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jtm3
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 Posted - 07/20/2009 : 15:39:58
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In the event of a nuclear attack if you were to retreat to a bomb shelter, how long would you be able to last or what ways would you be able to prolong your retreat w/o suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning?
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Edited by - Nickelless on 07/20/2009 17:22:28 |
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Nickelless
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Posted - 07/20/2009 : 17:33:49
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| I think in the event of a nuclear attack, carbon monoxide poisoning would be one of the least of your concerns, but let's think about the prospect of a nuclear attack in the first place: What if, say, North Korea launches a nuclear-tipped missile that somehow makes it to the West Coast and successfully detonates a nuclear explosion of Hiroshima magnitude, about 20 kilotons. First, the nuclear blast would have to be successfully targeted--it could hit Los Angeles, or it could hit in the middle of nowhere. Second, think about the "middle of nowhere"--I don't remember figures on exactly how many above-ground nuclear tests the U.S. conducted through the mid-1960s, but it was in relatively remote areas, i.e., military testing grounds--the issue wasn't the blast site per se but fallout downwind. Third, since the bigger problem was fallout downwind from a particular blast site, the problem was more widespread but diffused--more people over a larger area are likely to develop thyroid cancer than to be caught in a cloud of radioactive debris near ground zero after a blast. So to make a long story short, the problem isn't the blast, it's the aftermath. I think there are much more likely disasters and/or forms of terror attacks that might occur, and if a successful nuclear explosion does occur on U.S. soil, carbon monoxide poisoning in your bomb shelter is probably going to be the least of your worries. |
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pencilvanian
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Posted - 07/20/2009 : 18:15:30
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While I dislike posting products that are for sale that are not offered by members or are metals related, I will do so here to give you an idea of what to look for if you want one for your own shelter-
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(What a suprise, there is an outfit that offers bomb shelter equipment for sale. I had thought such companies went out of business when the Soviet Union collapsed,shows how wrong I was.) |
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Nickelless
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Posted - 07/20/2009 : 20:11:31
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| From a purely philosophical perspective, though, is it better to be safe in a bunker with no world left to go to when the fallout finally settles, or to be part of a bigger community helping each other when the Pu hits the fan? But again, going back to my post above, the odds are much greater of developing cancer from downwind radiation than being killed outright by a nuclear blast, so is it worth the time and expense to build a nuclear bomb shelter? For that matter, you can prepare for every contingency possible but still get infected by drug-resistant staph and die in your bunker. The bottom line is, are reasonable people going to make reasonable preparations to deal with the most likely disaster scenarios they might encounter, or are they going to be so busy protecting themselves from EVERYTHING that they remain a prisoner of fear the rest of their lives? |
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 07/21/2009 : 18:49:34
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If it goes "nukular", (and we get any warning), I'm driving as fast as I can towards the nearest likely target.
I don't think I'd want to survive a few weeks or months as my hair and teeth fall out, while I bleed out of every orifice, and can't keep any food down. 
Just a thought..... hey, I'm here to spread the sunshine ya know.
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jtm3
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Posted - 07/21/2009 : 19:18:52
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Actually thats not a bad idea, and an inexpensive solution!  |
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Posted - 07/21/2009 : 19:24:09
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Originally posted by Nickelless
From a purely philosophical perspective, though, is it better to be safe in a bunker with no world left to go to when the fallout finally settles, or to be part of a bigger community helping each other when the Pu hits the fan? .....deal with the most likely disaster scenarios they might encounter, or are they going to be so busy protecting themselves from EVERYTHING that they remain a prisoner of fear the rest of their lives?
Forget about the safety of a bunker, spend your time helping others. Neighbors, friends, and people in need are going to need assistance. I will not become a prisoner of fear. That's no way to live your life, either today or during the nuclear scenario. I plan to live my life in freedom, even if my life is to be cut short. Under the nuclear scenario, let us have the courage of the founders of this nation as Benjamin Franklin said, "We must hang together, gentlemen .. else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." |
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jtm3
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Posted - 07/21/2009 : 20:48:05
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Well it seems I'm getting railed on so let me put out another scenario.
While looking at bomb shelters and related stuff online the other day I read some stories of people during world war 2 dieing of carbon monoxide poisoning after debris falling on the exit(s) of the shelter and they became trapped
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Nickelless
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Posted - 07/21/2009 : 23:00:51
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Don't forget entertainment as well: 
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But back to your post, JTM3... How likely is it that a bomb shelter will be necessary at any given point in a particular place? London had bomb shelters during World War 2 because the city was a major target for German forces. People had bomb shelters during the Cold War because if the world had exploded into all-out nuclear war, people needed a place to stay until the fallout subsided. But we're in an altogether different situation now--while the threat of nuclear war still exists, it's much more likely that terrorists would explode a "dirty bomb" and disperse radioactive material in a smaller area and create more fear than actual danger. Personally, I wouldn't worry about a bomb shelter unless your city was getting directly hit by bombs, and that hasn't happened on the U.S. mainland anytime in U.S. history. |
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horgad
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Posted - 07/22/2009 : 10:25:53
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A shelter needs a ventilation system and a back-up ventilation system. There is no need to seal yourself in a bubble. The fallout radiation (radiation being emitted by air borne debris) is easily stopped with even a mediocre air filter. Other radiation (radiation that is currently radiating) is simply stopped by concrete and dirt. Also having a radiation free food and water supply would be a high priority.
So you need "clean" food, "clean" water, filtered air (power supply to run fans), and a concrete and/or dirt barrier and you are go until one of those runs out.
Oh and a shovel and pick to dig yourself is always a good idea.
"Since the most dangerous fallout has the consistency of sand or finely ground pumice, a successful fallout shelter need not filter fine dust from air."
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jtm3
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Posted - 07/22/2009 : 13:11:39
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I live less than 50 miles from D.C. which seems like a good target to hit to me.
Maybe I should get a PlayStation 3 for the shelter.
By the way i dont have one now as an all-out Nuclear war doesn't seem that likely. |
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Cupronickel
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Posted - 07/22/2009 : 19:27:25
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| Google "Kearny Air Pump". KI ain't gonna save your ass, I-131 is a very small fraction of fission products. It's a good thing to have on hand, but not a cure-all for rad poisoning. |
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redneck
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Posted - 07/23/2009 : 07:33:13
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snappy
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Posted - 07/23/2009 : 10:05:55
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Originally posted by pencilvanian
(What a suprise, there is an outfit that offers bomb shelter equipment for sale. I had thought such companies went out of business when the Soviet Union collapsed,shows how wrong I was.)
There are other uses for bomb shelters. storm shelter, dry storage for items (food,misc), extra bed room for mother inlaw, a fort for kids to play in... lots of uses. |
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