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Nickelless
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 Posted - 06/28/2008 : 03:58:37
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Just saw this on Yahoo. The story is a week old, but I'd say the pain is just beginning...
NYTimes.com
Saturday June 21, 7:35 pm ET
By ERIC DASH
The easy money that led Americans to depend on credit cards to pay their bills is starting to dry up.
After fostering the explosive growth of consumer debt in recent years, financial companies are reducing the credit limits on cards held by millions of Americans, often without warning.
Banks that issue cards like Visa and MasterCard, as well as the American Express Company, are cutting the limits for customers who have run up big debts, live in areas that have been hit hard by the housing crisis or work for themselves in troubled industries.
The reductions come as consumers, squeezed by a slack economy, a weak housing market and rising unemployment, are falling behind on monthly credit card payments in growing numbers.
Credit card lenders are also culling their accounts ahead of new rules that are intended to benefit consumers but could limit the profits on customers deemed bigger risks.
Many Americans have come to rely on credit cards to cover everyday expenses like groceries, gasoline and medical bills, in addition to big-ticket items and luxuries. While consumer spending, the nation’s economic engine, has been surprisingly resilient of late, a more sweeping reduction in credit card limits could pose serious challenges for hard-pressed consumers and, in turn, the broader economy.
Many are already feeling pinched. Pamela Pfitzer, a family therapist with a stable six-figure income, was stunned when she went to a garden center near her home outside Sacramento in early April and tried to buy about $30 worth of flowers with her American Express card. Her transaction was denied, she says, even though she insists she had rarely missed a payment and had just made one for $1,000.
After inadvertently hitting her credit limit a few months ago and then falling behind on a mortgage payment, Ms. Pfitzer said her limit was lowered by American Express to $900 from $2,300. The flowers pushed her over the new cap.
Then last month it happened again, she says, when she tried to buy office furniture with her Wells Fargo Visa card. Although she had just made a payment of about $700, Ms. Pfitzer found out that her credit limit had been lowered to $2,000 from $2,800.
“In all the years I have had credit cards, I have never had this happen before,” Ms. Pfitzer said. “Now it has happened twice in the last few months.”
Banks and mortgage companies are required by law to notify customers within three days of changing the limits on a home equity line of credit, and many have been aggressively lowering them. But credit card lenders have 30 days to notify their customers, and often do so only after taking action.
Such moves can cause a consumer’s credit score to drop, forcing the person to pay higher interest rates and making it harder to obtain new loans.
Even so, disclaimers in the fine print of credit card applications typically stipulate that the issuer can cancel or alter credit limits at any time, regardless of a customer’s payment or credit history.
Washington Mutual cut back the total credit lines available to its cardholders by nearly 10 percent in the first quarter of the year, according to an analysis of bank regulatory data. HSBC Holdings, Target and Wells Fargo each trimmed their credit card lines by about 3 percent.
Among those four lenders, that amounts to a reduction of about $15 billion in three months. Over all, the amount of available credit for the industry appears to be about flat, with the three biggest issuers — Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup — slightly increasing their overall credit lines. But even they are trying to rein in risky individual accounts.
Big banks face intense pressure on their balance sheets as they bring on billions of dollars worth of complex mortgage-related investments and other loans they are struggling to sell. Meanwhile, they are bracing for a surge in credit card losses as the job market and economy falter.
Consumers are reaching deeper into their pockets to pay for groceries and gas. Last year, as many as half of all those who took out home equity loans used the money to help pay down their credit card debt, according to J. D. Power research. But home equity is no longer an easy source of financing. Month after month, cardholders keep falling behind on their bills.
“This downturn is the perfect storm where the consumer is getting squeezed from all levels,” said Michael Taiano, a credit card industry analyst at Sandler O’Neill. He projects that credit card loss rates for lenders, now around 5.7 percent, could go as high as 10 percent in next 18 months. That would be higher than the peak levels reached after the 2001 technology bust.
Since borrowers typically run up their balances before they stop paying, issuers have started cutting lines of credit. Often, lenders will lower customers’ credit limits as they pay down their debt — a technique known in the industry as “chasing the balance.” This way, they are on the hook for less money if borrowers default.
“They are trying to cut their risk exposure,” said Bill Ryan, an analyst at Portales Partners. “The consumer that used to use his house as an A.T.M. is now starting to use their credit card as an A.T.M.”
American Express is reducing credit lines for customers holding subprime mortgages and small-business customers in industries tied to the real estate market. And Chase Card Services, the consumer arm of JPMorgan, is taking similar action on distressed borrowers, especially in places like California, Arizona and Florida, where home prices have declined sharply.
Washington Mutual, HSBC, Target and Wells Fargo all acknowledged they were pulling in lines of credit as part of broader strategy of reducing risk.
None of those lenders, as a matter of policy, would comment on individual customer accounts.
Cardholders in places like Orange County in California, Atlanta and Phoenix have noticed their credit lines shriveling up.
John D. Craig Jr., a college administrator who lives near Niagara Falls, N.Y., said he had regularly been paying own his balance on a rarely used card when Chase told him it was reducing his credit limit to $4,000 from $20,000. The news took him by surprise.
“For two or three years, it was, ‘We are going to give you more credit, more credit more credit,’ ” he said. “Now, in the last two or three months, it has been the exact opposite.”
Those who work in real estate-related fields say they are being pinched by the credit card lenders at a time when money is tight. In Seattle, Phillip Rodocker, a sales associate for a large residential real estate firm, said that the credit limit on his Citi Platinum Select Visa card had been reduced in April to $4,950 from $6,720 even though he says he never missed a payment and had no recent credit blemishes. A Citi spokesman, Samuel Wang, said Mr. Rodocker had made six late payments within the last year.
Leslie Sherman, the owner of Realty Executives in Las Vegas, said American Express had reduced the credit limits on several personal and business cards virtually at the same time.
“It has definitely made me spend less,” she said. But Ms. Sherman said that it had been a blow to her ego, too.
“It made me feel like I wasn’t responsible,” she said. “I know when to put my reins on and when not to. I didn’t appreciate someone thanking me for always paying my bills on time and being a good customer by dinging my credit.”
Meredith Whitney, an Oppenheimer banking analyst, said the impact of the recent regulatory proposals on lender profits could be so severe that she expected the industry to pull back $2 trillion in outstanding credit lines by 2010. That would be a 45 percent reduction in credit currently available to consumers. Risky borrowers would be squeezed the most.
Customers with stronger credit histories have probably noticed few changes. But card issuers are also becoming pickier about whom they approve.
Lenders are sending fewer offers in the mail. And borrowers already in debt, once courted by card companies, are being shunned.
Zero-balance teaser rate offers have fallen by about 15 percent over the last year, according to Mintel Comperemedia, a marketing research company.
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2008 : 15:03:46
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| Credit card debt, and auto debt are going to be big problems. |
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fb101
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2008 : 16:00:13
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| I've noticed fewer credit card offers coming. I used to get easily 3 or 4 a week, now down to 1 or 2. |
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 06/28/2008 : 17:10:49
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Originally posted by kavajava
Credit card debt, and auto debt are going to be big problems.
I was surprised to learn that so many people buy a car without paying off the first laon and just tack the rest of the old loan (which is usually more principle than interest) on to the new one. |
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kavajava
Penny Collector Member
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2008 : 18:29:07
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yeah--and it is usually soooo (too) easy to qualify.
Also--the dealer immediately flips the loan to someone else, so his incentive is to make the sale, not worry about if the note will get paid off.
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 06/28/2008 : 20:28:43
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| The only way to get ahead of the auto credit merry-go-round is to pay off your car and then take the payments you were making and save the money as long as you can drive it. Then pay cash for your next one. I could pay cash for a new car tomorrow but I'll be driving my rust bucket for a long time and continue to save the money. |
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swusc
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2008 : 22:18:56
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Originally posted by Ardent Listener
The only way to get ahead of the auto credit merry-go-round is to pay off your car and then take the payments you were making and save the money as long as you can drive it. Then pay cash for your next one. I could pay cash for a new car tomorrow but I'll be driving my rust bucket for a long time and continue to save the money.
You mean everyone doesn't have the right to drive a new car every year? That is so unAmerican of you to say that.
Seriously.... I have never owned a car made in this century. My current car was made in 1998.
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"This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the "hidden" confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard." Alan Greenspan, 1966. |
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Ponce
Penny Hoarding Member
Cuba
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Posted - 06/28/2008 : 23:37:30
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You want to hear a good one?........last week I got an actual check from one of my credit cards companies for $5,000 to use anyway that I wanted, the funny part about it is that in the last eight years I have used this particular card only about five times.
By the way, my "car" is a 91 Toy pick up with 187,000 miles that I would not trade for anything else in this world.........it has never let me down, "Toyota, buy it today and you will drive it tomorrow" |
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swusc
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
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Posted - 06/29/2008 : 11:04:17
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yea I don't drive an American car either. Foreign cars last longer, so they are a lot better deal for the money. That is the U.S. car industry's problem.... the products can't be sold for enough to cover all the employee cost that the union's demand. So the unions will be those employees downfall.
Bush has been just awful. Spending has increased 50% under his leadership. The national debt has nearly doubled. When you elect a conservative, you expect controlled spending and decrease in government size. This is why liberals will have control of the government after this Nov. The real conservatives are dead. The liberals have Ds and Rs in front of their names, but it is meaningless. They are all for more government spending. The only difference is the method of payment for that spending.... taxes or debt.
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"This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the "hidden" confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard." Alan Greenspan, 1966. |
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CoinHunter53562
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 07/01/2008 : 23:10:55
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You mean everyone doesn't have the right to drive a new car every year? That is so unAmerican of you to say that.
Seriously.... I have never owned a car made in this century. My current car was made in 1998.
-SWUSC
Same here...I have never owned a new car, and my previous two car purchases I kept for roughly 6 or 7 years each before selling them. |
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