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Bluegill
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Delawhere Jack
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 Posted - 01/22/2009 : 22:10:58
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He is not a natural citizen, and he is not African American. His FATHERS' birth certificate states that he is "Arab", not Kenyan. His father was in fact 7/8th's Arab, 1/8th African.
Barack's grandmother was recorded stating that she was present at his birth, in KENYA.
It goes on and on, but since we have not had a legitimate government for close to two decades now, it doesn't really make much difference.
Five executive orders in three days, and he's just getting warmed up.
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Tourney64
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Posted - 01/23/2009 : 07:42:02
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I agree with you Delawhere Jack.
At first I didn’t believe what I was reading on the Internet about Barack Obama (BO), regarding his citizenship in the US. I started investigating more and more, trying to keep an open mind about everything. My conclusion is there is no way he is a Natural Born Citizen, and therefore does not qualify for POTUS. There is even some question as to whether he is even a citizen of the US. There are too many facts that have been hidden by BO.
1. He has had his original birth certificate sealed in Hawaii, which provides more details regarding his birth, like the hospital he was born at and doctors and witnesses. Hawaii allowed non-citizens to get Certificates of Live birth until 1970 even though they weren’t born there. The original vault certificate would prove whether he really was born in Hawaii. BO had the document sealed.
2. Several people from Kenya have said he was born there and they are planning on having a historical marker where he was born.
3. His father was not a US Citizen, which automatically disqualifies BO, as both parents must be US citizens at the time of birth. Should an illegal alien pregnant female cross the border and give birth to a child, that child would not be a Natural Born Citizen under the law. Read the history of the presidents,, with regard to this requirement.
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4. He was adopted by an Indonesian man and his name was changed to Barry Soetoro, when he moved to Indonesia and went to school. Only Indonesian citizens could attend school in Indonesia at the time due to budget issues. In one of his books there are documents showing his name as Barry Soetoro, and his citizenship was Indonesian. Upon immigrating back to the US 7 years later, he would have become a naturalized citizen, even if he had originally born here, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted.
5. He later went to US schools and universities and received scholarships. There is some question as to what his citizenship was declared on these scholarships. Unfortunately he has had all his school records sealed, and won’t make them public like John McCain did during the election.
6. He went to Pakistan and Indonesia when 20 and he couldn’t have gone to Pakistan on a US passport, since the US had a travel ban there and Pakistan did not allow US citizens. There are no US Visa records indicating he travelled there, so there is a high possibility he travelled on Indonesian citizenship, which means he definitely lost all US citizenship.
7. There is no record he ever changed his name back to Barack Obama from Barry Soetoro. He did falsify his Selective Service registration and his Bar Certificate by stating he never had any other name except Barack Obama.
8. He has spent over $1MM fighting to keep all of his past documents hidden, instead of spending the $15 to release his birth certificate. Not a very smart financial decision, yet we will put 100% trust in his financial decisions with the country’s entire Treasury. There are numerous lawsuits challenging his eligibility, but unfortunately no court wants to touch the lawsuits possibly due to the sensitive nature if the truth comes out. So far every lawsuit has been dismissed, not based on the true merits of the cases, but because the court claims that no citizen can bring this type of lawsuit. Why spend all that money trying to hide the truth? No real trial has taken place. There is a lawuit by presidential candidate - Alan Keyes, which looks promising and may get behind the real truth. He currently has a supeona for his collegiate records at Occidental College, which may prove he attended using a scholarship as an Indonesian citizen.
But wait, didn't he post a Birth Certificate on his web site? - It was not a birth certificate, it was a Certificate of Live Birth, which is different. I have also personally downloaded directly from his Barak's own web site, the document he posted. I used a HexEditor (download one for free) to look at the code behind the image and it indicates it was edited with Photoshop Editor.
Didn't the State of Hawaii indicate the Birth Certificate was real? NO, they didn't. They indicated they had an original document in their vault, and that was it.
Doesn't someone check these people out before they get on the ballot? - NO, they don't. - On the POTUS ballot in numerous states was a man named Roger Calero - he is here with a green card, and not even a legal US citizen and also a convicted drug felon. What if he had won the election?
If he stops hiding the truth and he truly is eligible to hold the office, I will change my view, but until then he is just Acting POTUS.
Regarding Exectutive Orders, the history of them is they are used for severe emergency actions, that bypass congress due to the significant emergency, that can't wait. He has used 5 already. How would you feel if he issued an executive order for everyone to turn in all their gold and silver for greenbacks, without any discussion in congress? It's a clear abuse of power. Here's the historical count info on Executive Orders:
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Kurr
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horgad
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Posted - 01/25/2009 : 11:31:01
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It is well documented that Obama's parents were students in Hawaii at the time of his birth. It is true that Obama probably has three citizenships, but there is little doubt that he an American. If it walks like duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck, chances are it is a duck.
You think his mom and dad took a break from school and flew to Kenya so they could birth him there? Really, there is no sense in it. What exactly would their motive be for doing that?
I think the fact that he has three citizenships really bothers some people...yet it was not in his control as it all came about from his birth and childhood.
Anyhow there is lots of good reasons to dislike Obama...like the fact that his policies are as likely to continue the destruction of the dollar as Bush's were... |
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fb101
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Posted - 01/25/2009 : 12:06:57
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| Actually, what I strongly object to is the effort to hide the truth whatever it might be. If he's legal, fine. But as a citizen and a taxpayer, I have an right to know. |
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Tourney64
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Posted - 01/25/2009 : 12:28:01
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| Horgad, read points 3 & 6. Kenyan birth is only one possible reason he is not eligible. When he was born it was summer break. |
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goodcents
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Posted - 01/25/2009 : 15:50:19
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If the guy was innocent and a naturalized citizen at birth don't you think he would have released the original birth certificate?? Ya'd think so. He's got it sealed with enough legal red tape fighting the lawsuits off that I'm sure we'd never hear the truth until after he's out of office in 4 years...lol.
last time I checked imitation crab meat, smelled, looked and even tasted like crab meat.. |
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Neckro
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Posted - 01/25/2009 : 15:52:23
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Originally posted by goodcents
last time I checked imitation crab meat, smelled, looked and even tasted like crab meat..
But it's made from Fish. =D |
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goodcents
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Posted - 01/25/2009 : 16:49:10
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| either one puts a bad taste in my mouth...lol. |
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Bluegill
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Posted - 01/25/2009 : 18:19:59
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I would imagine if the Supreme Court finds in him not eligible to be President, his inauguration would be invalid. His orders would not be valid and can not be legally followed by anyone.
That would make Biden President.
If he refused to obey Biden would have the U.S. Marshal's escort him out of the white house.
Of course that is in a world where the Constitution is the law of the land. Not a decorative wall hanging.
The people who really run this country, the Rockefellers, Rothschild’s, Bilderburg’s, et al, have spent a lot of effort on their puppet. Rest assured they have this under control. He will stay there until the PTB no longer needs him there.
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horgad
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Posted - 01/26/2009 : 13:20:23
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Originally posted by Tourney64
Horgad, read points 3 & 6. Kenyan birth is only one possible reason he is not eligible. When he was born it was summer break.
As to point 3: I did a little digging yesterday just for "fun". As I understand it the confusion is because the constitution uses an undefined term "natural born citizen" in the requirements to be president. Because the term was not originally defined, what it means has been open to debate. In court cases over the years its meaning has been interpreted differently.
Anyhow I think it is silly to think that if a US mother travels abroad for a short span of time and births a child that the courts would decide that the child is not a US citizen. It just denies common sense and that is assuming the people attacking Obama are correct when they say that Obama was not born here.
As to point 6: it is very difficult to rid yourself of US citizenship. Remember they are most tax oppressive regime in the world. Getting a second or in this case third citizenship does not relieve you of your US citizenship and tax obligations.
I maintain that Obama has three citizenships:
1. US, because either he was born here or because of his mother's citizenship (take your pick)
2. Kenyan, because of his father
3. Indonesian, because of his 4 year residency there (ages 7 to 11) and his step-fathers efforts in pushing the papers through
Also, if anybody cares, Obama's grandfather signed up after Pearl Harbor and fought under Patton while his grandmother worked in an assembly line helping to build bombers.
So he has spent 40 of his 44 years in the US and his relatives helped fight for our cause in WW II. On the other side, he saw his Kenyan dad once after he was 2 years old and his step-dad made him move to Indonesia for 4 years when he was a young child.
Given that, IMHO, Obama is by far more of an American than he is an Indonesian or Kenyan no matter what technicalities or BS people try and stick to him. And I am guessing that he finds the attacks extremely insulting as would anyone who had been raised (beyond their control) under similar circumstances.
Also, I am no raving Obama fan -- I am watching him with the same critical, cynical eye that I view all politicians with and I don't tend to shy away from conspiracy theories, but I am not buying this line. |
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Bluegill
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Posted - 01/26/2009 : 19:18:41
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He either is or isn't eligible to be President. Rules are rules. He was asked a straight forward question. The Citizens deserve and have a right to a straight forward answer.
For someone who claims to be a "Constitutional expert", and for someone who claims to want "transparency" in government, his behavior on this one is inexcusable.
We all know damn well if everything was on the up and up, he would have provided what ever was needed to answer this question. He is hiding something...
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Tourney64
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Posted - 01/26/2009 : 19:37:46
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Obama is not a "natural born citizen" because his father was a Kenyan national and a British subject. To be a natural born citizen, a person's parents must BOTH be citizens of the United States of America. Further, that person must be born in the United States.
Obama is a "citizen" because his mother was an American citizen. There are question about his birthplace and whether he was naturalized after his period of time as an Indonesian citizen.
Horgad - There is a big difference between Natural Born Citizen and US citizenship. I agree with you that he had 2 citizenships. British citizenship at time of birth, and if he was born in the US as he claims, then US citizenship. His mother who was a US citizen, was a minor when he was born, and if Obama was born outside the US, then he would not have US citizenship.
When Britain released their ownership of Kenya, the British citizenship changed to Kenyan.
Obama may be American, but he is not a Natural Born Citizen.
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El Dee
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Posted - 01/27/2009 : 12:12:39
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What this illustrates is the contempt toward the Constitution by the public, and by the political class generally. Most of the extra-constitutional stuff being forced on us in the name of rescuing the economy would make our founding fathers blanch.
Today the Constitution is merely a hindrance, an anachronism, something to be thwarted and stepped around. Granny says he was born in Kenya? She oughta know. That's why Kenya claims BHO as their own, no? Who cares - it's just an irrelevant thing - just a legalistic constraint. Say the Constitution states that you must be no more than 6'1" tall to be President, and BHO was 6'2". His grandfather joined up after Pearl Harbor and screwed fuses into the nose of shells, so it makes it all OK, right?
Look for Arnold to try to run for President in 2012. Maybe he's not a natural born citizen, but in his heart he is. |
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Tourney64
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Posted - 01/27/2009 : 12:58:05
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| I'd like to see Obama scream foul if Arnold tried to run in 2012. Constitution has been severely damaged by SCOTUS ignoring these eligibility cases. |
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Kurr
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Posted - 01/27/2009 : 13:24:48
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IMHO once again, If you are an American Citizen then you should have no other citizenship. You assimilate. Natural born I think is so a man can't get to xx age and say to himself, hey I am or was this or that, and owe them something. Remeber that part Pres. Washington said about entangling alliances in his farewell speech?
I heard that Ahh-nold is a dual citizen too, if so, I am against him as well. Especially in ANY political position.
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The silver [is] mine, and the gold [is] mine, saith the LORD of hosts. Hag 2:8 [/b]
He created it. He controls it. He gave it to us for His use. Why did we turn from sound scriptural currency that PROTECTS us?
KJV Bible w/ Strong's Concordance: http://www.blueletterbible.org/
The book of The Hundreds: http://www.land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/boh/bookOfTheHundreds_v4.1.pdf
The Two Republics: http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/docs/THE_TWO_REPUBLICS.pdf
Good reading: http://ecclesia.org/truth/government.html
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Tourney64
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Posted - 01/27/2009 : 14:38:14
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| That's the way the founders of this country wanted it. |
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