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Nickelless
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Posted - 09/01/2009 :  22:49:05  Show Profile Send Nickelless a Private Message
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Posted - 09/02/2009 :  01:21:49  Show Profile Send jadedragon a Private Message
It links to Tourney's sorter.

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c140cessna
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Posted - 09/04/2009 :  08:40:43  Show Profile Send c140cessna a Private Message
I'm in the Die Casting industry.....we primarily cast Aluminum. I am familiar with the Zinc-Aluminum alloys and have also researched and experimented a bit with homemade ZA alloys.

BTW: Die Casting means injection of molten alloy into steel dies under high pressures....3000 psi - 15,000 psi.

As for back-yard casting....you can make steel dies.....or a wooden pattern to make impressions in sand cavity halves....and gravity pour the molten alloy.

I'll share some of the most popular alloys:

Zamac #2: 4% Al, 3% Cu, Balance Zinc with trace elements (less than 0.1%)of Iron, Lead, Cadmium, Tin, Nickel

Zamac #3: 4% Al, 1% Cu, Balance Zinc with trace elements.

ZA-8: 8.4% Al, 1% Cu, Balance Zinc with trace elements.

ZA-12: 11% Al, 1% Cu, Balance Zinc with trace elements.

ZA-27: 27% Al, 2% Cu, Balance Zinc with trace elements.

Zamac #3 is the most popular die cast zinc alloy.

The ZA Alloys have superios strength, wear resistance and creep resistance over traditional Zamac.

The ZA alloys have more yield strength than mild steel! Typical mild steel has yield of about 36,000 psi.....ZA-8=41ksi, ZA-12=46ksi, ZA-27=54ksi. Those are all well beyong cast Iron.

ZA alloys are seriously strong alloys.....I love them.

ZA alloys allow complex cast shapes, high production steel dies, and steel part strength at a low cost.

I will for sure hoard Zinc at some point .....probably near $1.80/lb.....zinc is currently about $0.80/lb


Edited by - c140cessna on 09/04/2009 08:52:25
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Kurr
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Posted - 09/04/2009 :  16:20:27  Show Profile Send Kurr a Private Message
Thanks for the alloy info. I have heard that about str in the ZA alloys as well, but isn't it still illegal to melt them for the metal?



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Tourney64
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Posted - 09/05/2009 :  09:05:30  Show Profile Send Tourney64 a Private Message
It is illegal to melt them at this time.
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Cupronickel
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USA
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Posted - 09/05/2009 :  20:24:25  Show Profile Send Cupronickel a Private Message
Something to think about if you're contemplating home casting of zinc alloys. I've talked with plenty of people about "brass chills".
quote:
Metal fume fever also known as brass founders' ague, brass shakes[1], zinc shakes, Galvie Flu, or Monday morning fever[2] is illness caused primarily by exposure to certain metal fumes. Chemicals such as zinc oxide (ZnO) or magnesium oxide (MgO), often cause this through breathing fumes created by heating or welding certain metals, particularly galvanized steel.[3] Chromium[4] is also a hazard, from stainless steel. Cadmium,[5] present in some older silver solder alloys can, in extreme cases, cause loss of consciousness within a matter of minutes. Iron itself, and so most simple steels, does not give rise to it, nor does aluminium.[citation needed]
Symptoms

The symptoms are nonspecific but are generally flu-like including fever, chills, nausea, headache, fatigue, muscle aches, and joint pains. A sweet or metallic taste in the mouth which distorts the taste of food and cigarettes is also normally reported along with a dry or irritated throat which may lead to hoarseness. Symptoms may also include a burning sensation in the body, shock, no urine output, collapse, convulsions, shortness of breath, yellow eyes or yellow skin, rash, vomiting, watery or bloody diarrhea or low blood pressure, which require prompt medical attention.[6] Milder flu-like symptoms will normally disappear within 24 to 48 hours, and someone suffering from metal fume fever will usually feel well enough to return to work the next day, despite the fact that they may still be feeling a little bit under the weather. It often takes 4 days to fully recover.

Cause

Metal fume fever is due to the inhalation of certain metals, either as fine dust or most commonly as fumes. Simple compounds of the metals, such as their oxides, are equally capable of causing it. The effects of particularly toxic compounds, such as nickel carbonyl, are not considered as a mere metal fume fever.

Exposure usually arises through hot metalworking processes, such as smelting and casting of zinc alloys, or welding of galvanized metals. If the metal concerned is particularly high-risk, then cold sanding processes may also cause it, even though the dose is lower. This may also occur with electroplated surfaces or metal-rich anti-corrosion paint, such as cadmium passivated steel or zinc chromate primer on aluminium aircraft parts.

The most plausible mechanism accounting for the symptoms involves an immune reaction which occurs when inhaled metal oxide fumes injure the cells lining the airways. This is thought to modify proteins in the lung. The modified proteins are then absorbed into the bloodstream, where they act as allergens.

Diagnosis

Physical examination findings vary among persons exposed, depending largely upon the stage in the course of the syndrome during which examination occurs. Patients may present with wheezing or crackles in the lungs. They may also have an increased white blood cell count, and urine, blood plasma and skin zinc levels may (unsurprisingly) be elevated. Chest X-ray findings are generally unremarkable.

Diagnosis of metal fume fever can be difficult, as the complaints are non-specific and resemble a number of other common illnesses. When respiratory symptoms are prominent, metal fume fever may be confused with acute bronchitis. The diagnosis is based primarily upon a history of exposure to metal oxide fumes.

An interesting feature of metal fume fever involves rapid adaptation to the development of the syndrome following repeated metal oxide exposure. Workers with a history of recurrent metal fume fever often develop a tolerance to the fumes. This tolerance, however, is transient, and only persists through the work week. After a weekend hiatus, the tolerance has usually disappeared. This phenomenon of tolerance is what led to the name "Monday Fever".

Treatment

Treatment of mild metal fume fever consists of bedrest, and symptomatic therapy (e.g. aspirin for headaches) as indicated.

A traditional remedy is to consume large quantities of milk, either before or after exposure.[1]

Prevention

Prevention of metal fume fever in workers who are at potential risk (such as welders) involves avoidance of direct contact with potentially toxic fumes, improved engineering controls (exhaust ventilation systems), personal protective equipment (respirators), and education of workers regarding the features of the syndrome itself and proactive measures which can be taken to prevent its development.
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jtm3
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Posted - 09/05/2009 :  20:41:13  Show Profile Send jtm3 a Private Message
Thanks for the warning Cupronickel.

But it doesn't seem like it is too serious.
Or permanent?

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Kurr
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Posted - 09/05/2009 :  20:53:07  Show Profile Send Kurr a Private Message
Deadly. Serious in a baaaaaad way.


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He created it. He controls it. He gave it to us for His use. Why did we turn from sound scriptural currency that PROTECTS us?

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The Two Republics: http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/docs/THE_TWO_REPUBLICS.pdf
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jtm3
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USA
187 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2009 :  21:01:30  Show Profile Send jtm3 a Private Message

quote:
Originally posted by Cupronickel


Treatment

Treatment of mild metal fume fever consists of bedrest, and symptomatic therapy (e.g. aspirin for headaches) as indicated.

A traditional remedy is to consume large quantities of milk, either before or after exposure.[1]



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Thats what I missed.
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Cupronickel
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USA
110 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2009 :  20:34:45  Show Profile Send Cupronickel a Private Message
quote:
The ZA alloys have more yield strength than mild steel! Typical mild steel has yield of about 36,000 psi.....ZA-8=41ksi, ZA-12=46ksi, ZA-27=54ksi. Those are all well beyong cast Iron.

Now, I did not know that! The yield point is the amount of force exerted upon a material, that once removed, the material will return to it's original length (assuming axial loading). Go beyond this point and the material will be permanently deformed.

Gray cast irons do not have a defined yield point and very little elongation. They will show very little deformation right up to the point where the tensile strength is exceeded, then they will fail very quickly.

Pulled my share of test bars in my time!
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Kurr
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Posted - 09/06/2009 :  20:45:57  Show Profile Send Kurr a Private Message
What kind of hardness can be expected of these alloys?


The silver [is] mine, and the gold [is] mine, saith the LORD of hosts. Hag 2:8 [/b]
He created it. He controls it. He gave it to us for His use. Why did we turn from sound scriptural currency that PROTECTS us?

KJV Bible w/ Strong's Concordance: http://www.blueletterbible.org/
The book of The Hundreds: http://www.land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/boh/bookOfTheHundreds_v4.1.pdf
The Two Republics: http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/docs/THE_TWO_REPUBLICS.pdf
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Cupronickel
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USA
110 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2009 :  21:21:12  Show Profile Send Cupronickel a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kurr

What kind of hardness can be expected of these alloys?


Quite a range of hardness in the Zamac family of alloys, looks like 98 to 150 Brinell.

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