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moboman
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Posted - 12/28/2008 :  13:21:46  Show Profile Send moboman a Private Message
I bought a NGC first strikes Gem Uncirculated $5 gold AGE this morning. It does not have a grade, it only says GEM Uncirculated.
What does it mean when it doesnt have a grade? Does this mean it's MS-69 instead of 70?


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fb101
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Posted - 12/28/2008 :  14:47:15  Show Profile Send fb101 a Private Message
Call NGC and ask

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PreservingThePast
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Posted - 12/28/2008 :  16:37:06  Show Profile Send PreservingThePast a Private Message
Beautiful!!!
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 12/28/2008 :  19:20:54  Show Profile Send NotABigDeal a Private Message
I have some first strikes. I've been lead to believe that it is a BS marketing scheme. I would expect it to be MS69. Hopefully it is a 70 though. I agree with fb101, call them.

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fb101
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Posted - 12/28/2008 :  19:37:54  Show Profile Send fb101 a Private Message
Actually NGC recently lost a lawsuit based on the marketing of "first strike" designations as having an increased value because of it. On one hand, it certainly is BS, but in the other hand this is a "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" market. If someone wants to collect first strikes, they certainly can, just as they collect early release, die varieties, or error coins. I personally would not pay a penny more for a first strike. I have the NGC docs and can submit directly, and I have an understanding that there is something about the strike from a new die that can be differentiated from a die used XX?? times, and that is how they base the designation. I suppose you need an electron microscope to tell the difference though...

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moboman
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Posted - 12/28/2008 :  22:32:46  Show Profile Send moboman a Private Message
So I typed in the registry number for NGC and it claims the coin is ms-65, but then showed a population of 0 ms-65. I dont know if I'm reading it wrong or what.

Either way, great coin for the price.

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just carl
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Posted - 12/31/2008 :  17:00:19  Show Profile Send just carl a Private Message
quote:
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 19:20:54
I have some first strikes. I've been lead to believe that it is a BS marketing scheme. I would expect it to be MS69. Hopefully it is a 70 though. I agree with fb101, call them.
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As noted. This has been all over the coin forums about the scam of saying a coin is first strike.
Actually when you think about it that pharse is a joke in itself. Just who is standing there to grab the first coins minted? Who can verify that a coin was the first one minted? Why would the Mint allow someone to stand there waiting for the first strike coins? if there was such a thing as selling the first strike coins, don't you think the Mint itself would be marketing them? Are the first coins of any kind stamped with a number? All way to silly to even think you have a REAL first strike coin.
I too purchased a few of them but full well knew that it was a scam but had to have one anyway. Sort of like having the last coin minted in a series. Yeah, right! Now which one is that?

Carl
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