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 Posted - 07/27/2006 : 19:45:54
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what i mean is that for those who has been around long enough in the hoarding scenes, i wonder what kind of parallels, and differences you can draw from the hoarding of silver coins just before 1964, and hoarding of pennies and nickels in the current scenes; after all, we can all learn form history
as usual, thank you for all the input 
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CajunCoin
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Posted - 03/09/2007 : 16:44:34
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It is 1964 all over again here in the States, the Melt value equals coin value or plus and some coins are bieng slowly taken out by those in the Know (WE) and the general public is not too aware of whats going on outside the numismatic and currency circles since the media is downplaying the overvakuation of the copper cent and the general public has not caught on!
In 1964, the public became aware only after the 1965 clads came out and then only a small amount disappeared at first until 1969 and the melt/bullion value became a serious factor in the 1971-73 silver price runup! 3 times face was the normal and then with the market uncertanties coupled with the 1979-1980 price run up to $50.00 an ounce caused a frenzy which people sold any silver they had and the market glut coupled with the Hunt Bros failure drove Silver way low and cause many a dealer (both professional and amateur Coin types) to be left holding the bag including yours truly! I was lucky since I could cover my losses and boursed my way out by selling and dealing in quality not quantity!
Since the 1960s were a change from one standard to another, quickly, abrupt is more like it, people became aware faster. Here, the Penney is a lowly piece of change and most people don't seem to want to bother, now the nickel could get some play if the US MINT changes it appearance or design! This slow change is working to our benefit and anh sudden moves could alarm the public and cause stuff to go out of circulation faster!
As far as Price rise, don't count on Nickel or Copper rising to very high levels and getting a fortune on your coins, sorry, but if nickel doubles it current price in the next 3 to 5 years, it would be miracle, too much idle mining capacity in Russia and and economic incentives would make new mining ventures as well as old one profitable. Gold Mining in the US in 1932 was unprofitable at 20 an ounce but at 32 an ounce, the Colorado Gold Mines sprang back to life until WW2 closed them as being "Not in the war Material Interests and a Waste of Resources and Manpower!" So, Copper is basically the same thing, a price rise to about $4.00 a LB would probably make Lincoln Mining worthwhile but it would need a healthy margin to support smelting of scrap to make it worthwhile! For now hold on to that Copper and Nickle, I just put mine up and salt it away, if I would have bought stock in 1964 and put it away, I would have came out better but Face Value coins for future appreciation should be a part of a well thoughtout portfolio.
BTW-Hedging with hard metals is not bad, my family has used HARD METALS to escape many bad regimes throughout history, being Cajun, We left Canada in 1755 with our Gold to LOUISIANA, my Father's people escaped the Russians and Germans with Silver and Gold and I always believe in Hard Money.
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 03/09/2007 : 18:14:18
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Welcome CajunCoin. If I'm only able to get the extra 60% melt value on my nickels over the next few of years I would consider hoarding them worthwhile.
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CajunCoin
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Posted - 03/09/2007 : 18:50:54
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Originally posted by Ardent Listener
Welcome CajunCoin. If I'm only able to get the extra 60% melt value on my nickels over the next few of years I would consider hoarding them worthwhile.
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A 60% return instantly is a good return, always buy for face, I think its too early to speculate. 60% return over 3 years would be 20% annual, not bad.
Remember the rule of 72, percent of return divided by 72 equals the time to double your money!
My wife still doesn't like the boxes of Nickles but I classify it as an investment!
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DadaOrwell
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Posted - 03/09/2007 : 20:53:08
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when i saw the first two words of this topic, I assumed this meant professional help for us from psychologists :)
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Canadian_Nickle
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Posted - 03/09/2007 : 21:30:12
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DSM IV Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) Criteria
A. Either obsessions or compulsions:
Obsessions as defined by (1), (2), (3), and (4):
(1) recurrent and persistent thoughts, impulses, or images that are experienced at some time during the disturbance, as intrusive and inappropriate and that cause marked anxiety or distress
(2) the thoughts, impulses, or images are not simply excessive worries about real-life problems
(3) the person attempts to ignore or suppress such thoughts, impulses, or images, or to neutralize them with some other thought or action
(4) the person recognizes that the obsessional thoughts, impulses, or images are a product of his or her own mind (not imposed from without as in thought insertion)
Compulsions as defined by (1) and (2):
(1) repetitive behaviors (e.g., hand washing, ordering, checking) or mental acts (e.g., praying, counting, repeating words silently) that the person feels driven to perform in response to an obsession, or according to rules that must be applied rigidly
(2) the behaviors or mental acts are aimed at preventing or reducing distress or preventing some dreaded event or situation; however, these behaviors or mental acts either are not connected in a realistic way with what they are designed to neutralize or prevent or are clearly excessive
B. At some point during the course of the disorder, the person has recognized that the obsessions or compulsions are excessive or unreasonable. Note: This does not apply to children.
C. The obsessions or compulsions cause marked distress, are time consuming (take more than 1 hour a day), or significantly interfere with the person’s normal routine, occupational (or academic) functioning, or usual social activities or relationships.
D. I another Axis I disorder is present, the content of the obsessions or compulsions is not restricted to it (e.g., preoccupation with food in the presence of an Eating Disorder; hair pulling in the presence of Trichotillomania; concern with appearance in the presence of Body Dysmorphic Disorder; preoccupation with drugs in the presence of a Substance Use Disorder; preoccupation with having a serious illness in the presence of Hypochondriasis; preoccupation with sexual urges or fantasies in the presence of a Paraphilia; or guilty ruminations in the presence of Major Depressive Disorder).
E. The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition.
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 03/09/2007 : 21:47:25
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Obsessive Compulsive Disorder:
Money Paranoia
We have all heard about the miser who hides their money in their mattress and lives as if they are in the throes of poverty when they are really quite wealthy. But do such people really exist? The truth is that they do certainly exist, and in fact, this behavior is often the result of mental illness.
Unfounded money paranoia and hoarding is a sign of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Often people affected by this disorder will hoard all types of things; rarely getting rid of anything. They may have several old automobiles that they do not use and have no intention of using, but keep them around because they are “Classics” This is true even if the cost of storing them is more than what they could reasonable expect to ever sale them for.
This is only the tip of the iceberg. These people are actually afraid to get rid of anything for it is in their head that someday they might need an item and will have to buy it if they have thrown it away. It is not uncommon for these people to be obsessive about keeping track of every penny spent, and become upset if they are responsible for one cent of interest on anything else which normal people deal with on an everyday basis but that this person considers, unnecessary.
Though it is wise for anyone to be pennywise and thrifty, especially in today’s world when fortunes can be gained and lost quickly if you are not careful, these people who are afflicted with money paranoia will actually make themselves sick worrying about where every penny is spent. The average person looking at one of these individuals would swear that they think they are going to take everything with them when they die.
So what are the signs of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and Money Paranoia? You are someone you know may be afflicted with this illness if:
They keep just about everything they acquire, even if they haven’t used it for twenty years.
They have an obsession about going online to check their bank statements daily.
They are so worried about losing out on a dime that they will actually cheat close friends and relatives on financial deals.
It is minus 10 degrees outside and they insist on keeping the heat so low you can practically see your breath and it is much too cold to even bathe. They won’t allow the fireplace to be used because that will cost money in extra natural gas, or firewood.
They expect other members of the family to turn off the shower water while they are lathering up with soap and not to turn it on again until they are ready to rinse off. They have a parent that displayed similar behavior as they were growing up. This person will recognize this behavior in their parent, but not themselves.
The difference between a person who is afflicted with mental illness and one who is just thrifty is the obsessive behavior and the fact that this behavior causes trouble and misery for themselves and those around them.
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 00:51:08
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My wife still doesn't like the boxes of Nickles but I classify it as an investment!
Welcome CajunCoin.. Glad to have you on the board. At my house it's the penny boxes.. she doesn't know about the nickel boxes yet. <G>
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 00:55:01
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Seeing a lot of things that look familiar here.
"Preserving coinage.. 2 tons at a time"
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 01:03:25
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I thought the same thing as DadaOrwell when I saw the first couple of words for the topic. OMG.. I think I've got it.. I see several of the signs! What's the first step towards recovery.. admitting you have a problem? OK, here goes.....
Hi, I'm Chuck and I'm a coin addict.
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Canadian_Nickle
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 01:22:45
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Coinaholic.
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CajunCoin
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 09:16:35
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While on the subject of perception and belief and the psychologigal ramifications, most folks don't percieve the penney and nickle as very valuable as they did the dime, quarter and half dollar! Everybody thinks Silver Dollars are so rare as they should be able to retire off the sale of just one!
Keep mum on the current coin situation, should be some opportunity for profit! Let the hoi polloi be occupied (entertained) by Anna Nicole's Baby while Rome is Sacked.
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Canadian_Nickle
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 22:25:48
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Otaku is a Japanese term sometimes used pejoratively to refer to people with obsessive hobbies, most commonly manga or anime.
Contents [hide]
1 Etymology
2 In Japan
3 In English/Internationally
4 Fictional works about otaku
5 See also
6 References
7 External links
[edit] Etymology
The word otaku is derived from an honorific Japanese term for another's house or family (¤ªÕ¬,¡¡ÓùÕ¬ otaku) that is also used as an honorific second-person pronoun (roughly equivalent to vos/usted in Spanish). The modern slang form, which is distinguished from the older usage by being written only in hiragana (¤ª¤¿¤¯) or katakana (¥ª¥¿¥¯) (or rarely r¨maji), appeared in the 1980s. It appears to have been coined by the humorist and essayist Akio Nakamori in his 1983 series An Investigation of Otaku (¤ª¤¿¤¯¤ÎÑо¿, Otaku no Kenky¨±?), printed in the lolicon magazine Manga Burikko,[1] who observed that this form of address was unusually common among geeks and nerds. It was apparently a reference to someone who communicates with their equals using (unncessarily) the distant and formal pronoun, and spends most of their time at home.[1]
The term entered general use in Japan around 1989, and may have been popularized by Nakamori's publication in that year of The Age of M (M¤Î•r´ú, M no Jidai?). It applied the term to the (then) recently caught serial killer Tsutomu Miyazaki, who turned out to be a recluse obsessed with pr0nographic anime and manga and who lived out his rape fantasies on young girls, thus attaching a huge taboo to a formerly innocuous term.
The term was popularized in the English speaking world in William Gibson's 1996 novel Idoru. In the book, there were several references to otaku, who were described as 'pathological-techno-fetishist-with-social-deficit':
"Masahiko is seventeen," Mitsuko said. "He is a 'pathological-techno-fetishist-with-social-deficit,'" this last all strung together like one word, indicating a concept that taxed the lexicon of the ear-clips. Chia wondered briefly if it would be worth running it through her Sandbenders, whose translation functions updated automatically whenever she ported.
"A what?"
"Otaku," Mitsuko said carefully in Japanese. The translation burped its clumsy word string again.
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"The otaku guys at my last school were into, like, plastic anime babes, military simulations, and trivia. Bigtime into trivia."
In 2001-04-01 edition of The Observer, William Gibson further explained his view on the term:
The otaku, the passionate obsessive, the information age's embodiment of the connoisseur, more concerned with the accomeulation of data than of objects, seems a natural crossover figure in today's interface of British and Japanese cultures. I see it in the eyes of the Portobello dealers, and in the eyes of the Japanese collectors: a perfectly calm train-spotter frenzy, murderous and sublime. Understanding otaku -hood, I think, is one of the keys to understanding the culture of the web. There is something profoundly post-national about it, extra-geographic. We are all curators, in the post-modern world, whether we want to be or not.[1]
Another potential etymology for the term comes from the May 2006 issue of EX Taishuu Magazine, which claims that use of the term originally started among the fanbase of the 1982¨C1983 TV series Super Dimension Fortress Macross as the main character of the show had a habit of addressing others as "otaku", a habit that fans started to emulate.
Yet another source for the term comes from the works of science fiction author Moto Arai. In his book Wrong About Japan, Peter Carey interviews the novelist, artist and Gundam chronicler Yuka Minakawa. She reveals that Arai used the word to refer to her readers, who adopted the term for themselves.
[edit] In Japan
In modern Japanese slang, an otaku refers to an overtly obsessive fan of any one particular theme, topic, or hobby. Common uses are anime otaku (one who sometimes enjoys many days of excessive anime watching with no rest) and manga otaku (a fan of Japanese graphic novels), pasokon otaku (personal computer geeks), g¨¥mu otaku (playing video games), and otaku that are extreme fans of idols, heavily promoted singing girls. There are also tetsud¨ otaku or denshamania (metrophiles) or gunji otaku (military geeks).
While these are the most common uses of otaku, the word can be applied to anything (music otaku, martial arts otaku, cooking otaku, etc).
The loan-words maniakku or mania (from English "maniac") are sometimes used in relation to specialist hobbies and interests. They can indicate someone with otaku leanings, (for example- Gundam Mania would describe a person who is very interested in the anime series Gundam). They can also describe the focus of such interests (a maniakku ge-mu would be a particularly underground or eccentric game appealing primarily to otaku). The nuance of maniakku in Japanese is softer and less likely to cause offence than otaku.
Amongst Japan's otaku themselves, some use the term to describe themselves and their friends semi-humorously, accepting their position as obsessive fans, and some even use the term proudly, attempting to reclaim it from its negative connotations. In general colloquial usage however, most Japanese would consider it undesirable to be described in a serious fashion as "otaku".
Although stereotypically male, there are also many female otaku. A small alleyway of Tokyo's Higashi Ikebukuro district is known as "Otome Road" ("Maiden's road"). Otome Road's otome are a cross-section of Japanese womanhood, with ages ranging from teenage junior high school girls to housewives in their late 40s. A feature of the area is that there are so many bookstores devoted to comics and books filled with stories about not for discussionmen, in a genre called Boys' Love or BL. D¨jinshi, manga produced by amateur fans, dominate the shelves along Otome Road, with a significant chunk of the comics' stories about more famous anime that imitate, parody or develop on characters who are usually household names in Japan.
The Akihabara neighborhood of Tokyo is a popular gathering place for otaku.An interesting, modern look into the otaku culture has surfaced with an allegedly true story surfacing on the famous internet bulletin board 2ch.net: "Densha Otoko" or "Train Man", a love story about a geek and a beautiful woman who meet on the train. The story has enjoyed a compilation in novel form, several comic book adaptations, a music video by a popular Japanese band named Orange Range for their song Onegai Senorita was loosely based on this, a movie released on June 2005 and a television series which aired on Fuji TV from June to September 2005. The drama has become another hot topic in Japan, and the novel, film and television series give a closer look into the otaku culture. In Japan its popularity and positive portrayal of the main character has helped to reduce negative stereotypes about otaku, and increase the acceptability of some otaku hobbies. Perhaps encouraged by this reduction in stigma, a few famous Japanese celebrities, actors and models have come out about their otaku hobbies.[citation needed]
A subset of otaku are the Akiba-kei, men who spend a lot of time in Akihabara in Tokyo and who are mainly obsessive about anime, idols and games.
Sometimes the term is used to describe something pertaining to the subculture that surrounds anime, idols and games in Japan. This subculture places an emphasis on certain services (see fanservice) and has its own system for judgment of anime, dating simulations and/or role-playing games and some manga (often d¨jinshi) based upon the level of fanservice in the work. Another popular criterion¡ªhow ideal the female protagonist of the show is¡ªis often characterized by a level of stylized cuteness and child-like behavior (see mo¨¦). In addition, this subculture places great emphasis on knowledge of individual key animators and directors and of minute details within works. The international subculture is influenced by the Japanese one, but differs in many areas often based upon region. (See also: Superflat, Hiroki Azuma.)
In Japan anime is not as widely accepted and mainstreamed as manga. Because of this the otaku subculture has much influence over the mainstream anime industry in Japan. The area where otaku have the most influence in manga tends to be with d¨jinshi. Manga published in the United States are more influenced by their respective otaku subculture than they are in Japan. This is because most people who read manga have some ties to the subculture in the US, whereas in Japan manga reading is more widespread.
See also: anorak.
[edit] In English/Internationally
The term is a loanword from the Japanese language, but in the English/international sense it is used to refer specifically to a fan of anime and manga, though it can sometimes refer to any "nerd," in general. The term serves as a label not unlike the term Trekkie or fanboy. However, use of the label can be a source of contention among older or more moderate anime fans, particularly those who are aware of the negative connotations the term has within some subcultures. As in Japan, unpleasant stereotypes about otaku prevail in worldwide fan communities, and some anime fans express concern about the reputations these more extreme fans can earn their hobby (not unlike sentiments in the comic book and science fiction fandoms).
To indicate that one is talking about the Japanese definition rather than the English loanword, the spelling wotaku (¥ò¥¿¥¯) is sometimes used. On Japanese forums such as 2channel, however, otaku (¥ª¥¿¥¯) and wotaku (¥ò¥¿¥¯) are used interchangeably, depending on the mood and personal style of the poster.
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