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Bluegill
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daviscfad
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 06/20/2009 : 14:11:26
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Nickelless
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USA
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 Posted - 06/20/2009 : 17:08:18
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Originally posted by Bluegill
I think this is the proper section. This is Nickelless' forte so I'll let him decide. 
Thanks for posting these links, Bluegill. This is the perfect place to post them.
My two cents on some of the comments in the articles: My SHTF philosophy has been evolving from one of bugging out when the S does HTF to now thinking it's more prudent to be prepared to fight with the three P's: pitchforks, prayer and Pb (lead). When I first joined this board about two and a half years ago, still being a newbie with regard to having a preparedness mindset, I started off putting together plans on where and how I would bug out if and when the occasion warrranted it. Since that time, though, I've been able to take a good long look at the big picture and have concluded that, dangit, this is MY COUNTRY and MY COMMUNITY and I'm not about to roll over and bow to the whims of the people who want to destroy this country for short-term gain or for more malicious purposes. I'm going to go on living my life right where I'm at but I'm going to do everything I can right where I'm at to live sensibly and to prepare for hard times. And I don't have to move an inch. I'm not going to let fear guide my plans and I'm not going to let evil people dictate what course of action I take in taking care of my family, friends and community. I'm going to live sensibly right where I'm at, have everything I need in this community I love among people I love, and if those people with malicious intent don't like it, hopefully by the time they come knocking, enough of the other people in my community will be thinking the same way I am and will be ready to break out the pitchforks and guns if that's what it takes to keep our country from being destroyed. I'm not preparing to run. I'm preparing to make those people who hate us run. |
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jadedragon
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Posted - 06/20/2009 : 21:06:03
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I take another approuch. I see myself as a citizen of the world who happens to live in Canada right now. It's my world and I (not some government) will decide where I and my family live, work, go to school, pay taxes and retire. I consider it an asset to gain the right to reside in multiple countries, very helpful to have multiple passports, and prudent to keep all options open.
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Nickelless
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Posted - 06/22/2009 : 22:56:15
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Here's a great post I just saw on SurvivalBlog with thoughts on the importance of staying put WTSHTF when everyone else is bugging out. I think this person makes some great points:
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Dear SurvivalBlog Readers:
I want to preface my comments by saying that I have the utmost respect for JWR, his work, and all the readers and contributors to this site. I understand and hold close the essential tenets of independence and preparedness, living as I have my whole life in the heart of Southern California earthquake country.
That said, the recent string of essays about escaping a city when TSHTF is complete nonsense. The thought that if you get out early you’ll leave everyone else behind is fantasy thinking. The fact is that in such a situation just about everyone will be thinking about getting out and many will act on that impulse. That means that EVERY freeway, EVERY back road, EVERY intersection, and EVERY town will soon be filled with hoards of roaming people, all of whom will be unprepared, scared, and desperate. You might – MIGHT – actually get a jump the situation and beat the hoards out of the city but a human tidal wave will be right behind you, spreading out in all directions, many thousands of which will be heading right to wherever it is you’re going.
Further, a good percentage of the roaming hoards will be street criminals and gang members. Many will be military vets who had advanced training in tactics and equipment and they’ll all be heavily armed – in many cases, better equipped than the local law enforcement. In the short-to-medium timeframe, these groups will be the most dangerous threat and sooner or later they’ll be coming to your hideout. I don’t care how many rounds of ammo you’re carrying on the way or how much you’ve got stashed if you actually make it to your refuge. No matter how much you’ve got it won’t be enough, especially if you get in a firefight with a group that’s shooting back with high caliber, armor-piercing ordnance. And let’s not forget about the really heavy stuff – RPGs or plain old dynamite that they’ll find along the way. If you look like you’ve got equipment and food, you’re going to be a target, simple as that.
JWR is right – the safest strategy is to move away now and get established long before the crisis hits, preferably far enough away that it’s just too difficult for city hordes to get to you. (A tip of my hat to Frank B – 15 miles from the nearest asphalt road.) You’ll still be in danger from unprepared locals and groups that do make it out to the frontier but the farther away and better prepared the better.
Meanwhile, what about the millions of us who can’t relocated and are stuck in the cities? After 30 years of survival thinking related to earthquake preparedness I determined that the only effective strategy is to stay put and lay low. Don’t fire up your generator, blast your radio, and light up your house will the oil lamps you so carefully stashed for just the very event. In fact, leave all your survival equipment stashed for a couple of days until the first big wave of refugees passes by. Camouflage your place and your family to look like you’re destitute – that you have nothing, just like everyone else. With a bit of luck, the hordes will pass you by and you can then join up with neighbors, pool your equipment and resources, and develop a defense strategy. Meanwhile, whatever governmental resources exist will be directed at the cities first so there’s a likelihood that some form of law enforcement will be imposed. It’s the rural areas that will be the most lawless and there won’t be anybody out there to help enforce the peace, at least not for a very long time. Once the peace is secured in your city you can implement your long-term strategies of off-grid living, food production, bartering, and practical skills - machinery repair, welding, auto and home maintenance - that will always be in demand.
One final thought – as mentioned so often on the site, survival skills have a very steep learning curve and there is no substitute for hands-on experience and training. Read the books but then go practice! Can you find, set up, and operate your equipment in the pitch dark at 3 AM? If you’ve had a beer of two? Can your spouse, if you’re hurt? Can your kids if you’re not home? Have you ever eaten freeze-dried food? Can you take down and repair the Coleman stove? Bake biscuits? Operate a chain saw? Jury-rig a DC power cable from the car battery to your living space? Successful preparedness means that you continually ask – and answer – such questions. - Patrick C. in Southern California
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Lemon Thrower
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 06/29/2009 : 08:54:27
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another good resource is escapeartist.com for info on relocating to various other countries.
make sure you have a passport now. look into getting a passport from a 2nd country.
if you ever thought about relocating to another country, this would be a good time. if the dollar collapses, there could be civil war and it would be too late. you most certainly would lose your job. |
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Nickelless
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USA
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Posted - 06/29/2009 : 09:02:22
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| I'm sending out my passport application this week, but I don't see myself relocating unless things get really, really bad. Like I said above, I've come to the conclusion that this is MY country, and I'll be danged if TPTB are going to take it from me. I might detest the government at any point in time, but governments can and should change--and the only way the government will change is if people who love this country stand their ground from within to defend their country from the government. |
Visit my new preparedness site: Preparedness.cc/SurvivalPrep.net
--Latest article: Stocking up on spices to keep food preps lively
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Be prepared...and prepared to help: http://www.survivalblog.com/charity.html
Are you ready spiritually for hard times? http://www.jesusfreak.com/rapture.asp |
Edited by - Nickelless on 06/29/2009 09:04:25 |
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theo
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 06/29/2009 : 11:37:56
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I guess the question I have is where would we go?
Canada? I haven't been up there in a number years, but I get the impression that they won't be much better off than we are. Perhaps our Canadian members can comment on this.
Switzerland? Its considered a bastion of freedom, peace and security in a sea of European socialist chaos. I don't know the specifics but I'm pretty sure the Swiss are dependent on their neighbors for various resources; such as oil and probably wood, coal and natural gas. Also, considering how mountainous their country is, I'm not sure they can completely feed themselves. In some ways a currency collapse may be harder on Europe than the U.S.
The Caymans? (or any other island paradise) Sure they are great places to be now, but what happens when the supply ships from the mainland stop? I spent a week in Bermuda several years ago and it was my impression that the island would not be able to support its growing population (excluding tourists) without support from the outside.
Also, even if you do find a suitable bug out location, whose to say that the locals will accept you. If society deteriorates I would think that distrust and hostility toward outsiders would be the norm.
Basically I agree with Nickless that, in most cases, a home field advantage will increase our chances of getting through the tough times ahead. |
Edited by - theo on 06/29/2009 11:38:44 |
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