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IdahoCopper
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 Posted - 05/23/2010 : 12:03:43
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Can anyone suggest the best way to completely seal a monster box to preserve the contents for decades from damp conditions and/or liquid water?
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Kurr
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snappy
Penny Collector Member
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Posted - 05/23/2010 : 12:29:56
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Originally posted by Kurr
6 mill or better visqueen plastic sheet or other heavy plastic bag and a vacuum food sealer?
agree but I would also place some Silica Gel packets or some kind of desiccant product in there. |
Selling Ryedale sorted USA cents
1.5 each + shipping over 500fv 1.5 each +1/2 shipping
If you pick up 1.35 each
located MT/ND boarder.
after Ryedale sorting they are hand sorted to remove canadian then rechecked with Ryedale to insure all copper and count out $50 FV then placed in cloth bags and sealed with #1 copper wire. |
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TXTim
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Nickelless
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smelly
New Member
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 00:07:08
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Try using sealed PVC pipe. That stuff is supposed to be buried, and leak proof. Post hole digger and that should help as well.
Also, do some stuff to ensure the contents don't get all funky from the air and moisture in the pipe from when you sealed it, so sealed in some kind of oil or plastic bag with desiccant a plenty. I wonder what a rust preventative oil would do to coins.
Just make sure to remember where you left them. |
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beauanderos
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wolvesdad
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 02:09:57
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| I would caution against PVC. It will turn your silver black....ie tarnished. |
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IdahoCopper
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 08:00:52
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Thank you for the suggestions. I like the PVC tube idea, but am concerned that the fumes from the glue will affect the contents.
Perhaps, instead of sealing the entire monster box, each 20-coin tube should be vac-sealed, with a silica gel packet, in a food storage bag; then vac-sealed in a second food bag, then rolled up and put in a 1.5" or 2" diameter PVC tube. This method should last for a century or so, if kept out of direct sunlight.
I hitchhiked up and down the east coast of Australia in 1988 for 2 months. One of the rides I got was from 2 young men who were doing an interesting thing. They drove along the main highway in the northern jungle and would choose a mile marker post, then count a few power poles past it. They would stop, mark their map & notes with that location data.
Then on each side of the road, they would take machetes than hack out a small clearing a few yards into the bush. In the clearing they planted their "cash crop" and put a circle of wire fencing around it to keep the wallabys & kangaroos from eating their profits. Then 6 or 8 months later, they planned to return with an enclosed trailer, stopping at all their locations, and collect their harvest.
The method of hiding and locating may be of interest to others here. Of course, that was before hand held GPS. However, there is no guarantee that WTSHTF, the GPS sats will still be working. So this info is valid. |
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AGCoinHunter
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USA
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 08:27:32
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| Definately stay away from PVC. If you have to use it, make sure what ever the silver is in is air tight. PVC can do nasty stuff to silver. |
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IdahoCopper
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 08:34:43
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| I wonder what could be put in the PVC tubes that will absorb the fumes from the drying glue. Perhaps crushed charcoal? Once the glue has completely set, the tarnishing issue disappears, if the trapped fumes can be neutralized. |
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Lemon Thrower
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 08:41:00
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a higher-end way would be to use mylar bags, and maybe drop an oxygen absorber in there. they ship computer parts in mylar bags.
you can buy these at sorbent systems on line. you might find smaller quantities on ebay but check out the selection at sorbent to figure out what you need.
personally i would not be worried about this unless it was buried in the ground. i view these as bullion coins and some toning only makes a future buyer more certain they are real silver. |
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Kurr
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wolvesdad
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 10:07:23
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| Thank you Kurr. I was just about to post that clarification too. |
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highroller4321
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 10:36:30
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PVC stands for polyvinyl chloride. Its the chemicals used to make the pipe that tarnsishes dilver badly.
It really depends what you are trying to do to the monster box.
The boxes have 3 layers of protection already! The moster box itself, the inside container when you open the box. (not sure how to describe) and than the sealed tubes themselves.
I think a simple vacuum sealed bag on the outside should do plenty good. |
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Fatboy
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 10:48:25
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Try one of these:
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I have no affitiation to the broker I listed, it was the first one that came up when I searched "120mm ammo can". If you look, you can still find them for $10-$12 Check out the dimensions, they will easily hold two of the monster boxes (still in all the protective cardboard), some dessicant packs and still have quite a bit of space left over.
Good luck!
ETA If you look around at sites like SurvivalBlog they will tell you how to protect the metal cans if they are truly going to be damp/wet for decades. I hope this helps. |
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AGCoinHunter
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 10:54:33
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| Understand this may just be for storage of bullion but why tarnish it if avoidable. Who knows in the future there maybe a premium on a piece that is not tarnished... And PVC tarnishing isn’t pretty. It leaves a green residue on it. Not attractive what so ever. Being able to preserve them in their original state is what I would want to achieve. |
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Kurr
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Nickelless
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IdahoCopper
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 18:52:23
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Anybody know what kind of plastic the monster box is made of?
Does silicone sealant affect Ag?
Here's an idea, the top half of the box could have an entire large tube of sealant gooped around the inside edge of the top, and part way up the sides. Then slip it over the bottom half, and press it down tight to fully seal the sealant and close the box.
Turn the box over and use a soldering iron to melt the seam completely together. You could get some identical plastic to use as solder, and fill the seam with extra plastic to melt it 100% water tight.
When I was a kid and regularly crashed my U-line model airplanes, I soldered the cracked and broken plastic pieces back together like that. |
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rainsonme
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USA
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 22:21:40
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| I store mine in the card-board half dollar boxes that some banks use for $500 of halfs. They have flaps that make the box close, and when filled to the top with coin, its about as heavy as I want to lug. The cardboard is non-reactive, and it is a desiccant, although it will also wick water if it gets wet. I just put them in a dry place. My personal problem is who am I saving these for? Myself in 10 years, or my wife and kids when I am dead. I fear a lot of this will be taken to a coin shop for a low price, and the rest dumped into coin machines, after which the rest of you can marvel that silver coins are still in circulation. I need to segregate my coins with instructions to wife and kids on what I think they should do with them. Otherwise, they will find my cardboard boxes just a nusiance in getting rid of my personal property. That's a little off topic, but in storage, I need to not only physically perserve the coins, but make it easy for my kids to recognize which have value. Right now, I have too many boxes of pre 1960 nickles, copper pennies, wheat backs, 2009 quarters, etc, etc. I am afraid at my death it will seem to the easiest to just dump it all at the bank. |
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Fatboy
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Posted - 05/26/2010 : 10:32:43
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I am afraid at my death it will seem to the easiest to just dump it all at the bank.
Your fears are most likely the same as realized by most of us. Written instructions should be part of your Estate Plan. Spell out exactly what your benificiaries are supposed to do, even if it is as simple as contacting a trusted friend that would offer proper guidance and help with this part of your estate. There are many places like Coinflation that will discribe the current "worth" based on the metallic composition of the various coins and also the formulas to find the worth based on the then current price of the components when inserted into the equation. Copy them and insert them in your estate plan. When you are in a bad state or beyond, you do not need the stress of knowing that you have not done your absolute best to prepare for the inevitable. One of my favorite quotes: "Failure to plan is a plan to fail". Good luck! |
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Nickelless
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Posted - 05/26/2010 : 15:58:08
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Originally posted by Fatboy
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Originally posted by rainsonme
I am afraid at my death it will seem to the easiest to just dump it all at the bank.
Your fears are most likely the same as realized by most of us. Written instructions should be part of your Estate Plan. Spell out exactly what your benificiaries are supposed to do, even if it is as simple as contacting a trusted friend that would offer proper guidance and help with this part of your estate. There are many places like Coinflation that will discribe the current "worth" based on the metallic composition of the various coins and also the formulas to find the worth based on the then current price of the components when inserted into the equation. Copy them and insert them in your estate plan. When you are in a bad state or beyond, you do not need the stress of knowing that you have not done your absolute best to prepare for the inevitable. One of my favorite quotes: "Failure to plan is a plan to fail". Good luck!
I think I'll write something up and post it as a sticky that people can print out and include with their PM stashes so relatives or whoever acquires it will know the value of their PM or base metals. |
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wolvesdad
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Posted - 05/26/2010 : 22:32:19
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two things...
rainsonme...I'm not sure that cardboard is non-reactive. it may have sulfur or other chemicals that will react with the coins over time. Especially if they ever do get humid/moist/damp.
Estat planing.... telling someone the 'melt value' doesn't help a hill of beans if they cannot for the distraught(you're dead, remember, that does have some effect on them) ....if they cannot, for the distraught life of them, find anyone to pay your supposed melt value. For estate planning and things like 'pre-60' nickels you'll need instructions like: "These pre-60 nickels can be deposited at the bank if you are tight for money, but they are worth more than just face value. Remember I labored many hours to pull these out. Please contace John Smith or another employee at Joe's Coin and Bullion here in town, mention me name and the situation, I trust their dealings. (or ... there is no one anywhere nearby who will give you a fair price for these coins, please go to realcent.forumco.com with my user name: xxxx and passowrd: xxxx and type a message to explain the situation, memberX or memberY should be especially helpful and I'm sure these can be sold on the forum by Buy It Now or Auction.).
Something like this.... no!? |
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wolvesdad
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Posted - 05/26/2010 : 23:04:44
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I started a Topic under Articles/Blogs/Guides for the Estate Planning string.
I didn't write the whole Guide or anything, so some help and fine tuning would be appreciated! |
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rainsonme
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USA
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Posted - 05/27/2010 : 01:17:48
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| Very nice advice, Mr. WolvesDad. I did put one note on some dollar coins from the mint, not to open the rolls. I think I will add similar notes to the top of each box; I have a box for wheats, for pre-60 nickles, 2009 pennies, 2009 quarters, etc. and large bags for the copper pennies. I think I will put a descriptive note on the top of each. I would hope my heirs would hold the 90% silver for as long as they can. I know papers have sulfur that can form a mild acid. I will think about the corregated brown card board boxes. |
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