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pencilvanian
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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 Posted - 11/16/2009 : 19:32:56
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Tungsten as a Gold Substitute
......There are two metals that are suitable, from both a density and economic perspective, for manufacturing fake gold - uranium and tungsten.
These metals aren't without their give-aways either. Different chemical and electro-magnetic properties exist. Uranium is of course radioactive.
Tungsten is extremely brittle - the exact opposite of gold.
Additionally, tungsten has the highest known melting point of any non-alloyed metal at 3422 degrees Celsius, making it difficult to work with. However, it appears that at least one high-temperature furnace is producing gilded tungsten products.
A Chinese company called Chinatungsten is advertising imitation gold merchandise on its website. The following quote is taken directly from their Tungsten Alloy for Gold Substitution page:
"a coin with a tungsten center and gold all around it could not be detected as counterfeit by density measurement alone ... We are well accustomed to exploit more innovative applications of tungsten products. Gold-plated tungsten is one of our main products."
This raises a few (somewhat rhetorical) questions. What kind of customer is this company looking to sell its imitation gold products to and for what purposes are they intended?
Furthermore, what exactly are the "more innovative applications of tungsten products" that this company is hinting at?
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beauanderos
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
2408 Posts |
 Posted - 11/17/2009 : 05:51:39
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you'll learn the answer to that question as soon as the Ron Paul bill passes allowing an audit of the Fed and an accounting of our ostensible gold stocks. It would be right up their alley to reveal a stock of purported gold stores, which of course they will not allow "close" examination of, to quiet the fears of the hard money advocates. How about if they just confiscated all the gold in their safekeeping and replaced it with fakes. When asked for it back and the substitution were discovered, they could deny culpability. Who would be the wiser?  |
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El Dee
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2009 : 09:44:06
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Unfortunately, the Ron Paul bill has been gutted by the North Carolina representative Mel Watt. Busy helping the big banks headquartered in his district, dontcha know.
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Lemon Thrower
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2009 : 12:07:15
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| i can remember getting in a inappropriate languageing match with a guy on here a year ago who was trying to sell these very expensive fake gold coin detectors. they basically measured the width and diameter of a coin and told you what it should weigh. I pointed out that it would not detect a tungsten filled fake and that the technology existed to fake those. He strenuously denied that it could be done. Apparently they use a mechanical process to grind the tungsten into small chips, then salt the gold with the tungsten. they don't actually melt the tungsten and make an alloy becuase that is much harder to do and requires extremely high temperatures. |
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beauanderos
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jadedragon
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Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2009 : 23:21:06
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This article claims there are 640,000 gold plated tungsten 400 oz bars in Fort Knox. Also talks about the Chinese govt finding fake 400 oz bars |
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mickeyman
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Posted - 11/18/2009 : 20:16:49
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Gold Tungsten, future source of fake gold?
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Dang, and the prices were so good, too... Amelican eegulls were going for only $630! 
