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jtm3
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 Posted - 03/04/2010 : 19:45:06
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I plan on going on a 3-5 day hike this Spring (and another one this summer)and am not completely sure what to bring.
I am going to be hiking in (western) Loudoun and Clarke County.
In case you don't know exactly where that is, it is the northern tip of Virginia.
I will be hiking on back -sometimes dirt- roads for the most part.
I plan on breeaking it up into numerous days hiking to different campsites with periods of rest to be set aside for leisurely activities such as fishing.
Day 1: 20 miles
Day 2: 10 miles
Day 3: 25 miles
Day 4: Rest
Day 5: 30 miles
I want to be able to contain everything in a blanket roll with maybe a day pack or butt pack to carry some food in. Nothing fancy. For shelter I plan on using a basic tarp with some stakes.
I don't want you guys to think I haven't thought at all by myself, and am idea mooching , so I will post my rough draft list shortly.
Thanks,
JTM3
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 19:57:08
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Iodine tablets #1 priority. I'm sure you have (serrated) blades, string, fishhooks, fire starter and matches covered.
A mirror, map, and compass. 550 cord is essential.
Don't forget a few asprin, and a little salt.
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 Posted - 03/04/2010 : 20:10:18
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I was thinking of staying away from canned foods and that sort. I would much rather fresh foods. Here is my food list. Please feel free to critisize it.
Food:
-3 pounds of small red potatoes (for boiling)
-5 pounds white rice
-5 pounds dried Navy Beans
-2 pounds of Pork Side Meat (no refrigeration necessary)
-Power Bars and other quick energy foods
-(Fruit?)
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 20:11:38
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GPS with emergency beacon.
Gun.
A friend.
You step off the beaten path and it can be a whole new world now days. HUGE pot patches, acres in size. Meth camps. Human trafficking. You don't think homeless tent cities and criminals set up camp in our state and national parks?
I LOVE being in the woods and away from it all. But if I go into the woods, even the woods behind my own house, I try to have a gun with me, and a cell phone.
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 20:21:55
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I was going to mention the gun thing in my post.
But there is one problem. I am not yet 18 and therfore can't carry in public. I am going with a couple of friends and was thinking maybe a sjambok or something I could roll up in my blanket and use the blanket as a sheath of sorts. Also, maybe one of those Cold Steel Shovels?
Another thing, do you know anything about carrying a tomahawk or hatchet at my age? That is why I was thinking about the Cold Steel Shovel.
I will also bring a couple of detailed maps of the area. |
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 20:27:28
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Originally posted by jtm3
I was going to mention the gun thing in my post.
But there is one problem. I am not yet 18 and therfore can't carry in public. I am going with a couple of friends and was thinking maybe a sjambok or something I could roll up in my blanket and use the blanket as a sheath of sorts. Also, maybe one of those Cold Steel Shovels?
Another thing, do you know anything about carrying a tomahawk or hatchet at my age? That is why I was thinking about the Cold Steel Shovel.
I will also bring a couple of detailed maps of the area.
Bring a gun.
If you need to use it, the law will be the least of you problems.
Getting sick from drinking contaminated water is you biggest risk.
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 20:39:07
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Originally posted by jtm3
I was thinking of staying away from canned foods and that sort. I would much rather fresh foods. Here is my food list. Please feel free to critisize it.
Food:
-3 pounds of small red potatoes (for boiling)
-5 pounds white rice
-5 pounds dried Navy Beans
-2 pounds of Pork Side Meat (no refrigeration necessary)
-Power Bars and other quick energy foods
-(Fruit?)
Hey Kurr,
When I read this I thought the same thing.
The hike seems ambitious. Keep your feet dry and clean!
But the boy is going to be hiking on roads. It might not be like a SERE or bivouac type situation.
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jtm3
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 20:45:50
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Originally posted by Kurr
I also got to thinking. How many times have you donned a pack and actually walked 20 miles? 10 miles? Especially wearing a pack. After a few miles every single little ounce counts and better be damned essential.
I have seen blisters on my feet as big as my palm from a 25 mile road march. Just something else to think about.
I have gone on small 10-15 mile hikes with a day pack. 20 miles round trip at most, so I didn't have to worry about setting up camp.
That is why I was thinking of the blanket roll. It could help minimize wieght without all the storage space.
I will go on conditioning hikes in the month prior. Just my regular 5 mile hike that I go on like every couple of days in the Summer/Spring except with my supplies. I also have some family within 15 miles that I will also hike to prior to te hike. |
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 21:14:12
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Originally posted by jtm3
I was thinking of staying away from canned foods and that sort. I would much rather fresh foods. Here is my food list. Please feel free to critisize it.
Food:
-3 pounds of small red potatoes (for boiling)
-5 pounds white rice
-5 pounds dried Navy Beans
-2 pounds of Pork Side Meat (no refrigeration necessary)
-Power Bars and other quick energy foods
-(Fruit?)
You need to think straight up calories, 3000 per day.
Think small, Jerky, dehydrated fruit maybe see if you can get K rations. Remember, you have to cook all that stuff you mentioned above. You'll need a pot, water and fuel. Bring stuff that you don't have to cook. 5 days is a long time. You better make sure water will be available on your route.
Never pass a stream without filling up. I can't emphasize enough. Dont drink wild water with out the iodine tabs. Beaver sh*t and other contaminates can make you so sick over 5 days you will wish you were never born. |
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 21:49:12
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85 miles ???
21.25 miles per day (4 days)
Walking speed approx. 2.5 miles per hr. = walking 8.5 hrs. per day non-stop.
Take a cell phone for sure. 
So someone can come pick you up if your body or will gives out.
Pack extremely light.
Or
If your trying to see what it would be like in a emergency, try carrying a full pack with all your worldly possessions.
and
Don't forget to fill your pockets with rolls of silver halves,quarters
,dimes and copper pennies to simulate a SHTF scenario. (several pounds of fishing weights ought to do)
Good luck...
and tell us how you make out.
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jtm3
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 22:14:21
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Originally posted by redneck
85 miles ???
21.25 miles per day (4 days)
Walking speed approx. 2.5 miles per hr. = walking 8.5 hrs. per day non-stop.
Take a cell phone for sure.
So someone can come pick you up if your body or will gives out.
Pack extremely light.
Or
If your trying to see what it would be like in a emergency, try carrying a full pack with all your worldly possessions.
and
Don't forget to fill your pockets with rolls of silver halves,quarters
,dimes and copper pennies to simulate a SHTF scenario. (several pounds of fishing weights ought to do)
Good luck...
and tell us how you make out.
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 22:39:35
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I will go ahead and break this down into sections, and edit it based on responses.
Blanket roll:
-60% wool blanket
-1 extra under shirt
-1 pair of running shorts
-2 pairs of boxer shorts (wow, this is getting weird)
-2 pairs of socks
-Cold Steel 42' Sjambok
-3 Eight hour candles
-Coghlan's Sewing Kit
-"Fishing Kit"(See my "Mini-Personal Survival Kit"
-10 NATO Survival Matches
-Small Knife Sharpening Stone
-25 feet of paracord
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 22:51:41
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Kurr is right. Every ounce in the morning feels like a pound at night.
For socks, you'll want wool socks and hiking liners for them and good gortex boots.
20miles is a lot to cover days straight. A day hike for 15 miles is one thing but when you have essentials on your back, you wont be wanting to do this day after day.
Of course...on my hiking trip/shakedowns getting ready for it, we had 50lb packs.
What about camp suds? if you are cooking, you'll need to do dishes.
Bug spray?
small shovel to dig a hole to "use"
Nalgene water bottles
comfortable shoes to let your feet relax in from your boots?
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I used to hike a lot on the appalachian trail during the weekends, 3-4 days at a time. There are several things that are well worth buying ahead of time which I wish I would have learned on my first few trips out.
Weight is your biggest killer on long hikes. Climbing a 3k feet mountains with an extra few pounds is the difference between 10 miles and 20 miles a day.
-Buy a backpacker/hiking lightweight tent with a vestibule. I say this for two reasons, 1) hiking tents are much lighter than your traditional cheap tents you find at walmart. 2) The vestibule provides a sheltered area for your items god forbid it rain or snow.
-Buy a quality water filter. I know some people dont mind iodine in their water and it will do the job, but for your comfort on the hike I would recomend a quality ceramic-type filter. Nothing worse than making it to the top of the mountain and your water tastes like crap. You want quality water. Having a filter also allows you to cut back on the amount of water you have to carry, which lightens up your pack.
-Buy a quality pack. There are a lot of cheap packs out there that you will regret having once you get well within your hike. Find one that fits your needs weather internal or external framed. Performance of a pack makes a huge difference in how you distribute your weight.
-Buy dehydrated foods if possible. This will cut back a lot of weight you carry. There a lot of quality dehydrated foods out there that taste as good as the hydrated stuff. Cans or bottles are a no no. If you need somethign that is heavy, break it down into smaller portions so you distribute the weight. Also, remember to bring something that you really enjoy. A little treat on a long trip helps. Also bring some higher fat foods such as nuts or peanut butter. You will burn the fat on the hike.
-Buy a hiking camp stove. Something like a MSR Wisperlite will do the trick. Always bring a backup fuel bottle. You can technicall cook over a fire but there is nothing worse than trying to find firewood and starting a fire when its wet and you are hungry. Camp stoves are quick and easy way to boil water needed to reconstitute your food.
-Buy a good quality backpacker sleeping bag. These cut back on the bulk in your pack but give you the needed comfort and warmth. If you have the larger bulkier type bag, this will throw off your weight distribution in your pack and take up most of your room. I also recomend getting a compression stuff sack for your bag and your clothes. This helps in making the most of your room in you pack. Compression bags can also be used to hang your food at night from bears.
As others have noted on this thread there are other items that you should bring. I will list off what I usually take with me.
-quality folding sharpe knife
-20 to 25 feet of nylon cord (to hang food at night, to dry clothes in the evening)
-lightweight under clothes, no cotton (pefer capilene, or synthetic type that dries quickly)
-heavy flece pants and top
-quality lightweight parka (gortex if you can afford it but there are affordable ones out there that are not gortex)
-quality hiking boots that are broken in (dont break them in on your hike, your feet will kill you)
-lots (enought for 2 changes a day) of wool socks, no cotton
-medical kit (basic medical supplies, may want blister care stuff added to it)
-2 lighters and a flint and steel fire starter as backup (store lighter in a plastic bag)
-firestarters (when everything is wet)
-Nalgene water bottles that fit your filter (important so you dont cross contaminate your water)
-good quality hat (keeps sun out of your face, and in summer ticks out of your hair)
-bug spray (heavy mesquito areas require a good deet repellant, keep away from anything platic)
-fully charged cell phone (keep off and in a plastic bag till you need to use it)
-self inflating air mattress. (amazing what this will do to help you sleep on the cold hard ground)
-personal care products (toothbrush, babywipes, sun screen, contact solution/glasses, small mirror)
-small compass and map of the area you are going into (learn how to use the compass and map, they are not for the newbie)
I saw someone recomended bringing a gun. You need to be careful where you bring a gun. If you are on federal property, you can run into some issues. In all my days I have never run into any issues with threatening types, but that is not to say they are not out there. I usually have my dog (90lb rottie/pit mix) with me, and I am a big guy, so I dont feel threatened easily. Can you use a gun in a situation where you are lost and need to gather food, yes. But if you prepare carefully you should be able to survive any situation you find yourself in. The key here for your personal protection is be low key. Dont do things that draw attention to yourself if you are in an area that is populated. Camp off the beaten path where you are not visable. Dont start a smokey fire. Most criminal types dont go actively searching for you, they are drawn to you by things that get their attention. Having a dog/partner with you is also helpful.
And the biggest thing is, have fun. Enjoy the outdoors. With a little prep you can have a great trip.
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jtm3
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Posted - 03/05/2010 : 21:26:45
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Originally posted by moboman
Kurr is right. Every ounce in the morning feels like a pound at night.
For socks, you'll want wool socks and hiking liners for them and good gortex boots.
20miles is a lot to cover days straight. A day hike for 15 miles is one thing but when you have essentials on your back, you wont be wanting to do this day after day.
Of course...on my hiking trip/shakedowns getting ready for it, we had 50lb packs.
What about camp suds? if you are cooking, you'll need to do dishes.
Bug spray?
small shovel to dig a hole to "use"
Nalgene water bottles
comfortable shoes to let your feet relax in from your boots?
What about a sleeping bag?
Thanks Moboman, I would have forgotten bug-spray and some sort of camp suds.
I will be bringing a shovel (e-tool) on my belt or something.
I have a camelback that I was thinking about bringing but refilling from a stream with that might get tricky. I haven't decided on what will carry my water.
I may just tie some flip-flops to my blanket.
A sleeping bag was another reason that I was thinking, "blanket roll". It works as a pack ,"sleeping bag", or a pillow during rests/naps. |
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Posted - 03/05/2010 : 21:54:16
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Originally posted by AGCoinHunter
I used to hike a lot on the appalachian trail during the weekends, 3-4 days at a time. There are several things that are well worth buying ahead of time which I wish I would have learned on my first few trips out.
Weight is your biggest killer on long hikes. Climbing a 3k feet mountains with an extra few pounds is the difference between 10 miles and 20 miles a day.
-Buy a backpacker/hiking lightweight tent with a vestibule. I say this for two reasons, 1) hiking tents are much lighter than your traditional cheap tents you find at walmart. 2) The vestibule provides a sheltered area for your items god forbid it rain or snow.I was thinking of bringing just a tarp for shelter. It would be small and I could quickly set one up with a single stick and a few stakes.
-Buy a quality water filter. I know some people dont mind iodine in their water and it will do the job, but for your comfort on the hike I would recomend a quality ceramic-type filter. Nothing worse than making it to the top of the mountain and your water tastes like crap. You want quality water. Having a filter also allows you to cut back on the amount of water you have to carry, which lightens up your pack.I don't mind bad tasting water. I don't like it, but I won't turn it down. The water fountains at my school dispense the foulest tasting water I have ever had. Also, aren't filters kind of pricey?
-Buy a quality pack. There are a lot of cheap packs out there that you will regret having once you get well within your hike. Find one that fits your needs weather internal or external framed. Performance of a pack makes a huge difference in how you distribute your weight. A blanket roll might not be the most comfortable but it definitely cuts down the bill. All those Soldiers in the 1860's did it, why can't I? Okay, don't answer that question.
-Buy dehydrated foods if possible. This will cut back a lot of weight you carry. There a lot of quality dehydrated foods out there that taste as good as the hydrated stuff. Cans or bottles are a no no. If you need somethign that is heavy, break it down into smaller portions so you distribute the weight. Also, remember to bring something that you really enjoy. A little treat on a long trip helps. Also bring some higher fat foods such as nuts or peanut butter. You will burn the fat on the hike.I will definitely consider dehydrated foods. And will bring a couple of treats of some kind and Peanut Butter.
-Buy a hiking camp stove. Something like a MSR Wisperlite will do the trick. Always bring a backup fuel bottle. You can technicall cook over a fire but there is nothing worse than trying to find firewood and starting a fire when its wet and you are hungry. Camp stoves are quick and easy way to boil water needed to reconstitute your food. I was thinking of a DIY hobo stove, but maybe I will bring one of those toilet paper alcohol stoves.
-Buy a good quality backpacker sleeping bag. These cut back on the bulk in your pack but give you the needed comfort and warmth. If you have the larger bulkier type bag, this will throw off your weight distribution in your pack and take up most of your room. I also recomend getting a compression stuff sack for your bag and your clothes. This helps in making the most of your room in you pack. Compression bags can also be used to hang your food at night from bears.Definitely going to bring a compression bag or two.
As others have noted on this thread there are other items that you should bring. I will list off what I usually take with me.
-quality folding sharpe knifeCheck
-20 to 25 feet of nylon cord (to hang food at night, to dry clothes in the evening)Check
-lightweight under clothes, no cotton (pefer capilene, or synthetic type that dries quickly)Check
-heavy flece pants and top It stays pretty warm through the nights here
-quality lightweight parka (gortex if you can afford it but there are affordable ones out there that are not gortex)Check
-quality hiking boots that are broken in (dont break them in on your hike, your feet will kill you)Check
-lots (enought for 2 changes a day) of wool socks, no cotton Check
-medical kit (basic medical supplies, may want blister care stuff added to it)Checking
-2 lighters and a flint and steel fire starter as backup (store lighter in a plastic bag)Check
-firestarters (when everything is wet)Check
-Nalgene water bottles that fit your filter (important so you dont cross contaminate your water)Undecided
-good quality hat (keeps sun out of your face, and in summer ticks out of your hair)Check(ing) Do you recommend a Booonie Hat, or something else?
-bug spray (heavy mesquito areas require a good deet repellant, keep away from anything platic)Check
-fully charged cell phone (keep off and in a plastic bag till you need to use it)Check
-self inflating air mattress. (amazing what this will do to help you sleep on the cold hard ground)I may just add a little bit of a cushion to roll with the blanket.
-personal care products (toothbrush, babywipes, sun screen, contact solution/glasses, small mirror)Check
-small compass and map of the area you are going into (learn how to use the compass and map, they are not for the newbie)Check
I saw someone recomended bringing a gun. You need to be careful where you bring a gun. If you are on federal property, you can run into some issues. In all my days I have never run into any issues with threatening types, but that is not to say they are not out there. I usually have my dog (90lb rottie/pit mix) with me, and I am a big guy, so I dont feel threatened easily. Can you use a gun in a situation where you are lost and need to gather food, yes. But if you prepare carefully you should be able to survive any situation you find yourself in. The key here for your personal protection is be low key. Dont do things that draw attention to yourself if you are in an area that is populated. Camp off the beaten path where you are not visable. Dont start a smokey fire. Most criminal types dont go actively searching for you, they are drawn to you by things that get their attention. Having a dog/partner with you is also helpful.
And the biggest thing is, have fun. Enjoy the outdoors. With a little prep you can have a great trip.
Thank you for the list! I hope you don't think I was picking you apart. I just cant get a job for another couple of months here so have that restriction.
Thanks again,
JTM3
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Originally posted by thogey
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Originally posted by jtm3
I was thinking of staying away from canned foods and that sort. I would much rather fresh foods. Here is my food list. Please feel free to critisize it.
Food:
-3 pounds of small red potatoes (for boiling)
-5 pounds white rice
-5 pounds dried Navy Beans
-2 pounds of Pork Side Meat (no refrigeration necessary)
-Power Bars and other quick energy foods
-(Fruit?)
You need to think straight up calories, 3000 per day.
Think small, Jerky, dehydrated fruit maybe see if you can get K rations. Remember, you have to cook all that stuff you mentioned above. You'll need a pot, water and fuel. Bring stuff that you don't have to cook. 5 days is a long time. You better make sure water will be available on your route.
Never pass a stream without filling up. I can't emphasize enough. Dont drink wild water with out the iodine tabs. Beaver sh*t and other contaminates can make you so sick over 5 days you will wish you were never born.
Are you referring to a WWII-style K ration? What ever you are referring to, could you give some information on where to pick them up? |
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Posted - 03/06/2010 : 16:26:41
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Hell, I don't even know if they still make them. They used to issue us these compressed cornflake bars. They came in vacume sealed, individually wrapped in a can. The can was like a spam can with a key that you hooked up to a tab a pealed the top off. The bars weren't bad. They have about 1500 cal per. Lots of carbs. If you eat half of one and wash it down with some water it expands in you stomach.
I would try a military surplus store. MRE's might be a good choice. You could buy a few and just take out the stuff you need to bring with you. They're really not bad at all. |
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Posted - 03/06/2010 : 21:36:13
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| I think I'll stick to cooking my own meals. MREs would be pretty expensive if I did 3 meals a day for 3+ days. That is, unless I could find something as cool as K rations! |
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Posted - 03/06/2010 : 22:48:27
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| Today I bought a folding shovel with saw a mess kit and some emergency candles. |
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Posted - 03/06/2010 : 22:52:46
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Re: MRE's > you don't need 3 MRE's per day there's a lot of stuff in an MRE.
You should get 1 for each full day out for a total of 3. Just take some of the packets with you. There's a bunch of stuff in MREs you won't need. You might be able to sub energy bars for K-rats.
But I'm telling you, your biggest problem is clean safe water.
Edit to add: you're going to be killing yourself with all the potatoes, bean's etc. Maybe bring some fresh food for 1 meal.
Your hike is ambitious, I hope you have fun. But just understand, you will run into some problems. Don't make food and safe water an issue. |
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Originally posted by jtm3
I was going to mention the gun thing in my post.
But there is one problem. I am not yet 18 and therfore can't carry in public. I am going with a couple of friends and was thinking maybe a sjambok or something I could roll up in my blanket and use the blanket as a sheath of sorts. Also, maybe one of those Cold Steel Shovels?
Another thing, do you know anything about carrying a tomahawk or hatchet at my age? That is why I was thinking about the Cold Steel Shovel.
I will also bring a couple of detailed maps of the area.
If one of your friends is old enough to carry a gun and can do so legally, it might be something you'd seriously want to consider. I saw this story on Yahoo News, and while this might not be a big problem where you're at, well, you never know:
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By ALICIA A. CALDWELL and MANUEL VALDES, Associated Press Writers Alicia A. Caldwell And Manuel Valdes, Associated Press Writers Mon Mar 1, 6:19 pm ET
SEQUOIA NATIONAL FOREST, Calif. Not far from Yosemite's waterfalls and in the middle of California's redwood forests, Mexican drug gangs are quietly commandeering U.S. public land to grow millions of marijuana plants and using smuggled immigrants to cultivate them.
Pot has been grown on public lands for decades, but Mexican traffickers have taken it to a whole new level: using armed guards and trip wires to safeguard sprawling plots that in some cases contain tens of thousands of plants offering a potential yield of more than 30 tons of pot a year.
"Just like the Mexicans took over the methamphetamine trade, they've gone to mega, monster gardens," said Brent Wood, a supervisor for the California Department of Justice's Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement. He said Mexican traffickers have "supersized" the marijuana trade.
Interviews conducted by The Associated Press with law enforcement officials across the country showed that Mexican gangs are largely responsible for a spike in large-scale marijuana farms over the last several years.
Local, state and federal agents found about a million more pot plants each year between 2004 and 2008, and authorities say an estimated 75 percent to 90 percent of the new marijuana farms can be linked to Mexican gangs.
In 2008 alone, according to the Drug Enforcement Administration, police across the country confiscated or destroyed 7.6 million plants from about 20,000 outdoor plots.
Growing marijuana in the U.S. saves traffickers the risk and expense of smuggling their product across the border and allows gangs to produce their crops closer to local markets.
Distribution also becomes less risky. Once the marijuana is harvested and dried on the hidden farms, drug gangs can drive it to major cities, where it is distributed to street dealers and sold along with pot that was grown in Mexico.
About the only risk to the Mexican growers, experts say, is that a stray hiker or hunter could stumble onto a hidden field.
The remote plots are nestled under the cover of thick forest canopies in places such as Sequoia National Park, or hidden high in the rugged-yet-fertile Sierra Nevada Mountains. Others are secretly planted on remote stretches of Texas ranch land.
All of the sites are far from the eyes of law enforcement, where growers can take the time needed to grow far more potent marijuana. Farmers of these fields use illegal fertilizers to help the plants along, and use cloned female plants to reduce the amount of seed in the bud that is dried and eventually sold.
Mexican gang plots can often be distinguished from those of domestic-based growers, who usually cultivate much smaller fields with perhaps 100 plants and no security measures.
Some of the fields tied to the drug gangs have as many as 75,000 plants, each of which can yield at least a pound of pot annually, according to federal data reviewed by the AP.
The Sequoia National Forest in central California is covered in a patchwork of pot fields, most of which are hidden along mountain creeks and streams, far from hiking trails. It's the same situation in the nearby Yosemite, Sequoia and Redwood national parks.
Even if they had the manpower to police the vast wilderness, authorities say terrain and weather conditions often keep them from finding the farms, except accidentally.
Many of the plots are encircled with crude explosives and are patrolled by guards armed with AK-47s who survey the perimeter from the ground and from perches high in the trees.
The farms are growing in sophistication and are increasingly cultivated by illegal immigrants, many of whom have been brought to the U.S. from Michoacan.
Growers once slept among their plants, but many of them now have campsites up to a mile away equipped with separate living and cooking areas.
"It's amazing how they have changed the way they do business," Wood said. "It's their domain."
Drug gangs have also imported marijuana experts and unskilled labor to help find the best land or build irrigation systems, Wood said.
Moyses Mesa Barajas had just arrived in eastern Washington state from the Mexican state of Michoacan when he was approached to work in a pot field. He was taken almost immediately to a massive crop hidden in the Wenatchee National Forest, where he managed the watering of the plants.
He was arrested in 2008 in a raid and sentenced to more than six years in federal prison. Several other men wearing camouflage fled before police could stop them.
"I thought it would be easy," he told the AP in a jailhouse interview. "I didn't think it would be a big crime."
Scott Stewart, vice president for tactical intelligence at Stratfor, a global intelligence company in Austin, Texas, said recruiters look for people who still have family in Mexico, so they can use them as leverage to keep the farmers working and to keep them quiet.
"If they send Jose from the hometown and Jose rips them off, they are going to go after Jose's family," Stewart said. "It's big money."
When the harvest is complete, investigators say, pot farm workers haul the product in garbage bags to dropoff points that are usually the same places where they get resupplied with food and fuel.
Agents routinely find the discarded remnants of camp life when they discover marijuana fields. It's not uncommon to discover pots and pans, playing cards and books, half-eaten bags of food, and empty beer cans and liquor bottles.
But the growers leave more than litter to worry about. They often use animal poisons that can pollute mountain streams and groundwater meant for legitimate farmers and ranchers.
Because of the tree cover, armed pot farmers can often take aim at law enforcement before agents ever see them.
"They know the terrain better than we do," said Lt. Rick Ko, a drug investigator with the sheriff's office in Fresno, Calif. "Before we even see them, they can shoot us."
In Wisconsin, the number of confiscated plants grew sixfold between 2003 and 2008, to more than 32,000 found in 2008.
Wisconsin agents used to find a few dozen marijuana plants on national forest land. Now they discover hundreds or even thousands.
"If we are getting 40 to 50 percent (of fields), I think we are doing well," said Michigan State Police 1st Lt. Dave Peltomaa. "I really don't think we are close to 50 percent. We don't have the resources."
Vast amounts of pot are still smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. Federal officials report nearly daily hauls of several hundred to several thousand pounds seized along the border. But drug agents say the boom in domestic growing is a sign of diversification by traffickers.
Officials say arrests of farmers are rare, though the sheriff's office in Fresno did nab more than 100 suspects during two weeks of raids last summer. But when field hands are arrested, most only tell authorities about their specific job.
When asked who hired him, Mesa repeatedly told an AP reporter, "I can't tell you."
Washington State Patrol Lt. Richard Wiley said hired hands either do not know who the boss is or are too frightened to give details.
"They are fearful of what may happen to them if they were to snitch on these coyote people," Wiley said of the recruiters and smugglers who bring marijuana farmers into the U.S. "That's organized crime of a different fashion. There's nothing to gain from (talking), but there's a lot to lose." |
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Alright, I think I solved the weapon and self-defense issue.
So, I have always wanted a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun, but I ruled that out since it isn't powerful enough to really trust it. Also the gravity-fed action would worry me as well ad the awkwardness of the lever-action.
I have a Daisy Powerline 880, but I ruled that out because it is a multi-pump pneumatic. I have finally settled on a classic BB gun that is just powerful enough to ward off an attacker or give me a little time to escape.
I now present my ideal "tool"...
The Daisy Model 25
350 fps- enough to break skin and also doubles as a hefty club.
It also settles the legal issue with my age. |
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