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zerocd
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 Posted - 06/27/2010 : 04:59:51
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Right click and save the file, choose “save as”. Save the file to your desktop, my docs or whatever. Then play it. (Media Player)
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A very methodical description of the mechanisms and details of the current problems faced by trying to solve this dilemma.
This is 2 hours and 8 minutes, audio only. This is a huge event and if you actually want to understand it, this is the very best I’ve found.
I know that this is difficult to digest. Not hard to understand mind you, just to accept the reality. Sound bites just cannot educate you to the gravity and cannot really do more but get us to parrot and blame.
I will say that it was worth every second of my time.
I need to know. What I discovered was not what I previously understood to be true. The plan is to try and kill the well from the bottom up and the odds are poor. They have to hit the well (a 9 inch pipe), 18,000 down. 5,000 of water and 13,000 feet of well.
Frank discussion of alternatives, the chemical nature and toxicity of the spill, respirators, etc. without any hype, music or propaganda.
The first real shot at fixing this is 2 months away. Of course a hurricane will throw a wrench into this process. The ships will leave.
There will be oil in the rain. Oil will be forced inland. More….
The file was too big to attach.
Comments welcome.
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jadedragon
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 08:50:42
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I like the nuke option - i read that the Russians killed a couple wells with tactical nukes - more info here: You must be logged in to see this link. and even more details here You must be logged in to see this link.
It seems like this would work. However, what would you do with the radioactive oil floating onto the GULF coast beaches destroying beach front properties forever. |
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cptindy
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 11:35:02
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We have manged to let greed come before all else. This situation will be around for quite some time, it would not surprise me if my grand children are still responding to this "oil spill". Using any device to cave the newly opened volcano, simply does not have a high degree of probability. Can it work? You tell me. When the odds are less than 50% of success what exactly are you looking at.
All Russian scenarios took place on land! This is a scenario unprecedented before by anyone. We have opened pandora's box! |
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 13:26:57
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| I'm not a scientist but I know there have been many underwater nuke explosions before. The US knows a lot about blowing nukes underwater. Yes the Russians did is on land, but the concept is to fuse the rocks with the nuke which should work underwater just fine. The problem is a political one, not a technical one. |
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thogey
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 13:41:55
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I posted this on another thread, where I mused about the nuke idea weeks ago. And most members who responded didn't think it was a good idea. The idea is looking a whole lot better now isn't it?
This is a video link with real archived footage of a gas leak the Russians sealed with a nuke.
They didn't do it on land they did it deep underground.
Watch it. It also shown animated schematic drawings.
Check this out. There is a commercial up front but check out how the Russians handled a similar problem.
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cptindy
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 14:20:06
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I can appreciate the US having exploded nuclear devices underwater and having knowledge.
(Although I must laugh at the whole concept of accepting "their military experience" as relevant to this scenario)
What seems to be overlooked is the realm of depth in order to execute. Not simply the depth but the conditions thereof. The idea of fusing rock 30,000 feet below the surface with robots seems difficult. I would hope for more than a "should work just fine mentality" from those looking at a repair. The fact that this is situated under basically a giant water balloon makes the concept that much more unprecedented.
Yes, Russia did this deep underground. But, the maneuvers were directly controlled from land.
I agree that this is an option and honestly the only real option to modern man's capability to potentially stop the situation. I just believe we have not gained proficient knowledge to understand the entire situation. Heck, we have parts of the ocean never seen by a human simply because of the depth. If the cracks extend anywhere beyond the immediate diameter, stuffing an explosive device into this hole and hoping it works is not a decision I would personally make. The geographic nature of this is beyond anyone's 100% conclusion. We are now into a realm of probability percentage period.
Not to mention the point brought up by country that we now have radioactive waters if it works!
At this point it is a "live with it" situation and build something to subdue the flow and capture as much as possible.
Can anyone tell me how much disruption the earths crust can take given the pressure's it currently handles before a major shift would occur in the earths crust?
Does an avalanche not begin by one small movement?
A sheet of tempered glass is extremely strong, unless you simple apply pressure to the edge and the entire sheet crumbles.
Nope, we own it!
It will be with us forever!
Unless of course we use it as an extreme population control and wipe out millions attempting to put a band aid on a gusher. |
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thogey
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 15:00:30
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I think the nuke idea is safer than letting this continue.
There have been hundreds of above and below ground and water tests performed for decades all over the world. All the data has been captured by geologist and physicists.
They do know what the structure of the geology is in the area. It's been learned by drilling this well. The radiation from a small device exploded a mile underwater and additionally deep under the seabed and 20 miles out to sea would be minimal and would be contained. There should be no fallout because the debris would be contained.
Any to escape would dissipate much better than the oil is. A small geographical area would probably have to be off limits.
My only point is that the idea should not be dismissed just because of the nature of this type of atomic reaction.
There are a lot of known quantities in this equation. I hope the alternatives work. But I hate to see this option dismissed due to politics. |
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cptindy
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 15:32:49
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I would hope that no relevant option is left off of the table. I am sure we all agree this is a situation that needs attention by the best available minds to the topic.
I do have difficulty believing we are secure in our understanding of the geology given the circumstance that lead us to this state.
Which to be clear is "not understanding what we were dealing with"
None of the options available are "new to us". It is the circumstance and environment that presents the challenge.
We have been drilling holes in the earth for some time, as well we have been blowing stuff up. Radiation and its ability to "creep" is well known also. Just look at the efforts to contain spent nuclear fuel.
Politics will most certainly take center stage as that is what Politicians do.
All ideas look good on paper, I hope we choose the right one! |
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 18:12:24
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I read an article a week or two ago, I think it was at dailyreckoning.com, but I may be wrong. The author was a former Navy pilot with some knowledge of the capabilities of our anti-submarine, air delivered nuclear depth charges. He made a pretty convincing argument against using a nuke. Mostly based on our not having anything designed to work at those depths (pressures), but he also pointed out the uncertainty of the effect such an explosion would have on the hundreds of other wells in the area.
It would suck beyond belief to nuke one well shut only to have the shockwave in the sea floor cause dozen of others to rupture...
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thogey
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 18:26:01
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Earthquakes happen all the time in around Mexico they release thousands of times more energy than our largest nukes.
The power and energy from hurricanes make nukes look like firecrackers.
The US, China and Russia have set off hundreds nuclear explosions. Some in the range of 50MT.
Much of this was done in a very irresponsible (by today's standards) manner. That's why such saber rattling was stopped.
But even given this, the walls of the planet did not cave in.
A small device could be quickly set up specifically for this project. We're not talking about shooting it with an ALCM from a B-52.
Sometimes you have to break an egg to make an omelete. This leak sould not be allowed to continue. All options should be on the table.
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 19:56:42
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 23:49:37
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| I'm listening to the audio right now.... lots of 'uh's, but I uh guess that is uh to be expected. If I uh want a more trained speaker I uh could go to uh BP upper management. |
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