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Nickelless
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Posted - 10/31/2009 :  21:59:53  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
I own several food dehydrators that I've been using nearly every day, but I've also started to research freeze-drying and wondered if any of you have had any experience freeze-drying your own food. I've noticed that the prices on freeze-dryers are a bit more expensive than the average consumer-brand dehydrator, but I'm open to the possibility of buying a freeze dryer if it would be more economical and result in a longer-lasting product. Anyone have any personal experience with freeze-drying?


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Posted - 10/31/2009 :  22:43:05  Show Profile Send billo a Private Message
Supposedly you can use a regular freezer? I have my doubts about the quality, but it's interesting:

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Posted - 11/01/2009 :  03:44:12  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
Can't say I'm well-versed yet on the operation of a freeze-dryer, but something just doesn't sound right about those instructions on those links, Billo. The key word here is "dry" and I can't see how using a regular freezer for this process would freeze-dry food in the usual sense of the term. Looking at the moisture condensation in my freezer makes me think this method won't work using just a regular freezer.


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Posted - 11/06/2009 :  20:27:15  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
Andy (Ryedale) commented on this identical thread that I posted on GIM:

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Freeze Drying in commercial applications, such as pharmaceutical, flowers, and larger food operations, are very expensive and quite complex machines, bordering on "extreme machines". They are equipment intensive, expensive to run, and usually quite high tech.
I have worked on pharma grade freeze dryers as part of my refrigeration trade.
I even looked into purchasing a smaller one to do flowers, or food as you suggested.
Heres one on ebay that could be configured for food, taxidermy, or flowers etc.

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Usually they involve whats know as a "cascade" refrigeration arrangement, where you have a High stage and low stage. The high stage rejects the chamber heat to the air around us, but the low stage depends on the high stage to reject it's heat. Getting all these settings right, and keeping the refrigeration cycle from destroying itself is the trick. Ultra low temperatures cause the refrigeration oil to migrate to the cold spot (evaporator) in the low stage, thus starving the compressor of it's needed oil, then "burnout" occours. Repairs are rediculously high if you have to get service done on them, plus you need a tech that understands the complex cycle.
The other two parts of freeze drying 1) is that usually the shelves inside the freeze dryer have a fluid flowing through them, or electric heaters that make the product "relatively" warm with respect to the cold spot of the chamber (for example cold spot of chamber running at -85 C shelves running at -20C, still frozen, but warmer than the low stage evaporator), this flashes off the water (through sublimation), and the water vapor migrates to the cold spot (evaporator of the low stage known as the condenser to the operator of the freeze dryer, because the vapor freezes, or condenses) and freezes to the cold spot.
2) The freeze dry chamber where the food/pharma/flowers are, is under a deep vacuum from a two stage vacuum pump, this acts essentially the opposite of a "pressure cooker" causing the water to sublime/flash/evaporate at a lower temperature (think boiling water, boils at a lower temperature in the mountains where pressure is lower) so in deep vacuum the water vapor sublimes much easier, and migrates to the "condenser" (low stage evaporator).

here is an article that describes it in much more detail, and probably more correctly than I have described.

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For now, $8000 is just a little bit over my budget. I'll just have to stick with dehydrating unless I start doing commercial quantities of food preservation, which I don't foresee myself doing unless I start my own freeze-drying business or I hit the lottery and can afford one of these machines.


Thanks for the info, Andy.


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Edited by - Nickelless on 11/06/2009 20:28:17
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