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Bluegill
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orionstarman
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 Posted - 07/27/2009 : 21:38:20
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| The problem is that most people have been brought up to believe that the COPs are the good guys and we want them to be the good guys. That being said I think the COP was wrong. Once he had determined that the professor was trying to get into his own home the COP should have backed off. I know the professor was being loud and abusive but, when we give people a badge and a gun and the power to arrest I want them to have a higher tolerance for that sort of thing. As long the professor did not become violent or threaten violence the COP should have backed off. |
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.--Benjamin Franklin
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 07/27/2009 : 21:53:25
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If Gates was a white guy, and not a black Communist "Professor" at Harvard, this would not have made any news whatsoever...
The officer acted appropriately. Gates is a race baiting Jackass who is PERPETUALLY looking to for a reason to cry racism. I hope he gets a home invasion by a half dozen homeboys, and the cops don't respond for fear of him suing them for "profiling".
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"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." Thomas Jefferson
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NotABigDeal
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Posted - 07/28/2009 : 06:23:34
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Originally posted by Delawhere Jack
If Gates was a white guy, and not a black Communist "Professor" at Harvard, this would not have made any news whatsoever...
The officer acted appropriately. Gates is a race baiting Jackass who is PERPETUALLY looking to for a reason to cry racism. I hope he gets a home invasion by a half dozen homeboys, and the cops don't respond for fear of him suing them for "profiling".
Correct. I'm one to stand my ground, but if showing an ID with my address sends the cop on his way, so be it. Now it's a race issue, with an irresponsible comment by the president to boot.
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orionstarman
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Posted - 07/28/2009 : 19:57:35
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Originally posted by Delawhere Jack
Gates is a race baiting Jackass who is PERPETUALLY looking to for a reason to cry racism. I hope he gets a home invasion by a half dozen homeboys, and the cops don't respond for fear of him suing them for "profiling".
I had never heard of Gates before the President "stupidly" decided to make an issue of his arrest. What little I know of him is what has been on the Ron Smith radio talk show out of Baltimore. Ron is a conservative talk show host by the way.
I believe every thing you say about Gates. I believe he was loud, abusive, arrogant and racebaiting. In other words he's a fxxxxxg jerk. I believe all those things but, as far as I know none of that is against the law. Especially in his own home.
If the Sgt.Crowley and Gates had met in a bar and Gates acted the way he did than maybe Crowley would have had every right to punch him in the nose, maybe. But, in my opinion on duty police officers should have thicker skin.
This is what I have been able to piece together from third and forth hand information. Sgt. Crowley answers a 911 call about a possible break-in. He confronts Gates and begins to question him. Gates, being an arrogant hothead, takes umbrage to the fact that his social, economic and intellectual inferior has the gall to question him in his own home, and he's a white guy to boot. Gates, instead of calmly answering Sgt Crowley questions and clearing up the matter quickly and quietly, becomes loud and abusive. (not sure of the order) Sgt Crowley determines that Gates is indeed in his own home. Sgt Crowley allows Gates, who is still being arrogant and abusive, to get the better of his self control and arrests him for dis-orderly conduct, or something like that. The charges were later thrown out.
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks this way but, a man should not be arrested for trying to get into his own home, even if he is an arrogant loudmouth racist jerk. |
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.--Benjamin Franklin
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Delawhere Jack
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Posted - 07/29/2009 : 18:25:53
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Originally posted by orionstarmanMaybe I'm the only one that thinks this way but, a man should not be arrested for trying to get into his own home, even if he is an arrogant loudmouth racist jerk.
He was arrested for disorderly conduct, after officer Crowley was satisfied that no break-in had occurred, and was leaving the premises.
Another point to keep in mind. Police are obliged to check out the premises in this sort of situation. Suppose that Mr Gates' wife was being held at knife or gun point in an upstairs bedroom, and Gates was told "get rid of the cops or she dies".....
When police are put in lose-lose situations, as they have been increasingly for the past two decades, they become less and less effective, to the detriment of public safetly.
Hence, I restate my HOPE that Mr Gates experiences a home invasion, and no police respond.
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orionstarman
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Posted - 07/29/2009 : 20:00:35
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Originally posted by Delawhere Jack
He was arrested for disorderly conduct, after officer Crowley was satisfied that no break-in had occurred, and was leaving the premises.
Well, if indeed he had left than Gates would have had no one to yell at would he. Gate's should have kept his mouth shut. He should have cooperated with Sgt. Crowley and the whole thing would have been over and done with in a few min. But he said something that struck a nerve with Sgt Crowley and got himself arrested. In my opinion he should not have been arrested. Gates said something that made Sgt Crowley mad and got himself arrested on a bogus disorderly conduct charge which, was later thrown out.
In my "perfect world" Sgt Crowley would have been a bigger man and just walked away (and Ron Paul would be president). Then, Gates would have been left standing on his front porch with no one to yell at and nobody would be talking about this situation today.
I just keep coming back to the same thing, Gates was in his own home and Sgt Crowley knew it. That, should have been the end of it. |
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.--Benjamin Franklin
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giddyup99
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Posted - 07/29/2009 : 21:00:21
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I think when Crowley was leaving and Gates proceeded to follow him outside and continue to bark at him that is when/why he was arrested. Gates is a racist, plain and simple. Any normal person would have thanked the officer for showing up, the neighbor for the concern and all would have gone their separate ways. Not so for this Gates character. This guy is TEACHING students!
They charge was not bogus and not "thrown" out as has been described here. It may have been a weak case or one not worth pursuing. The department decided not to proceed with the charges. I don't believe the prosecutor even got a look at this case. I would surmise that most of these Disorderly Conduct cases get plead out to nothing, or most are tacked on to other offenses the criminal committed. I doubt any court/attorney/department spend much time pursuing prosecution on a singular DC charge. DC is a broad brush, many other crimes are pleaded down to DC and never see their court dates. I used to work retail security - I caught many shoplifters who plead guilty to the lesser offense of DC. |
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theo
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Posted - 07/29/2009 : 22:06:03
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| Whenever an African-American is accused of racism, the standard retort is always that African-Americans can't be racist since they are not part of the power structure. But lets re-examine the power structure. Crowley is a Caucasian police Sgt while Gates, the African-American, is a tenured Harvard professor. Sgt. Crowley's superior on the police force is an African American, as is the Mayor of his town, the Governor of his state and the President of his country. Yet Gates and his ilk continue to deny that America is the land of opportunity. . . very sad. |
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Bluegill
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Posted - 07/30/2009 : 17:35:30
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There are two issues here.
1, Yes, Gates is a race baiting scum. Plain and simple. Obama is an a$$ hole. Plain and simple. The ONLY reason Obama said the complete asinine statement he did, was because Gates was one of his buddies (you really can tell the character of a person by the company they keep...).
If anything, Gates was given the kid glove treatment. Any body else would have been body slammed to the ground, tasered, pepper sprayed, and then kicked in the head while rolling on the ground. It doesn't matter if you're black or white.
Not that I’m defending his arrest, it was wrong, plain and simple.
Where was a$$ hole Obama when the black ambulance driver was put in a choke hold? Where was he when that football player got harassed when his mother was dying (also black)? Where was he when all the other high profile abuse cases have taken place?
2, There was a time not that long ago when a police officers peace could not be disturbed. No grey area. You could yell at him, call him names, make racial comments, insult his mother, didn't matter. A police officers peace could not be disturbed.
As long as you didn't threaten him or assault him, a police officers peace could not be disturbed.
The only way they could legally arrest you for disorderly conduct is to get a witness to sign an affidavit that they were offended by the foul language (if there was any), or you disturbed their peace. Of course if you got physical or threatening, you were getting arrested.
I know this for a fact. In several of my Criminal Justice courses in college, several of my teachers were cops. They instructed for a fact, “A Police Officers Peace Can Not Be Disturbed”. One was a lieutenant for the Livonia, MI P.D. The other was the head of the forensic lab for the M.S.P in Northville MI. Another was a Sergeant for the Farmington Hills, MI P.D. This was a common fact.
That is also how I was able to be arrested for disorderly conduct when I was 20. Long story short, I had a bad cop give me a hard time. I wasn't in the mood and told him how I felt. It wasn't until he was able to get that affidavit from a witness who heard my foul language that he was able to arrest me.
Back then Judges had honor and didn't side with the pigs in blue sight unseen. After explaining what transpired, the judge threw the case out, even though I was technically guilty of disorderly conduct.
He didn't say in so many words, but he implied my behavior though not the most mature, was understandable given the circumstances and that the cop was out of line by creating the situation in the first place.
Back then, to be charged with disorderly conduct, the police better have had a damn good reason to make an arrest, and be able to prove that it was absolutely justified.
Now days any and everything can be disorderly conduct, and the kangaroo courts don't want to be bothered with facts. The cop is always right.
Use the wrong tone, look at a cop wrong, disagree with him about anything, wear the wrong color shirt. It can be disorderly conduct and an arrest will take place.
I don't care if most cases eventually get thrown out. You still get to spend time in jail, you have to make bail, you have to pay court costs, it's now on your record. That just ain't fu@&%*# right. The cops use this as street justice to punish one for not respecting their authority. This is a very slippery slope. This trend needs to be reversed.
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redneck
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