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starwarsgeek171
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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 Posted - 07/20/2008 : 11:34:46
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Are those "monster toned" coins on eBay for real? I have serious doubts.
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jadedragon
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Canada
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Posted - 07/20/2008 : 15:04:27
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| How does one person find so many toned coins and I find nearly zero? Maybe using the hot frying pan trick. |
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Steiner
Penny Collector Member
Canada
278 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2008 : 18:11:50
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I forget the correct thing they use but I have been told by a coin dealer that he does treat the coin and this is how they achieve the tonning. Most tonning is fake.
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Flbandit
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
851 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2008 : 18:53:57
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| I've found a few pennies while sorting that are monster toned. I usually keep them. |
Are you throwing that out? |
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fb101
Administrator
USA
2856 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2008 : 20:38:54
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| Toner is available all over, even right on ebay. Just search for coin toner. I've had many silver coins for many years, and the ones that toned naturally for me usually just turned blackish. |
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starwarsgeek171
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
651 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2008 : 21:21:24
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| Yes, black seems to be par for the course. I've only had a few tone golden. But, a full-spectrum effect? Please! And to have so many! |
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Posted - 07/21/2008 : 08:04:55
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ive got a 1921 peace dollar pcgs ms65 thats rainbow toned.
its concentrated towards the edges. and only on the front of the coin. back has minor toning.
ive got a bunch of franklins that are "monster toned".
they seem common on franklins compared to others.
most came in a silver bag and none are in really that good of shape. |
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Ant
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
894 Posts |
 Posted - 07/21/2008 : 08:15:59
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I think a lot of that dramatic toning is artificial. I've heard of people dropping coins in a hot frying pan or dipping them in a sulfide solution.
I have some silver kooks that came in unusual hard plastic cases. They are starting to tone and I wonder if it is from some kind of gas being given off by the cases.
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Ant
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
894 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2008 : 09:05:57
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This brings up an interesting question:
If you know that certain storage conditions will result in toning, is it ethical to keep coins under those conditions? Could this be considered a form of artifical toning? It's sort of passive, but it's still intentional.
In the past, coin storage and handling was not the same as it is today. Many of the most valuable toned coins might have been handled in ways that we'd never think of treating a coin. Plus, for many years, a lot of those coins weren't part of a collection at all -- they were sitting in a box or a drawer somewhere, maybe with materials that contributed to the toning.
Now that handling of numismatic coins is so advanced, does this mean that non-artifically toned coins are going to become rarer? Is there something about the composition of certain coins that makes them more likely to tone? |
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fb101
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 07/21/2008 : 10:28:25
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Note to Ant: PVC containers will cause silver to tarnish.
Surface area is a factor in toning.
IMHO - As long as nothing has been applied to the surface of a coin to cause toning, it is natural. It's kind of the reverse of the cleaning. Official ANACS book says if a coin has been cleaned it >should< be stated that is was cleaned. (Officially, it says should, not "must") I'm a purist, I would not intentionally buy an artificially toned coin, nor sell one without so stating, if I accidentally got one. |
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JerrySpringer
Penny Hoarding Member
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Posted - 07/21/2008 : 12:12:55
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| This question is sort of on topic. When coins tarnish/form a layer of oxide, is that layer a protective coat more or less? My past learnings tell me yes, but from a collectors standpoint, the shinier coins get the worm we find. I am not a coin collector of much taste I admit. I like the idea of just finding stuff as the search is much of the thrill a good bit right now. Seems like if you have coins with a layer of tarnish and they have been that way for 50 years maybe (?), another few years in storage may not add much to the coin degradation. How quickly do coins degrade if stored in a drawer in a cloth or paper or platic holder? |
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Ant
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
894 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2008 : 12:31:56
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Originally posted by fb101
Note to Ant: PVC containers will cause silver to tarnish.
I wonder if these containers are made of PVC, then. I have never seen containers like them anywhere else. They're basically square, but the edges of each corner are cut off, so there are actually eight edges -- four long ones and four tiny short ones.
Maybe it's an Aussie thing.
Oh well, toned/not toned, either way is okay with me.  |
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just carl
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2008 : 21:15:29
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Posted - 07/21/2008 : 10:28:25
Note to Ant: PVC containers will cause silver to tarnish.
OH NO not another silly PVC statement. Please look up PVC somewhere. PVC will not, does not, couls not create tarnish on Silver. Many PVC stories are similar to Verdigris, which means something someone heard, repeated, repeated until no one really knows what is what. PVC itself can not harm anything. The additives placed in PVC to make it more flexable is what creates some problems due to it leaking out over a period of time. Eventually there is no more to leak out, the PVC becomes rigid and dormant. Tarnish on Silver is normally from Oxidation or Nitrations. Just how is that done with PVC?
As to toning of any coins, true most are done purposely and it is very difficult to distinguish AT from NT. People do all kinds of things to coins to tone them. Some bury them in the dirt, fry them in a pan, put them in a salad, pour eggs on them, etc. Then naturally sell them on ebay. If you check there is even a toned coin forum. |
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