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knibloe
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 Posted - 07/05/2008 : 15:59:06
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I have a minivan that I drive for work, and they let me drive it for personel use as long as it's my gas. I drive a lot in a week and see a lot of appliances on the side of the road.
My question is this? I have no desire to tear apart a washer and scrap it, but might want/need to in the future. Why wouldn't I pick up the appliances and throw them in a heap out back? I have 90 acres and could easily hide them from the zoning Nazi's. Then, if i ever needed the money or I had the time I could scrap them later
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NotABigDeal
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 16:48:59
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If you have the space and you want to pile everything up, then why not. Wish I had 90 acres....
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jadedragon
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Canada
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 19:33:28
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I would however think about what piling up junk on your property will do to the property value.
Buyers/lendors/appraisers see junk piled up and always over estimate the cost of clean up and deduct that high number from the value. Some buyers will just walk from a property that has a junk heap - move on to a site that does not have the headaches.
Piles of junk raise environmental questions and that can lead to expensive environmental engineering studies later. If there is junk piled up in plain view - what did the owner bury that you can't see?
Finally, piles of junk lead many to assume that you do not maintain the property, reducing the perceived value. A few dollars of metal piled up today could cost you or your survivers many thousands or tens of thousands later. |
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Kurr
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fb101
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USA
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 20:02:34
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| Would you be willing to part with a couple of acres when TSHTF so I can raise rabbits? I'll pay in junk silver and share the rabbits. |
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TenBears
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USA
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 20:09:58
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Would you be willing to part with a couple of acres when TSHTF so I can raise rabbits? I'll pay in junk silver and share the rabbits.
That's the spirit.
Your question about scrapping is a personal one. I would not load up my property with a bunch of scrap, but that's me. However, that isn't to say that I would not take scrap metal from time to time and store it in a trailer out back until I had a full load to take to the scrap metal yard. |
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 21:52:15
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Maybe this is an ignorant question, but, why can't you just take the whole appliance and sell it to the scrap yard? You might not get as much, but it might be a reasonable compromise between getting nothing, and possibly lowering property values.
Or do they not take whole appliances? |
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 22:19:51
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Knibloe,
I would definitely take the time to scrap these. I would guess more than 90 percent of washers/dryers have value. You have steel, copper wire, some brass, the motor, etc. With the right tools it only takes a few minutes to take apart washers/dryers. What others on here say about property values, etc is true, but if you do it right, sort it, keep it neat, etc it wouldn't affect anything. These appliances don't yield a whole lot of value, but it all adds up. Another thing to always consider is the old saying "time is money". Anyway, I would definitely scrap these out.
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Robarons
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 23:20:19
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It seems that if want to pile this stuff up in the yard so you can make one big trip to a scrap yard seems like a fine idea.
However keeping washers/dryers/etc. outside to use later or for any other purpose other than to scrap sounds silly. You must think theres a reason why these things are being thrown out. Also your leaving them outside for the elements to have at it (rain,floods,inflation,etc.) would also effect the ability for these things to be used (as a whole or parts).
But keep things hidden and tidy and you shouldnt have problem. Just dont take these things to the grave. |
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jadedragon
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 05:03:26
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I kinda disagree, some of the richest men I know, have piles and piles of metal and call em scrap/junkyards.
Sure on "industrial salvage" zoned property with appropriate permits, appropriate equipment and a plan of some sort.
The question here was basically "should I store old appliances out in the back 90 acres, without appropriate zoning and with no real concrete plan to process the scrap metal."
I sold real estate in rural Missouri and saw plenty of people with that basic idea. In every case it lowered their property values and turned off buyers. |
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Bluegill
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 09:05:09
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I would definitely pick them up and scrap them. Scrap yards will buy them whole. I would only cut off the power cord and then take the appliance in, no further processing. It is classified and treated as sheet iron.
When I was between jobs I actually paid my bills by making my rounds every night and early mornings collecting scrap metal from the curb. I would always get 1 or 2 appliances and or hot water heaters a night. Of course gas was only $2/gallon then.
They are bulky for their weight but I would fill them with smaller items.
You can process them further if you want, but for the time that you would spend harvesting a few cents worth of copper wire you could be out collecting more scrap that would pay higher yields.
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tyoon21
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 09:10:59
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| What about refrigerators. I heard some yards won't take it unless you drain the refrigerant and take off the doors. |
Take this job and shove it. I don't want to work here no more... |
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knibloe
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 15:41:28
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| what is a washer worth at the scrap yard whole vs what is worth if dismantled? |
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 19:19:11
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| Check into local scrapyards in area and price out there dumpsters. Get a dumpster out back and fill it as you go. Dumpster gets full have them haul it out and bring in a empty one. I only tear apart appliances if i have nothing else coming in. |
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moboman
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Posted - 07/07/2008 : 22:06:01
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I dont see a problem with it. If the government appraisers value your land at a lower price, doesnt that mean you pay less in property taxes????
I have an uncle that had neighbors complain about his scrap aluminum, he had to clean it up, or he faced a fine. |
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Posted - 07/08/2008 : 00:32:01
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| Without a plan, I definitely wouldn't collect appliances and just store them out back. I personally couldn't care what the government, neighbors, etc think about what I do (to a point), but without a plan, they would probably just stack up and would eventually become a problem. So, if it were me, I'd stack them as neatly and as organized as possible, maybe cover them, and when I had the time I would figure out how to make the most money out of them. I definitely wouldn't leave them hoping I'd get around to it someday. Good luck whichever way you go. |
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misteroman
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Posted - 07/08/2008 : 11:20:50
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Who cares if no one will buy his property because there is junk on it?I don't think he is selling it lol.
careful of the bees when you go to move it someday.Of course you may have lots of honey too. |
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knibloe
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Posted - 07/08/2008 : 22:11:27
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MM is right, the farm has been in my family since 1837. I have no plans on sellong or moving. I have decided against piling them up. Not because of what others might say think or try to make me do, but because there is already a pile of scrap out back (not all inheritances are good)and I hate the fact that it is a haven for woodchucks and other varmits. I would move it, but it isn't worth my time right now.
Thanks for the input. I might start picking them up and scraping them whole if it is worth it. No refriges. I cannot pick them up by myself.
Thanks for the input |
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misteroman
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Posted - 07/08/2008 : 23:46:07
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| 1837???? wow that is some history right there.Every metal detect on the property? |
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knibloe
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1066 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2008 : 19:15:51
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Yes 1837 is correct. MY children are the 8th generation to live here. I have metal detected. Coin wise, I have found a 1820 cent, 1821 cent, 1894 canadian large cent, and a 1873 dime. My uncle who lived here before me found a coin from the 1700's he has since lost it. Not sure what the denomination was. It was US silver.
I also found a brass cross belt buckle cerca 1812. I say cerca 1812, because the week after I found it, I saw an identical one up at the museum in Fort Niagara. |
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kavajava
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Posted - 07/10/2008 : 14:26:26
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Originally posted by knibloe
I might start picking them up and scraping them whole if it is worth it. No refriges. I cannot pick them up by myself.
Also, with refrigerators you have the whole problem with refrigerant and having to prove there is none in there. |
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 21:19:30
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| I would always dismantle washers and dryers. The last dryer I tore apart had 13 dollars in it not counting the change. I also gave away a washer years ago to a friend he told me he found why it had stopped working. He had found a gold necklace in the pump. When I say dismantle I should say it doesn't require much time, effort or tools. Best to all, Mike. |
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Posted - 07/19/2008 : 23:58:08
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Hi Mike. Those kinds of stories always happen to someone else, don't they....
I agree, not much effort at all.
Just curious though, what part of the dryer was worth 13 bucks? |
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Posted - 07/21/2008 : 14:50:07
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| There was 13 dollars, one five dollar bill and the rest were ones, in the dryer plus change. Mike. |
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