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TexasPQ
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 Posted - 09/02/2008 : 18:18:12
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The more I learn about Palin the less I like her.
Yes she is "young and pretty" and can serve as a counter balance to the tired old man, but there are a lot of unresolved issues.
I've read articles indicating that she racked up a massive amount of debt for the small town she was the mayor of before becoming governor. Turned zero dollars of debt into 20 million dollars in debt in just a few years. That sounds just like W's version of fiscal responsibility.
More disturbing are allegations that she initiated a retaliatory termination of a state employee who refused to use his position to intervene on Palin's behalf in a family affair. It is a pending investigation but things like that make me worried.
To me those are the real issues here (along with the whole lack of experience thing). I could care less what is going on with her kid but, predictably, that's all the media was talking about yesterday..
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Nickelless
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Posted - 09/03/2008 : 00:25:21
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Originally posted by TexasPQ
The more I learn about Palin the less I like her.
Yes she is "young and pretty" and can serve as a counter balance to the tired old man, but there are a lot of unresolved issues.
I've read articles indicating that she racked up a massive amount of debt for the small town she was the mayor of before becoming governor. Turned zero dollars of debt into 20 million dollars in debt in just a few years. That sounds just like W's version of fiscal responsibility.
More disturbing are allegations that she initiated a retaliatory termination of a state employee who refused to use his position to intervene on Palin's behalf in a family affair. It is a pending investigation but things like that make me worried.
To me those are the real issues here (along with the whole lack of experience thing). I could care less what is going on with her kid but, predictably, that's all the media was talking about yesterday..
Sarah Palin isn't running for president. Heaven knows that there are enough of us out here who've been VERY surprised that Dick Cheney has lived through nearly an entire two terms as VP, and pretty much all of us can guess that he's been a heavy hitter behind the scenes, but constitutionally speaking, Cheney has not been the president. John McCain will be the heavy lifter should he be elected president, but I don't think any of us should necessarily worry that he'll die in office and leave us with a young, untested president who is serving under a cloud of ethics concerns--as if the Dems' PRESIDENTIAL candidate has allayed fears of his own connections and lack of experience. Sarah Palin may or may not be squeaky clean, but she's not the one running for the Oval Office. And I'm not about to vote for an untested senator for Illinois who ran for the Senate just so he could run for president. |
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 09/03/2008 : 06:26:08
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And I'm not about to vote for an untested senator for Illinois who ran for the Senate just so he could run for president.
Exactly. Well said.
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knibloe
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Posted - 09/03/2008 : 07:56:35
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And I'm not about to vote for an untested senator for Illinois who ran for the Senate just so he could run for president.
Exactly. Well said.
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Posted - 09/03/2008 : 08:28:18
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fb101
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Posted - 09/06/2008 : 21:10:59
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Latest thing on the news is that the Democrats are demanding she take DNA tests to prove that her baby is hers, not her daughters.
Interesting - Her daughter is 7 months pregnant and the baby is 6 months old, So the daughter was one month pregnant with child #2 when #1 was born. I think I see how fiscal policy will work if the democrats win. |
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 09/06/2008 : 22:20:30
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Latest thing on the news is that the Democrats are demanding she take DNA tests to prove that her baby is hers, not her daughters.
Interesting - Her daughter is 7 months pregnant and the baby is 6 months old, So the daughter was one month pregnant with child #2 when #1 was born. I think I see how fiscal policy will work if the democrats win.
That actually made me laugh. Funny. If this is the worst the Dem.'s can muster against her it is all but over.
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Nickelless
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Posted - 09/06/2008 : 22:25:13
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Originally posted by fb101
Latest thing on the news is that the Democrats are demanding she take DNA tests to prove that her baby is hers, not her daughters.
Interesting - Her daughter is 7 months pregnant and the baby is 6 months old, So the daughter was one month pregnant with child #2 when #1 was born. I think I see how fiscal policy will work if the democrats win.
What's with the Dems' obsession with DNA?
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moboman
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Posted - 09/09/2008 : 00:49:05
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| I was at a family picnic Saturday. I was talking with some of the "older" people there. They all seem very impressed with Sarah Palin. They said she is what the country needs, and I truly agree. If she acts the way she does now in Washington, many of the problems the country has, have the possibility of being fixed. |
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jadedragon
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Posted - 09/09/2008 : 01:23:51
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Originally posted by fb101
Latest thing on the news is that the Democrats are demanding she take DNA tests to prove that her baby is hers, not her daughters.
Interesting - Her daughter is 7 months pregnant and the baby is 6 months old, So the daughter was one month pregnant with child #2 when #1 was born. I think I see how fiscal policy will work if the democrats win.
I hardly need to do math or get DNA tests to prove that the Democrats are barking up the wrong tree on this one. Turns out that people tend to take photos of top political figures - even gasp...in Alaska. Easy to find various online photos from about a year ago of a VERY prego Alaska Gov (taken long before anyoe was thinking Palin for VP). Also I learned from my wife's books that while still over all very rare, women in thier 40s are WAY more likely to have downs syndrome kids then 17 year olds are to have downs babies (almost unheard of!)
I was cool to McCain. Easy to get excited about Obama as a agnetic leader, but I'm disgusted with his policies.
Bring Palin on - what she might lack in experiance she makes up for in attitude! While I don't like everything about her, she does have more Executive experiance on council, as mayor, and as governer plus real life experiance working with the family fishing business. She is not a Washington insider and not well connected like the 3 senators are, and maybe that is a good thing. If she shines as VP there is always the chance she could move up to President when McCain retires. And I would put Palin in charge if McCain passed away in office in a heartbeat over Obama or his Senetorial fossel partner.
All that said... I can't vote for any of them. I will be voting on Oct 14 to reelect our federal Conservitive Government. Election was called on Sunday as expected. |
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 09/09/2008 : 18:47:06
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Palin -vs- Biden? I'll take Palin in a heartbeat. I live in "Joe's" state. He is a deadbeat, egotistical dirtbag. For a period of time back in the late 80's he couldn't get heating oil delivered because he had stiffed all the local heating oil vendors. Stories of his deadbeating on contractors, housekeepers, landscapers and such are very common around here.
Several years ago, when bankruptcy legislation was pending which would make it harder for individuals to file bankruptcy, Mr Cauley, then president of credit card giant MBNA, purchased Bidens house at 50% over market value, only to resell it later at a loss in exchange for Bidens' vote.
And why is it that Obama is the one attacking Palin, while Biden has been virtually silent about her?
Biden has a TON of skeletons in his closet. He is not a leader, he is in love only with his own reflection, and whatever power he can bestow on himself.
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tmaring
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 10:35:20
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I'm rather surprised to see such a preponderance of pro-republicanism in this forum. One would think that the lying and the perverted secrecy of the last eight years would lead any thinking person who had voted for Bush to do some serious soul-searching, to realize they'd made a serious mistake, and to break with the thought system that led to voting for Bush in the first place. I will vote for Obama, and donate to his campaign. The Bush!tes have started this country down a long slow slide to hell. McCain would just finish the job.
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jadedragon
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 14:25:32
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Palin -vs- Biden? I'll take Palin in a heartbeat. I live in "Joe's" state. He is a deadbeat, egotistical dirtbag. For a period of time back in the late 80's he couldn't get heating oil delivered because he had stiffed all the local heating oil vendors. Stories of his deadbeating on contractors, housekeepers, landscapers and such are very common around here.
Several years ago, when bankruptcy legislation was pending which would make it harder for individuals to file bankruptcy, Mr Cauley, then president of credit card giant MBNA, purchased Bidens house at 50% over market value, only to resell it later at a loss in exchange for Bidens' vote.
And why is it that Obama is the one attacking Palin, while Biden has been virtually silent about her?
Biden has a TON of skeletons in his closet. He is not a leader, he is in love only with his own reflection, and whatever power he can bestow on himself.
Nice summary - I did a little research on Biden. He is one of the poorest Senators with an estimated net worth of less the $400,000 and maybe less then $100,000! No wonder he is having trouble paying staff and oil bills. By his age, he should have made some investments and paid down a mortgage by now, but evidently can't even run his own life and budget. I'd rather have a guy that knows something about money management leading the country.
There is a parable in the Bible about the guy that was given a few coins to invest but hid them underground and earned nothing. The Master was not happy, took away the money, and was very critical of the servant. Another servant was given money to invest by the Master, but he doubled the money. The Master was pleased and put him in charge of even more assets. Pretty smart Master and a good lesson for us. I would not want to entrust the nation's finances to a guy who can't manage his own finances. |
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Nickelless
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 15:47:57
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Originally posted by tmaring
I'm rather surprised to see such a preponderance of pro-republicanism in this forum. One would think that the lying and the perverted secrecy of the last eight years would lead any thinking person who had voted for Bush to do some serious soul-searching, to realize they'd made a serious mistake, and to break with the thought system that led to voting for Bush in the first place. I will vote for Obama, and donate to his campaign. The Bush!tes have started this country down a long slow slide to hell. McCain would just finish the job.
NO MORE LIES
It's not just a slogan...
I don't think most of us on here are pro-Republican, we're just anti-incompetence. McCain is the only person running as a Republican (he's not a doctrinaire Republican per se, just that he's running as one) that we've seen since probably Reagan who seems to have inspired people more by what he stands for than for his party label. I've voted for both parties in national races based upon the competence and views of the individual running. I was 10 days too young to vote in the 1988 election, voted for George H.W. Bush in 1992 because I thought Clinton was sleazy, voted for Dole in 1996 because I thought Clinton was sleazy, wrote in a vote for McCain in the 2000 general election because I thought GWB was way too unwilling to work with Dems to get things done and I thought Al Gore was (and still is) an idiot, and I threw my vote at Kerry in 2004 but voted Republican for the House and Senate hoping for a balance of power. I consider myself either a pro-life, pro-gun Democrat or a pro-free speech, pro-environment Republican only because both parties have been hijacked by the Cheney/Pelosi factions and have left no real room for moderates and independents. I don't think the issue is that a lot of us here are Republicans per se, we just disagree with McCain less than we agree with Obama. Most of us on this board probably have a distaste for expensive, incompetent big government, which we've seen in GWB but we're also seeing much of the same being proposed by Obama, just from a different angle. GWB wants a police state, Obama wants enough of our money and control over us to achieve the same sort of Big Brother setting. There are good Republicans and bad Republicans, and there are good Democrats and bad Democrats. The problem is that in probably the past 20 years, we've had far too many of the bad in both parties. I'm proud to be party of the "mushy middle" and will gladly spar with anyone who tries to sell me on either party, as if there are only two choices. I'll take my pro-life, pro-gun Democratic congressman any day despite the fact he's a Democrat because I care more about issues and what people really stand for than I do about the parties themselves. In a way I'm glad that both the GOP and Dems have been hijacked by the Cheney and Pelosi camps so maybe more and more people will start to realize that the only way to get things done is to reach across the aisle no matter what the party elites say. Given how little this Congress has accomplished the past two years with Dems in control of Congress and a GOP president, I hope more people start feeling the same way. |
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jadedragon
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 16:19:13
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Saw a hard core Democratic feminazi $# of a woman on CNN's Larry King Live over night.
"KING: That's CNN's poll. CNN's poll says more men like her than women.
BEHAR: I go along with that one, because, you know, she's very pretty. She's beautiful. And I think the men are attracted to her, if you want my opinion. I was saying the other day, she looks like one of these girls who's like a librarian with the glasses and the ponytail. And then at night she's va-va-va-voom, you know, take the glasses off, throw the hair back. And the men are turned on to the woman, dogs that they are."
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According to this truly ugly (inside and out) woman, many men are appearantly attracted to an appearently intellegent, well spoken woman with power and are planning to vote with thier crotch.
I can tell you that no man is going to be imagining that the feminazi will be doing any of the above to them (at least not without true horror in the thought). Is Palin the new sex goddess for a new generation? Seems the Dems are really searching for reasons to discredit the general public's common sense - pretty much attributing current make voter support to kinky sexual lust. This is way to funny to watch! |
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 17:12:13
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Originally posted by tmaring
I'm rather surprised to see such a preponderance of pro-republicanism in this forum. One would think that the lying and the perverted secrecy of the last eight years would lead any thinking person who had voted for Bush to do some serious soul-searching, to realize they'd made a serious mistake, and to break with the thought system that led to voting for Bush in the first place. I will vote for Obama, and donate to his campaign. The Bush!tes have started this country down a long slow slide to hell. McCain would just finish the job.
NO MORE LIES
It's not just a slogan...
I'm registered Independent, and I'm a staunch conservative. I don't have ANY love for either party. With the choices we've been given, I'll hold my nose and vote for the evil we know, McCain, rather than the evil we DON'T KNOW AT ALL, Obama.
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fb101
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 18:37:42
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Ant
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 20:59:45
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Moderate Democratic feminazi checking in! 
From a strategic POV, as I posted earlier, the Palin pick was GENIUS. There are, for some reason, a considerable number of Hillary supporters who consider that Hillary was slighted somehow. As a result, they are reluctant to support Obama. I don't think it's an "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of thing -- rather, I think it's a misguided effort to support a woman as a candidate for a major office.
I don't get the feeling that McCain had much to do with the choice of Palin. This is too bold a move for the candidate to make on his own -- I think it came from one of the powers that be in the Republican party.
As I posted earlier, I think Palin will deliver the numbers for McCain. I don't think he could have done it on his own. She's a breath of fresh air -- the RNC couldn't have chosen a better candidate to exemplify change. The exact opposite of sad sack Joe Biden, who's thrown his hat in the ring for the presidential race ever since when? 1988? When I was a junior in high school? That guy cannot close the deal. But I digress . . .
My personal opinion of Palin is that she is a divisive person. Her history as mayor of Wallisa and as governor of Alaska show as much. And right now, our country needs to somehow find a way to come together. The war in Iraq, the economy, the energy crisis are all big concerns for just about every working person in America. IMO, Palin can still play to the crowd without stirring the pot.
As someone who has spent most of my life enjoying the outdoors through fishing, hunting and camping, as well as growing up on a working farm, I am disgusted at Palin's attitude toward wildlife in Alaska. In 2007, she reinstated a bounty on wolves, claiming that they reduced the number of moose available to hunters. Yes, wolves eat moose -- that's what they do. And family members who have hunted in Alaksa say that there are plenty of moose to go around. My understanding is that it is (was?) legal to shoot wolves from the air. That is the most unsporting practice I've ever heard of. It is utterly despicable.
As governor of Alaska, Palin has also sought to have polar bears removed from the U.S. Department of Interior's protected species list, claiming that they would hinder the development of oilfields in the state. My feeling is that engineers are smart folks and they can work around a few polar bears. |
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Ant
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 21:01:15
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One last comment -- when she was mayor of Wallisa, Palin also asked the town librarian how to go about getting books banned. It's the 21st century -- who bans books? 
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Ant
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 21:03:27
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| For the record, I don't care for either party's candidate this year. And you know what? I don't think most Americans like them either. I think some dirty dealing went on with Mitt Romney. |
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jadedragon
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 21:12:13
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One last comment -- when she was mayor of Wallisa, Palin also asked the town librarian how to go about getting books banned. It's the 21st century -- who bans books?
CNN last night said that this whole book banning thing is a false rumor that is getting twisted around. CNN went and checked it out. In many Cities it is common for the new Mayor to ask all senior staff to resign, then to rehire one's new team.
Palin did ask a question when she first became mayor about what the librarian would do if she was confronted with a request to ban a book. Purely theoritical and a valid question to ask a librarian who you are evaluating the suitability of going forward. Maybe the best question to ask a head librarian as there is almost nothing else that would present a tough decision in a library. |
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Ant
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 21:36:24
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I'm not sure if I can get behind the "false rumor" thing about the book banning.
Two different sources, Time and the Anchorage Daily News have reported that Palin discussed the possiblilty of banning books in the town's library more than once.
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[Former Wallisa mayor John ]Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.
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In December 1996, [librarian Mary Ellen] Emmons told her hometown newspaper, the Frontiersman, that Palin three times asked her -- starting before she was sworn in -- about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose. (See link for more.)
The supposed list of books Palin wanted banned? Totally bogus and totally snopable. I can't imagine why anyone would start to circulate that list. As many, many, many people have pointed out, some of the books on that list weren't even written when Palin took office.
As for Palin asking the librarian to leave for political reasons because that's common procedure when administrations change? Two faults:
1. Wallisa has less than 10,000 people in it -- it's not a large administration. After a few election cycles, there wouldn't be anyone left to hire. In U.S. cities of that size, very few, if any positions are filled with the incoming candidate's staff.
2. Despite what commentors on Michelle Malkin's website may write, the position of "town librarian" is not a political post. Not even in a town with just 10,0000 people. Not even if the librarian campaigns for the opposing candidate. (You must be logged in to see this link.). Unless Wallisa, Alaska is a hotbed of young, fiery English majors who are fighting the battle for the deconstructionist theory in the Great White North, that is. 
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Ant
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 21:51:26
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Palin did ask a question when she first became mayor about what the librarian would do if she was confronted with a request to ban a book. Purely theoritical and a valid question to ask a librarian who you are evaluating the suitability of going forward. Maybe the best question to ask a head librarian as there is almost nothing else that would present a tough decision in a library.
Purely theoretical and hypothetical, I'm sure.
In 1996, or 1396, or 2096 or any other year, there is no reason for anyone, anywhere in the world to ever broach the subject of book banning. Not even rhetorically. The ready availability of knowledge and ideas is too important, especially in a small town in Alaska, where the library might well be the only source the public has for books. I can't imagine there's a Barnes and Noble on the corner next to Starbucks there.
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 21:59:31
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Found this little video - I CAN'T BELIEVE HE SAID THIS!
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