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uthminsta
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 Posted - 02/12/2010 : 13:25:12
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Could someone please throw some info up here on Canadian small cents? That's a wide open question, and I intend for it to be. What do you think is important? Interesting? Fun?
Well, I know they are 1920-present. They include George V from 1920-36, George VI from 1937-1952, and Elizabeth II from 1953-present. I know some of the George V dates are quite valuable. I know there are several designs for the Elizabeth years. I know there are multiple composition changes. I know there are some years with sides, and others which are round. I know there are several types in recent years.
Maybe I will edit this first thread to incorporate all the pertinent information, as we go along... but for now, what say you?
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Bluegill
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 13:35:04
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You summed it up pretty good, short and sweet. 
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Computer Jones
1000+ Penny Miser Member
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1112 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2010 : 14:02:11
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Check out the Copper Penny Bullion Investing Topic -> Canadian Coins Thread.
I keep all Canuk-A-Cents before 1996. |
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Bluegill
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1964 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2010 : 14:06:39
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To go into a little detail,
1929 had a “normal 9” and a “high 9”.
1947 had the regular issue along with the `48 issues that had the maple leaf. There were 2 varieties for those. The “blunt 7”and the “pointed 7“.
1948 had 3 varieties. The A in gratia pointing to a small denticle. The A pointing to a large denticle. The A pointing in between the large denticles.
1949 had the same A again, pointing to the denticle or between. All denticles were large.
1953 had the “No Shoulder Fold (NSF)” and “Shoulder Fold (SF) varieties.
1954 accidentally had some NSF specimens minted for the proof like sets. Rare.
1955 again accidentally had some NSF specimens minted for circulation strikes. Also rare. In addition, there were small and large denticle varieties with the SF specimens.
1965 had the “Small Beads” and “Large Beads” varieties. In addition, there were “Pointed 5” and “Blunt 5” varieties. Making a total of 4 combinations for the year.
1983 had a “Near Beads” and a “Small Beads.
1985 had a “Blunt 5” and a “Pointed 5”.
2000 thru 2006 came in both Zn and Fe specimens. The Fe specimens had a ”p” composition mark to indicate plated.
2003 also had the “Crowned” and “Uncrowned” varieties, making a total of 4 combination's for that year.
2006 had 4 combination's too. Zn with and without the RCM mint mark. Fe with and without the RCM mint mark. The one without the mint mark had the “p” mark.
Supposedly in 2006, some Fe planchettes accidentally went through the Zn production line. Creating a unmarked Fe specimen. Very rare.
I think that's all of them…
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Junk Woody
Penny Collector Member
Canada
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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 14:59:26
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Thanks Bluegill that's a pretty thorough overview.
I've bookmarked this page. :) |
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uthminsta
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 15:22:36
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Bluegill, thank you for the variety list!
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Originally posted by Computer Jones Check out the Copper Penny Bullion Investing Topic -> Canadian Coins Thread..
Good point, and thank you for the direction. My point was that something like that could be "re-built" here, since this is also an appropriate place for that information.
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uthminsta
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1872 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2010 : 15:42:57
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COMPOSITION and WEIGHT CHANGES:
1920-1941 ... 3.24 grams, 95.5% copper
1942-1979 ... 3.24 grams, 98% copper
1980-1981 ... 2.8 grams, 98% copper
1982-1996 ... 2.5 grams, 98% copper
1997-1998 ... 2.25 grams, copper-plated zinc
1999-2010 ... (2.25 grams zinc) or (2.35 grams steel).
Is this right? |
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psi
Penny Collector Member
Canada
399 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2010 : 21:59:59
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One online source for canadian mintage numbers and variety information is J and M's online catalog: You must be logged in to see this link. Not every variety Bluegill mentioned is there, but there are images of a lot of them.
I was just reading in another forum that most or all circulation 2010 cents so far are zinc. |
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jadedragon
Administrator
Canada
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Posted - 02/13/2010 : 00:10:00
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Adding to uthminsta's list:
COMPOSITION and WEIGHT CHANGES:
1920-1936.....3.24 grams, 95.5% copper (round)
1937-1941 ... 3.24 grams, 95.5% copper (round)
1942-1979 ... 3.24 grams, 98% copper (round) George VI bareheaded
1980-1981 ... 2.8 grams, 98% copper (round but thiner)
1982-1996 ... 2.5 grams, 98% copper (12-sided to lighten coin)
1997-1998 ... 2.25 grams, copper-plated zinc (back to round)
1999-2010 ... (2.25 grams zinc) or (2.35 grams steel). (round)
1920-1936 George V crowned
1937-1952 George VI bareheaded
1953-1964 QEII Laureate Effigy (young queen)
1965-1978 QEII Tiara
1979-1989 Modified Tiara / Smaller portrait)
1990-2002 Diadem (Crown and earrings).
2003-Current Uncrowned Effigy (old queen)
Special Issues and Changes:
1937 Design changed to very similar to modern obverse
1948 legend modified to remove "Emperor of India" (ET IND: IMP)
1964 100 years of Confederation - rock dove
1992 125 Years of Confederation - double dated 1867-1992
2002 Golden Jubilee/50th year of reign- double dated on face side 1952-2002
Knowing this info allows you to sort without ever looking at a date.
1. Kings in one pile
2. Copper Queens: young queens, tiaras/modified tiaras
and all 12 sided pennies (some of the crown earrings coins)
3. Throw them back: All Round with crown and earrings and Old Queens |
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thogey
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1617 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 00:19:43
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psi
Penny Collector Member
Canada
399 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 08:17:26
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| There was a scandal over the young elizabeth design initially because she appeared to be wearing nothing, so the shoulder fold was added to create the appearance of clothing. |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 22:01:47
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Great thread! Thanks to all you folks that provided all the detail here.  |
If your percentages are low.. just sort more. If your percentages are high.. just sort more.
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JobIII
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Posted - 02/15/2010 : 07:47:14
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Could this be made a sticky in the numismatic section? Or at least add the links above to a sticky there? These are really great tips for anyone that may want to look through their canadian small cents for valuable finds.
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uthminsta
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1872 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2010 : 12:25:54
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Deserved bump.
I came back to this thread today because of the varieties listing. My grandpa got about a thousand GV and GVI kings recently. He's divided them all into tubes by date. I bet he hasn't searched them for low 9 and high 9, or "A pointing to denticle" stuff. I know he has 4 rolls worth of 1947 because I sorted the maple leaf and no leaf the last time I visited... but I didn't do anything with the blunt or pointed 7 and stuff... |
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BCNumismatics
Penny Sorter Member
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Posted - 05/02/2010 : 07:44:19
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Charlton's Canadian coin catalogue lists 'Guitar Variety' 1c. coins from the early 1960's,which Krause has never listed at all.
I am not sure if 'Coins of Canada' by James A. Haxby & Robert C. Willey is now listing varieties like these.
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uthminsta
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1872 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2010 : 22:17:25
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1929 had a “normal 9” and a “high 9”.
Does anyone have pictures to show what this means? I have about a half roll to search.
1947 had the regular issue along with the `48 issues that had the maple leaf. There were 2 varieties for those. The “blunt 7”and the “pointed 7“.
So, to be clear, which one has two varieties, the plain or maple leaf type?
1948 had 3 varieties. The A in gratia pointing to a small denticle. The A pointing to a large denticle. The A pointing in between the large denticles.
Are these three all pretty easily found? Or is one considered rare? Oh, and which A in GRATIA are you talking about?
1949 had the same A again, pointing to the denticle or between. All denticles were large.
Same question. Either one more valuable, rare, hard to find?
And are there ANY other varieties in the George VI series?
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Wanderer
New Member
Canada
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Posted - 05/02/2010 : 22:41:53
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1929 - a good diagnostic can be found about midway down the page You must be logged in to see this link.
1947 - plain are all blunt, maple leaf has pointed and blunt versions, diagnostic is You must be logged in to see this link. (#16 - shapes of numbers)
1948 - second A in gratia, I'm not sure about the small denticles, but both of the large denticles are quite common.
1949 - the A pointing to the denticle is much less common.
The Coins and Canada site has a doubled 952 for the 1952 as well.
Hope that helps! |
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uthminsta
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1872 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2010 : 23:11:58
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quote:
Originally posted by Wanderer The Coins and Canada site has a doubled 952 for the 1952 as well. Hope that helps!
Yes, it helps!!! Thank you for such a quick response. And I knew about, but had forgotten, the doubled 952.
Appreciate all the helpful folks around here.
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Bluegill
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Posted - 05/02/2010 : 23:32:38
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The 2010 copy of the Charlton Standard Catalogue of Canadian Coins lists the total number of '48 cents being minted. But it doesn't break the numbers down by variety.
It does however list the "A pointing to a small denticle" as being worth 25¢ in EF-40, while the other 2 varieties are listed at 5¢.
The '49 with the "A pointing to a large denticle" is priced at 60¢ in EF-40, while the small denticle is 5¢.
My book does not mention the doubled 952. Anybody got a link to a pic..?
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uthminsta
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USA
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Posted - 05/03/2010 : 00:04:36
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I guess my point is whether I should be looking for these and EXPECTING to find one (pretty common or reasonably available), or just HOPING (as with the rare stuff). So the 48 and 49 varieties are reasonably priced, meaning they're probably all findable, within a solid date circulated roll? What about the two varieties of the 47 maple leaf?
And with the Elizabeth shoulder fold and no shoulder fold, wouldn't you need basically uncirculated examples to see the fold? Looks like the 1954 applies to prooflike coins only, and the 1955 no folds is pretty rare, so I probably won't be finding them in change. That kind of just leaves the 1953; should I expect to find both of these varieties if I have enough to look through? Everything I've seen or read about the shoulder folds is unclear as to where exactly I'm supposed to look. And all these heavily circulated examples are making me very frustrated. I can't figure it out. |
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Bluegill
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1964 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2010 : 00:26:22
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I have found all 3 varieties of the '47 sorting on this side of the border. I have found both '48 that point to a denticle, and the '49 that points between.
That is just from the 2% or so of Canadian coinage that circulates here in SW MI. You might have decent luck with your solid rolls.
As for the '53, you don't need to see the actual fold. The variety is determined by the "I" in DEI.
If it is flared and points between the denticles, it is a NSF. If the "I" is straight and points at a denticle, it is a SF. I have found both.
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Wanderer
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Canada
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Posted - 05/03/2010 : 07:16:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Bluegill
The '49 with the "A pointing to a large denticle" is priced at 60¢ in EF-40, while the small denticle is 5¢.
I'm thinking the 1949 A to denticles catalogues for more like $50 in EF.
jandm has it at $55 in EF, coinsandcanada has it at $60 in EF, Colonial Acres has a VF+ for $35... |
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Bluegill
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1964 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2010 : 09:00:33
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I put absolutely zero stock into the pricing in any guide book. The disconnect to street price is impressive at times. Merely pointing out that some varieties were priced higher in relationship to others.
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wolvesdad
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Posted - 05/04/2010 : 03:45:34
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from my experience,
it is determined by the market.
Some markets don't care about varieties, so if you even see varieties there, they will be cheap(or extremely overpriced for the uneducated idiots to buy).
And at the right place and the right time, varieties can fetch some pretty impressive prices.
People are always looking for the next big thing, and for some, varieties are it. |
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uthminsta
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1872 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2010 : 16:32:06
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I've been putting all of Sarah's coins into a binder now. Working through all the Canadian cents I've accumulated. Basically I just skip over all the years that have a variety, and keep all specimens from those years, then when I get through all the rest I will come back to those. So now I have a bunch set aside for 1929, 47, 48, 49, 53, 55... and now I'm stumped by the 1965. I have seven to choose from:
I don't see a difference. Is one or the other (blunt 5 and pointed 5) hard to find? |
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