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Gr33nday43
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Uzbekistan
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 Posted - 03/22/2009 : 20:55:36
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I went to a pretty nice coin show yesterday and picked up a couple of Morgans and am pretty sure of my grading but want to be sure. I'm new to numismatics so I'd appreciate it if you gave your opinion.
Thanks in advance,
Taylor.
1881 S MS61?
1904 S VF?
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barrytrot
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Posted - 03/23/2009 : 08:39:14
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Your images aren't really big enough to fully grade, but from the picture your top coin looks more like MS65+. I don't see a single cheek mark that you normally would see on a lower level coin. If the coin is really like that then you got a really good coin!
Edit: I do now see a very small scratch on the back. If that is on the coin and not holder that would lower it down a bit. Still, with the picture as presented the obverse looks flawless and only 1 blemish on the back, although if it is a deep scratch that could yield "ungradeable" by many grading companies.
The other coin, from the picture looks to be dramatically cleaned.
I think you need better pictures honestly. Take them out of the flips to do so, and get at least 2x magnification. |
Edited by - barrytrot on 03/23/2009 08:45:29 |
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just carl
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Posted - 03/23/2009 : 10:07:33
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| First on about MS-62 unless the plastic cover is making it difficult to really see the coin. Second one too should be taken out of the plastic to properly see details. Might be cleaned although rugh guess is about EF to AU. |
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Gr33nday43
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Posted - 03/23/2009 : 17:03:27
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Gr33nday43
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Posted - 03/23/2009 : 17:04:48
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Gr33nday43
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 03/23/2009 : 17:06:57
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Gr33nday43
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 03/23/2009 : 17:09:41
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Sorry but I couldn't take any separate pictures. I borrowed my friend's camera to take these so it will be a while until I can take more. I hope these help you. Also; the guy I bought the first morgan from said it was graded by ANACS as ms62 but the slab cracked and he was forced to break it open. Also, how can you determine if a coin has been cleaned? I know about the polish marks but there are none on that 1904 s. |
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kieblera5
Penny Hoarding Member
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Posted - 03/24/2009 : 11:38:03
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If a coin has been cleaned, you can see small amounts of the original tarnish in hard to reach places like the inside or the 0 or around the letters. Based on the pics, it doesn't look cleaned from here... It is usually pretty obvious, unless the person did a very good job of cleaning. |
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just carl
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Posted - 03/24/2009 : 11:41:21
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Sorry but I couldn't take any separate pictures. I borrowed my friend's camera to take these so it will be a while until I can take more. I hope these help you. Also; the guy I bought the first morgan from said it was graded by ANACS as ms62 but the slab cracked and he was forced to break it open. Also, how can you determine if a coin has been cleaned? I know about the polish marks but there are none on that 1904 s.
First of all if your going to believe what a seller of a coin tells you, then let me know. I would like to sell my Empire State Building and cheap too.  IF, and probably a big IF, that was true he would have given you the broken slab. Did he? It does appear as a MS-62 but if it was graded and slabbed, why not give you the broken slab?
As to cleaned coins. Some times it is really tuff to tell and people just end up guessing. In the case of the sescond coin, note that for a coin with that much wear it must have been around somewhere. Dirt of some kind would have gotten in small places like inside numbers and letters where dirt accumulates. Inside an o or d or e, etc. Note on that coin there is absolutely no dirt of any kind anywhere.
This would mean that everyone that ever handled it had clean hands, clean clothing, clean house, clean everything all the time. A little improbably. Normally even an Acetone dip would not clean a coin that much though.
With coins in MS grades it becomes more difficult to note cleaning since it is usually so new there is less chances of dirt accumulation. |
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Gr33nday43
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 03/24/2009 : 20:20:41
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The reason I believe him is because he is really trustworthy...he helps me out and gives me great deals a lot. When I first started he was selling me 90% at 9.5X because that was what he was buying it at and was he amazed that at my age I was investing in silver. I know ANACS overgrades coins and it has a lot of contact marks so that is why I thought it may be a 61.
So, I've got two people giving me different opinions. If any other knowledgeable people could give me their opinion as well it would be appreciated. Let's assume that it was cleaned. I don't think so but would this take much value away from the coin? I bought it for $75. Is there a possibility it was relatively clean and an acetone dip got rid of the rest of the dirt? |
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CoinHunter53562
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 03/24/2009 : 20:42:07
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Hard to say without seeing them in person, but the 1881 seems to show some light wear on the high points of the obverse (eyebrow, above ear, two points on the cap) so it makes it hard to give it a full MS. The reverse looks nice MS from what I can tell. So I would guestimate AU-58 obverse, MS-63 reverse. A net MS-60/61 seems pretty close.
For the 1904, the obverse looks to be about VF-20 or maybe a hair better; while the reverse seems to be VF-20. I cant tell 100% if it has been cleaned or not but it does have a somewhat odd looking color. That might be just the lighting or my monitor though. So I would say net VF-20 is fair. |
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Gr33nday43
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Uzbekistan
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Posted - 03/24/2009 : 21:32:34
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Thanks a lot everyone for the help...feel free to add more details if you wish.
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daviscfad
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 03/24/2009 : 22:42:17
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| Well i would say if you grade the 1904 VF-20 its been cleaned. No coin that grades that low should be blast white like that. It has defiantly been tampered with and is worn some on the hairlines. The other to me looks to be an MS coin |
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Edited by - daviscfad on 03/24/2009 22:44:20 |
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