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totalcount
Penny Sorter Member
USA
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 Posted - 01/19/2010 : 21:08:26
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I ran across this penny today and can't figure out if this is a mint error or post-mint mutilation. Hopefully someone here can help.
I got this penny out of a String & Son roll, mix of dates and quality, nothing unusual.
The front of this penny is almost flat, you can make out Lincoln's outline but I can't read the date.
The darker line going horizontally through Lincoln's forehead and the one through his neck appear to be very slightly higher than the rest of the coin.
There is zinc showing through on the left edge of the coin. You can't see it in the pictures, but the rim in this area has been pushed out slightly over the side.
The back is isn't flattened at all, it has lots of detail and very little wear.
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Market Harmony
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1274 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 21:27:23
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This looks like mint error, at first glance. Since it is zinc, I would assume that if it was PMD, then the thin copper coating would have rubbed off to reveal the underlying zinc.
I haven't got a clue how this error could have been made, if it even is an error. |
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wheatcent
Penny Sorter Member
USA
26 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 22:17:37
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I think its a error or something on that level
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copperhead57
Penny Collector Member
USA
255 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 23:58:52
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It looks like it is a brockage error. 
Here is a link to a similar coin that was on eBay.
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Edited by - copperhead57 on 01/20/2010 00:25:07 |
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kirkland
New Member
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 12:35:06
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Strange coin. I would consider either possibilities that could have happened to this coin.
I recently found a 1982 Large Date penny that had an alignment error. |
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bman
Penny Collector Member
USA
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oober
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1304 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 18:57:18
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Originally posted by bman
It looks like it was struck through a capped die.
This... |
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highroller4321
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
2648 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 19:09:17
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| Based on the rim I would say that its post mint. |
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daviscfad
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1664 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 20:47:38
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| maybe its a waffled coin but i would think both sides have to be like the obv. |
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bman
Penny Collector Member
USA
425 Posts |
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totalcount
Penny Sorter Member
USA
77 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 20:13:52
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My first guess was the die cap strike, as many of you have suggested, mainly due to the condition of the reverse. But, all the example pictures I have seen of them have had the rim be consistent all the way around (see the two links people have posted for examples) This rim is nowhere close to even and flattened on the left side.
The consensus so far is 1 person: Post Mint Damage; 4 people: mint error; 3 people could be either. I guess that means there isn't consensus... Maybe this weekend I will have to see if I can replicate it with an undamaged penny. |
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wolvesdad
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
2164 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2010 : 09:44:06
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I don't know, I can't think of anyway you (post mint) could do this without damaging the reverse.
I think it is probably a die cap or brokage strike.
If you see the reverse rim is also larger on the left, I'm guessing it could have to do with the way the stuck cent is stuck in the die...just a little to the right. And this is most likely an early die cap, not a later one. |
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rockdude
Penny Sorter Member
USA
28 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2010 : 11:40:50
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Originally posted by copperhead57
It looks like it is a brockage error.
Here is a link to a similar coin that was on eBay.
You must be logged in to see this link.
I won't rely on e-bay for the correct terminology for errors.
A brockage refers to a type of error coin in which a side of the coin has both the normal image and a mirror image of the opposite side ...
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bman
Penny Collector Member
USA
425 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2010 : 18:14:45
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I will trade you a shiney new penny for it! 
The fact that the rim is wider on one side could be the result of the die cap or it could just be that the blank wasn't centered when it was struck. |
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rockdude
Penny Sorter Member
USA
28 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2010 : 18:51:06
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| The reverse would be called a 'mis-aligned die'. Nothing to get excited about. |
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JobIII
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1507 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2010 : 15:07:24
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| I would bet you any amount of money that it's a 1983 penny. |
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totalcount
Penny Sorter Member
USA
77 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2010 : 20:20:49
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I decided to do a little testing on another penny over the weekend to see if I could replicate part or all of the damage to this penny.
Summary: I was able to flatten the front while leaving the back intact. It however, looked nothing like the original "mint error" penny.
Here are some things to notice on the front:
* The details are significantly flattened
* The word "Trust" is completely gone, no trace of it.
* The deep gouges are from the edge of my hammer.
* not obvious from the picture, but depending on the angle of the light, you can still read the complete date
* The rim is completely flattend
And on the back:
* The black marks were pre-existing
* even fine details like the steps, the Lincoln statue, and the details at the top of the memorial are still visible
* The rim is undamaged
Even with the front being flat and the back not, there were a number of things with the original penny that I couldn't even come close.
* I was unable to break through the copper coating
* I was unable to push the rim over the side of the penny
* The center of the coin was pushed toward the back very slightly, but noticeably. The white area below the memorial is where the flash is reflecting slightly differently because that part of the coin is at a different height
* I am not sure if I could leave part of the front rim but not have the hammer gouges (but perhaps, with practice and finesse it is possible)
Given this, I don't think it is possible to make a coin like the first with commonly available tools, I think it is a mint error not post-mint damage.
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kirkland
New Member
USA
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Posted - 01/25/2010 : 20:29:17
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| Look at that picture. It's from 2000 or some date in the 2000's |
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uthminsta
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
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Posted - 01/25/2010 : 20:30:33
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| Are you considering selling it? Just picking your brain. |
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totalcount
Penny Sorter Member
USA
77 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2010 : 20:35:49
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Originally posted by uthminsta
Are you considering selling it? Just picking your brain.
Selling the one I hit with a hammer? Sure. The original one? no. I just ran across it and wasn't sure if it was even an error. Now I am pretty much convinced it is. |
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bman
Penny Collector Member
USA
425 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 04:53:20
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Originally posted by kirkland
Look at that picture. It's from 2000 or some date in the 2000's
You must be looking at the one Totalcount damaged himself, I can't even begin to get a date off the original coin posted. |
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just carl
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 09:12:39
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I really think it is a Mint error coin. However, they are more common than most think with PENNIES (cents) for the sensitive to terminology. At one coin show there is a dealer that has massive amounts of error coins and mostly all are Pennies. Even the worst ones sell for only about $10. Many, minor ones sell for much less and if you try to sell them to a dealer, naturally you too will get much less.
Still errors like that are a nice item for collecting. |
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Market Harmony
1000+ Penny Miser Member
USA
1274 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2010 : 20:51:29
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I found this image on another forum. This is a great example of brockage:
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totalcount
Penny Sorter Member
USA
77 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2010 : 21:11:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Market Harmony
I found this image on another forum. This is a great example of brockage:
Thanks for posting that. I notice that the front of the penny has a certain amount of wavyness to it, like the one I found. |
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just carl
Penny Hoarding Member
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2010 : 13:04:02
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| With what does look like a possible Mint error, the thing to do is contact You must be logged in to see this link. The guy there should really know since he has written two books on just that coin. |
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kirkland
New Member
USA
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Posted - 02/18/2010 : 13:13:22
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| I know that, bman. I was referring to the second picture. Can't you see 2000? |
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