilvanian
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Posted - 11/04/2007 : 20:29:40
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Another point of view-
While the government has sophisticated technology at its disposal:
The FBI is still trying to update its 1970's era computers,
The IRS is still limping along with 1970's style mainframes running on COBOL programs written in 1959
The State Department still needs paper docoments to issue passports, even though an electronic system to double check fingerprints or birth certificates could be set up...
I guess the jist of my post is the government is smart at some things but absolutely stupid at other things. Billions wasted on pork projects or systems that don't work, Congress funding or not funding projects that may or may not keep out the bad guys, and with millions of computers nationwide and worldwide, who has time to search who posted what on which computer, and for that matter, what mainframe is powerful enough to electronically do the super search? Even the best Cray super computer would have a tough time keeping up with the nationwide internet traffic (which gets chopped up into packets of information and sent over dozens or hundreds of phone lines to eventually reach its destination.)
The government still has many holes in its impregnable net of security (the undocomented immigrants form Mexico prove this) we still have time and a chance to prepare for the gold grab/silver grab/whatever.
Remember, lost treasures still turn up, and treasure can still be hidden away in this day in age.
(This applies to other blogs/forums, didn't mean to annoy anyone here with this)
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 18:45:56
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Originally posted by pencilvanian
Another point of view-
While the government has sophisticated technology at its disposal:
The FBI is still trying to update its 1970's era computers,
The IRS is still limping along with 1970's style mainframes running on COBOL programs written in 1959
The State Department still needs paper docoments to issue passports, even though an electronic system to double check fingerprints or birth certificates could be set up...
I guess the jist of my post is the government is smart at some things but absolutely stupid at other things. Billions wasted on pork projects or systems that don't work, Congress funding or not funding projects that may or may not keep out the bad guys, and with millions of computers nationwide and worldwide, who has time to search who posted what on which computer, and for that matter, what mainframe is powerful enough to electronically do the super search? Even the best Cray super computer would have a tough time keeping up with the nationwide internet traffic (which gets chopped up into packets of information and sent over dozens or hundreds of phone lines to eventually reach its destination.)
The government still has many holes in its impregnable net of security (the undocomented immigrants form Mexico prove this) we still have time and a chance to prepare for the gold grab/silver grab/whatever.
Remember, lost treasures still turn up, and treasure can still be hidden away in this day in age.
(This applies to other blogs/forums, didn't mean to annoy anyone here with this)
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Your post kind of reminds me of an USSR joke. It goes something like this.............
The K.G.B told their top scientist that they wanted them to come up with an atomic bomb that could fit into a suitcase. The scientest got together in a group for a while and discussed the matter. When they returned they told the K.G.B official "Yes we can build such a bomb, but where can we get a suitcase?"
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Posted - 12/10/2007 : 23:37:58
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c140cessna
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 05:57:20
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Yhe Govt has a hard time tracking people that owe back taxes....I doubt they know how many cans of beans I've bought or the amount of PM anyone has hoarded...
I'm skeptical of what they know....
Just my opinion. |
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 14:05:48
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If the Gov. wants you to surrender your metals make sure to give them your lead first!
And when you give it to them, it would be at an "extreme velocity" handover rate. |
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 19:16:36
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Originally posted by c140cessna
Yhe Govt has a hard time tracking people that owe back taxes....I doubt they know how many cans of beans I've bought or the amount of PM anyone has hoarded...
I'm skeptical of what they know....
Just my opinion.
Same here.
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Plain and simple.
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 20:32:58
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The govenment is incompetent line is being fed to you continuously in an attempt to prevent you from taking the government seriously.
Go ahead, laugh it off.
Convince yourself that the gov is so incompetent that they are not a threat.
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 07:04:27
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Unless you have done something to bring unwanted attention to yourself, or you have enough PM's to fill several Brinks trucks, you would be okay. Where would they (government) come up with the man power to confiscate PM's held at personal residences? Army, National Guard, or Marines show up at my house? Don't you think that the officers would question why they were getting paid in FRN's for confiscating the only real form of money? Most are college educated, and many of the enlisted men/women are pretty bright. A lot of households to go to and repeat the seizure process. See the terror in the citizens faces. That would take a toll on the "Confiscators". They are people and Americans too. This "all knowing" government of yours would have already have played this scenario out in their planning rooms. Safety deposit boxes could be frozen as previously mentioned, but that is easily remedied. My PM dealer, who has a lot of metals on hand, would have more to worry about in that situation. He would not be a push over either.
If, and I stress the IF a seizure was in effect and being enforced, it is up to the individual to decide if it is worth fighting for. I for one would be fighting, and I know I would not be the only one. All the anti-government groups would be up in arms in one way or another. What is the time frame on this seizure? When will it take place in your opinions?
Deal
p.s. When I say "you" and "yours", I am not talking to anyone in particular. I am referring to the pro-seizure-possibility people. Nothing personal. |
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 14:28:01
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You must be careful. The troops the new world order will send will not be U.S. Marines. They will come from other countries to help squash the rebellion, made up or real, or to help with some natural disaster, like the Mexican troops helping with hurricane Katrina.
While they are here and find out they will not get paid for their volunteer service then they will raid the homes of U.S. Citizens for their booty.
I could easily see the Chinese sending troops to America to take the property that they have bought with all the fiat money we are sending them. The gutless wonders in Washington will tell us this is just globalization.
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To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States.
No State shall make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.
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El Dee
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 19:20:12
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Sure, the government is incompetent. That's the PROBLEM, not how to keep out of the way.
Your bank account is frozen because of a paperwork SNAFU.
Your house is raided because of a paperwork SNAFU.
You get a visit from a social worker because of a paperwork SNAFU.
You get jury duty because you registered to vote. (Oops - what's that doing here?)
Remember, children, if the paperwork or electronic entry doesn't exist, they don't know about it.
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 19:37:18
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| One thing I would not have is a bank safe deposit box. Even if it is empty. |
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Frugi
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 19:48:03
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| Cash from ATM's is tracked by serial number. Every bill's serial number is recorded and to who is receiving that bill from that ATM is also recorded. |
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 12/13/2007 : 07:04:06
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You must be careful. The troops the new world order will send will not be U.S. Marines. They will come from other countries to help squash the rebellion, made up or real, or to help with some natural disaster, like the Mexican troops helping with hurricane Katrina.
While they are here and find out they will not get paid for their volunteer service then they will raid the homes of U.S. Citizens for their booty.
I could easily see the Chinese sending troops to America to take the property that they have bought with all the fiat money we are sending them. The gutless wonders in Washington will tell us this is just globalization.
Do you think that everyone else would sit idle while we are basically invaded? Now we are not just talking about seizing PM's, we are talking about full scale invasion with the pillaging of our private possessions buy a foreign nation or nations. The number of private citizens that would stand and fight JUST because of the foreigners would be sky high. Do you have any idea how many legal gun owners there are? Most are die-hard patriots. An invasion of any sort would/could set them off. You would have to take private guns away....good luck with that. I would hesitate even less from defending what is mine if a bunch of foreign invaders showed up in my neighborhood. I am probably more well armed than half of the "invaders" anyway....
Banks are a tricky but necessary evil. I personally don't keep all that much in the bank for the reasons mentioned by El Dee. Necessary to pay bills and such. You do this to blend in. One of the sheep so to speak.
Frugi, is there ANY untraceable money? Where do I get some. Wouldn't all money be traceable? The government would know the source and would just have to work backwards. I don't buy anything illegal, I don't think, and I pay my taxes. What would they want with MY records? I guess I could take all my cash as coin....how about into pennies? hehe.
I DO have a safe deposit box. Contents would be very disappointing for the person opening it. Nothing of real value should be kept anywhere where you can't get at it at any time. A secret stash isn't secret if somebody has to get "their" key to open your box.
Deal
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Live free or die.
Plain and simple.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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CoinHunter53562
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 07:54:24
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Cash from ATM's is tracked by serial number. Every bill's serial number is recorded and to who is receiving that bill from that ATM is also recorded.
This is the first time I have read this. Do you have some inside knowledge or proof of this, or has anyone else heard of this? |
My hobby: collecting real money 1 copper cent or nickel at a time.
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Nickelless
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 08:05:10
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Originally posted by CoinHunter53562
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Cash from ATM's is tracked by serial number. Every bill's serial number is recorded and to who is receiving that bill from that ATM is also recorded.
This is the first time I have read this. Do you have some inside knowledge or proof of this, or has anyone else heard of this?
Given the literally millions of FRNs that are put in and taken out of ATMs every day, this sounds really, really farfetched. Not only would it be nearly impossible given the typical bank's manpower or lack thereof, what would be the purpose? There are much more efficient ways to watch for money-laundering, and I don't think this one would make the cut. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds really, really unlikely.
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CoinHunter53562
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 08:21:25
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Given the literally millions of FRNs that are put in and taken out of ATMs every day, this sounds really, really farfetched. Not only would it be nearly impossible given the typical bank's manpower or lack thereof, what would be the purpose? There are much more efficient ways to watch for money-laundering, and I don't think this one would make the cut. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds really, really unlikely.
I would have to agree. It seems to me that it would be too time consuming to record these. For example, when the Brinks guy or the bank guy fills up the ATM machine I just cant picture them taking the time to record every serial #. It just doesnt make sense and it doesnt seem like this is something they are currently doing. Could they do it? Sure, but it doesnt seem likely to me. |
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