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highroller4321
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 Posted - 09/18/2009 : 17:03:38
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Sept. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Private investors in China, the world’s largest metals user, have stockpiled “substantial” quantities of copper as the government ramps up stimulus spending to spur the economy, according to Sucden Financial Ltd.
Pig farmers and other speculators may have amassed more than 50,000 metric tons, Jeremy Goldwyn, who oversees business development in Asia for London-based Sucden, wrote in an e- mailed report after a visit to China. That’s about half the level of inventories tallied by the Shanghai Futures Exchange, which stood last week at a two-year high of 97,396 tons.
Sucden’s estimate underscores the difficulty analysts face in gauging metals demand in China amid increased speculation by retail investors, whose holdings remain outside the reporting framework undertaken by exchanges. Private investors in China also had as much as 20,000 tons of nickel, Goldwyn wrote.
“People who have nothing at all to do with the copper trade have been buying copper as a store of value, much like they would with gold,” said Jiang Mingjun, an analyst at Shanghai Oriental Futures Co.
Copper on the London Metal Exchange has more than doubled this year as China’s 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) stimulus plan and record $1.1 trillion of lending in the first half spurred purchases of the metal used in construction and autos. The metal traded today at $6,470 a ton, which would value a holding of 50,000 tons at $324 million.
‘Private Stockpiles’
“Private stockpiles, built by many including the much- vaunted, pig-farming speculators, have clearly absorbed substantial quantities of metal,” Sucden’s Goldwyn said. “Much of this metal will remain out of the normal market place.”
Scotia Capital Inc. analyst Liu Na highlighted the role of Chinese pig farmers and other private speculators in the metals markets in an Aug. 17 note that cited reports from state-owned China Central Television. These speculators may become “quick sellers” if sentiment turned, Liu said in that note.
To be sure, Sucden’s Goldwyn wrote that the stockpiles of copper and nickel held by farmers and others in China may “not be ‘dumped’ back in the foreseeable future as some have recently suggested, wherever prices go.” Goldwyn didn’t give a reason.
The metals holdings by pig-farmer investors and other private speculators give “the impression that there is strong demand in China,” said Jiang at Shanghai Oriental. “But it is actually those who take a pessimistic view of the economy and are looking to preserve their wealth who are buying.”
Rising Imports
China’s imports of refined copper rose to a record 2.1 million tons in the first seven months, driven by purchases by the State Reserve Bureau and other consumers, and shortages of scrap. The State Reserve Bureau had contracted to take 300,000 to 400,000 tons of refined copper into its stockpiles from overseas this year, according to Macquarie Group Ltd.
“Restocking continues, though it seems to have moved further downstream, including manufacturers building end-product stocks,” Goldwyn wrote. In some industries, such as the makers of copper tubes for air-conditioners “demand is back to pre- crash levels stimulated by government incentives, and will show significant year-on-year gains in the coming weeks and months.”
To contact the reporter on this story: Glenys Sim in Singapore at gsim4@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: September 17,
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twocents
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Posted - 09/18/2009 : 17:23:26
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| Nice article, highroller. Thanks for the good read. |
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dakota1955
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Posted - 09/18/2009 : 17:51:18
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| Same thing we are doing but we are doing it one copper cent at a time. |
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Ardent Listener
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Posted - 09/18/2009 : 20:01:04
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Originally posted by dakota1955
Same thing we are doing but we are doing it one copper cent at a time.
No, not the same thing. We are buying our copper and or cupronickel at a heck of a discount thanks to our uncle Sam. 
Great article! |
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HoardCopperByTheTon
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Posted - 09/19/2009 : 02:53:47
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Dem pig farmers is raht smart.  |
If your percentages are low.. just sort more. If your percentages are high.. just sort more.
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Computer Jones
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Posted - 09/19/2009 : 23:01:22
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I kind of like the whole thing as my very own personal subsidy authorized by the U$ Congre$$ to insure that I'm able to actually afford to grow old in the U$ofA.
PS - It ain't all that easy to make a profit raising pigs as your sole endeavor.
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There's profit if you melt things!!
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Computer Jones
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Posted - 09/19/2009 : 23:13:45
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I like to think of it as Congre$$ instituting a special subsidy just for me so I'm able to grow old and purchase the necessities I require to exist.
PS - Raising pigs as your sole endeavor is not the easiest way to survive! |
There's profit if you melt things!!
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